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1Oh boy, here we go... Empty Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 7:08 am

Deus X

Deus X

MSNBC Yet Again Broadcasts Blatant Lies, This Time About Bernie Sanders’ Opening Speech, and Refuses to Correct Them

MSNBC IS A DISHONEST POLITICAL OPERATION, not a news outlet. It systematically and deliberately refuses to adopt a defining attribute of a news outlet: a willingness to acknowledge factual errors, correct them, and apologize. That they not only allow their lies to stand uncorrected but reward their employees who do it most frequently – especially when those lies are directed at adversaries of the Democratic Party – proves that they are, first and foremost, a political arm of the Democratic establishment.

https://theintercept.com/2019/03/03/msnbc-yet-again-broadcasts-blatant-lies-this-time-about-bernie-sanders-opening-speech-and-refuses-to-correct-them/


Before the steam starts coming out your ears, read the whole article. It's by Glenn Greenwald, a serious journalist with a cartload of awards. He makes a damn good point.

2Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 10:32 am

zsomething



It's early yet and I think I've already maxxed out my "fuck Bernie" meter. His cultists have already started back up full bore and now I fucking hate that one-note snake-oil-selling bastard even more than I did last time. Just fucking HATE him. I'll still vote for him if he's the nominee, because anything's better than Trump, but I think he'd be a disaster as president. We've already got one too-old babbling, divisive, narcissist cult leader with bad hair and a fragile temper who says the same five boring things over and over, won't show his taxes, thinks Russia's great, panders to gun lobbyists, and makes promises he has no clue how to make good on. "A million people will march and demand it" is really no more of a realistic "plan" than "Mexico will pay for it." If we nominate that piece of shit, we're getting four more years of Trump, guaran-goddamned-teed, because Bernie's cult loves him but the rest of the country does not. And if we don't, we'll get a guy who'll disillusion a generation of Democrats when they don't get one thing they were promised, plus a fucked economy on top of it, because Bernie understands about as much about economics as my cat does about cold fusion.

I dunno how I'm gonna get through this primary unless that jackass washes out early. I'm already getting an ulcer, hearing his fucking cultists "burst into tears and weep with joy" every time he breaks wind. It's goddamned creepy. I was hoping he wouldn't run at all (he'll be eighty!), but with his ego, there's no way he wouldn't. Like I said, I'll vote for him if I had to, but I'd rather our nominee be any of the other candidates. Or even a stapler or, I dunno, a ladder, anything. I don't think I'm gonna be able to stand it if, instead of President Person-I-Hate-The Most, we get President Person-I-Hate-Second-Most. Arrrgggh!

3Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 10:52 am

Deus X

Deus X

C'mon, Z, don't hold back, tell us how you REALLY feel.



Lemme just put this here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism/471630/


And, by the way, I feel pretty much the same way about Hillary.

He doesn't have a chance of getting the nomination but he is going to move the dialogue in the right direction.

4Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 11:51 am

zsomething



Deus X wrote:C'mon, Z, don't hold back, tell us how you REALLY feel.



Lemme just put this here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism/471630/


And, by the way, I feel pretty much the same way about Hillary.

He doesn't have a chance of getting the nomination but he is going to move the dialogue in the right direction.

I hope he doesn't have a chance of getting the nomination, but his friggin' cult is working overtime at it. And I don't mind his basic ideas much -- they're good -- if someone has a realistic, workable plan to actually implement them without completely destroying the economy. And I think almost every other candidate has the same goals, but with more workable ideas. I'm not against his ideas so much as I'm just against him. I don't think he actually knows anything... but, for some reason, people are just Moonies about the guy. It's freakin' creepy. I've seen people who claim they might kill themselves if it's not the president, because he embodies all their hope. Ain't healthy...

5Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 11:53 am

Telstar

Telstar

zsomething wrote:It's early yet and I think I've already maxxed out my "fuck Bernie" meter.  His cultists have already started back up full bore and now I fucking hate that one-note snake-oil-selling bastard even more than I did last time.   Just fucking HATE him.   I'll still vote for him if he's the nominee, because anything's better than Trump, but I think he'd be a disaster as president.   We've already got one too-old babbling, divisive, narcissist cult leader with bad hair and a fragile temper who says the same five boring things over and over, won't show his taxes, thinks Russia's great, panders to gun lobbyists, and makes promises he has no clue how to make good on.   "A million people will march and demand it" is really no more of a realistic "plan" than "Mexico will pay for it."   If we nominate that piece of shit, we're getting four more years of Trump, guaran-goddamned-teed, because Bernie's cult loves him but the rest of the country does not.   And if we don't, we'll get a guy who'll disillusion a generation of Democrats when they don't get one thing they were promised, plus a fucked economy on top of it, because Bernie understands about as much about economics as my cat does about cold fusion.

I dunno how I'm gonna get through this primary unless that jackass washes out early.  I'm already getting an ulcer, hearing his fucking cultists "burst into tears and weep with joy" every time he breaks wind.  It's goddamned creepy. I was hoping he wouldn't run at all (he'll be eighty!), but with his ego, there's no way he wouldn't.   Like I said, I'll vote for him if I had to, but I'd rather our nominee be any of the other candidates.  Or even a stapler or, I dunno, a ladder, anything.  I don't think I'm gonna be able to stand it if, instead of President Person-I-Hate-The Most, we get President Person-I-Hate-Second-Most.  Arrrgggh!  





Oh boy, here we go... 58336e32

6Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 11:58 am

Telstar

Telstar

zsomething wrote:
Deus X wrote:C'mon, Z, don't hold back, tell us how you REALLY feel.



Lemme just put this here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism/471630/


And, by the way, I feel pretty much the same way about Hillary.

He doesn't have a chance of getting the nomination but he is going to move the dialogue in the right direction.

I hope he doesn't have a chance of getting the nomination, but his friggin' cult is working overtime at it.   And I don't mind his basic ideas much -- they're good -- if someone has a realistic, workable plan to actually implement them without completely destroying the economy.  And I think almost every other candidate has the same goals, but with more workable ideas.  I'm not against his ideas so much as I'm just against him.   I don't think he actually knows anything... but, for some reason, people are just Moonies about the guy.  It's freakin' creepy.  I've seen people who claim they might kill themselves if it's not the president, because he embodies all their hope.  Ain't healthy...





Wouldn't it be better if his cult just did what Bernie would do, a spoonful of Geritol would help.

7Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 12:19 pm

Deus X

Deus X

zsomething wrote: And I don't mind his basic ideas much -- they're good -- if someone has a realistic, workable plan to actually implement them without completely destroying the economy.  

Oh, this is just fuckin' dumb! Do you think FDR had a "realistic, workable plan" to implement the New Deal? NO!

He just knew what needed to get done is all. We wouldn't have Social Security or Unemployment insurance or the FDIC or any of the other reforms and social programs he implemented if he'd of had to articulate a "workable plan" in '32.

And he kept getting re-elected because he tried a bunch of shit and finally made some of it work despite strident Republican opposition. He set out goals and then filled his administration with like-minded people, all working towards the same social justice end. A lot of his stuff failed but enough of it worked that today we have a better, more equitable society.

Somebody needs to articulate a REAL Democratic vision to move the party away from the Clinton Crime Family's Republican-Lite bullshit. Bernie's not going to get the nomination and couldn't get elected if he did but at least he's talking the right talk.

8Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 12:56 pm

bigdog



The old man is as responsible for the Trump presidency as the Russians and the racists are. He needs to get his wrinkled butt out of politics.

We have to do exactly what Elijah Cummings said on Wednesday-get back to normal.
I can see that happening with either Joe Biden or Corey Booker, but nobody else.
Insanity rules on the far edges of both sides of the political spectrum.

9Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 1:04 pm

Deus X

Deus X

bigdog wrote:The old man is as responsible for the Trump presidency

Hillary Clinton is responsible for the Trump presidency. Remember:

SHE LOST TO DONALD TRUMP!!!

10Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 1:15 pm

zsomething



Deus X wrote:

Oh, this is just fuckin' dumb! Do you think FDR had a "realistic, workable plan" to implement the New Deal? NO!

He had a hell of a lot more of a workable plan than "millions of young people will march on Washington and demand it."   That's not a plan, that's a bullshit hippie wish.  It's right up there with "we'll chant until we levitate the capitol."  It's hogwash.

He just knew what needed to get done is all. We wouldn't have Social Security or Unemployment insurance or the FDIC or any of the other reforms and social programs he implemented if he'd of had to articulate a "workable plan" in '32.

And he kept getting re-elected because he tried a bunch of shit and finally made some of it work despite strident Republican opposition. He set out goals and then filled his administration with like-minded people, all working towards the same social justice end. A lot of his stuff failed but enough of it worked that today we have a better, more equitable society.

He had more plans than fucking Bernie.  Anybody has more plans than that Castro-cocksucker.  Every time Bernie talks all I hear is a stoner friend of mine rattling on about his plans for starting a new business, which he assures me can't miss because he'll have pinball machines there and the kids, they love pinball.  It's a load of silly crap, and it'll disillusion kids fast when they go all-in for Bernie and he doesn't deliver jack squat.   Bernie is 100% personality cult.


Somebody needs to articulate a REAL Democratic vision to move the party away from the Clinton Crime Family's Republican-Lite bullshit. Bernie's not going to get the nomination and couldn't get elected if he did but at least he's talking the right talk.

That's the problem, right there.  He might get the nomination if enough squishy-minded idiots who think "he doesn't need a real plan, just the right talk" (and infer whatever you like from that Wink ) rah-rah his ass to the nomination.  And then, yeah, he won't get elected, because he is un-fucking-electable, no matter how much the people who do like him get weepy at the thought of him charming the little birdies or whatever.   The dude's 80, he's a socialist to the point of having film on him praising Castro and Communists in Russia, he's an atheist (which is great by me, but I know what country I'm living in and we're right below "socialist" on the scale of things-people-won't-elect  ( https://news.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx  ).  Now, I know and you know that "socialism" of the type a few Democrats are pushing for is far removed from real hardcore socialism, but the American public are, for the most part, an easily-spooked herd of idiots, and they're gonna believe it's the worst thing ever and won't be pried away from that.

Bernie is already doing what he did last time -- giving Republicans their perfect Commie-lite boogieman, while dividing the Democrats and firing up his cultists where they're not going to settle for any other candidate except their stupid fucking messy-haired finger-wagging I-know-how-to-say-three-things-over-and-over "messiah."    If he'd stayed his goddamned one-note ass out of it, we'd have stood a much better chance... but the vain sonofabitch has never mattered in his life until last year, where people made the mistake of giving him attention.  Now he's going to fracture a party -- again -- that he'll never even claim to be part of until it serves his purposes to do so.  

Honestly, if he won't bow out on his own, then I hope he has a fucking stroke, because that's about the only way he's not going to fuck this up again.  He got us Trump once already (and yes he fucking did, because without his whiny-bitch-ass letting his cult think he got "cheated" by not earning as many votes, more people would have showed up to vote for Clinton -- without Bernie we would have coasted in easy) and now he's well on his way to handing the bastard a second term.   He's doing nobody any favors except Trump.  

Anyway, yeah, keep trying to sell me that rattling asshole.  I just hate him more every time I gotta discuss him with one of his apologists.

11Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 1:44 pm

Deus X

Deus X

Allow me to point out that Hillary WON the popular vote, she just mishandled the Electoral College count so badly that she lost the election.

She didn't lose because Bernie ran, she lost because, despite a lifetime in national electoral politics, she fucked up.

Plus, she was such a terrible candidate that millions of Obama/Obama voters chose Trump over her. She had all the charisma of Gila monster and was unable to relate to the great mass of blue-collar workers she needed to win and they knew it.

She couldn't master the one skill needed to win a national election: the ability to fake sincerity.

You can't possibly believe the horseshit you're putting down, you're just trying to get me wound up!

Om-m-m, om-m-m...  in with the good air, out with the bad thoughts. Jesus Christ! Where's my goddamn Xanax?

12Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 2:08 pm

zsomething



Deus X wrote:
You can't possibly believe the horseshit you're putting down, you're just trying to get me wound up!

I absolutely believe what I'm saying, because it's the truth.

The electoral college was exactly the problem. The spread over three swing states that Trump won was a combined total of less people than attend any single Lollapalooza show. Like 80,000 people, spread over three states.

Those were pouting Bernie cultists who decided "Hillary's got this in the bag, I can afford to bask in my own stinky 'purity' and not vote for her and either stay home or write in that old finger-waggin' rattletrap's name instead, or vote Jill Stein, just to show Hillary I'm mad at her for not being nicer to dear sweet Berrrrrrnieeeeeee."

Without Bernie dragging things out and trying to paint Hillary of "robbing" him of something and splitting the Dems just enough to let Trump squeak through, we absolutely would have avoided Trump, even with Hillary's admitted flaws. Bernie creates a cult following of idealistic but not terribly-bright or realistic people, and with a cult following comes blind loyalty... and with blind loyalty comes the inability to adjust when one doesn't get their first choice. I watched that shit happen in real-time in microcosms on political boards on the internet. "Bernie's not the nominee? Fuck you, Daily Kos, I'm joining Caucus99 and we'll vote for Jill Stein and that'll teach you to be nicer to us!" And they left in tears because that's pretty much the way they do everything. Weepy bunch, the Berniebots.

Nope, that shit is entirely on fucking goddamned Bernie Sanders and his pitiful ego.

And he's already doing the same shit again. I'm hearing the exact same lame-ass crap, past its sell-by date but pulled out of the freezer and heated up anyway. He's gonna lose it for us again. And people will be in denial about it all over again, and they'll swear to try again when he's 84.

If that winds you up then it winds you up, but Trump is in the White House mostly because of Bernie goddamned Sanders. And he'll be there for four more years because of him, too, unless there's divine intervention to render him ineligible in a way that his cultists can't blame anyone else for.

13Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 2:58 pm

Deus X

Deus X

Oh, please.


How Clinton lost Michigan — and blew the election

Everybody could see Hillary Clinton was cooked in Iowa. So when, a week-and-a-half out, the Service Employees International Union started hearing anxiety out of Michigan, union officials decided to reroute their volunteers, giving a desperate team on the ground around Detroit some hope.

They started prepping meals and organizing hotel rooms.

SEIU — which had wanted to go to Michigan from the beginning, but been ordered not to — dialed Clinton’s top campaign aides to tell them about the new plan. According to several people familiar with the call, Brooklyn was furious.

Turn that bus around, the Clinton team ordered SEIU. Those volunteers needed to stay in Iowa to fool Donald Trump into competing there, not drive to Michigan, where the Democrat’s models projected a 5-point win through the morning of Election Day.

Michigan organizers were shocked. It was the latest case of Brooklyn ignoring on-the-ground intel and pleas for help in a race that they felt slipping away at the end.

“They believed they were more experienced, which they were. They believed they were smarter, which they weren’t,” said Donnie Fowler, who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee during the final months of the campaign. “They believed they had better information, which they didn’t.”

Flip Michigan and leave the rest of the map, and Trump is still president-elect. But to people who worked in that state and others, how Clinton won the popular vote by 2.8 million votes and lost by 100,000 in states that could have made her president has everything to do with what happened in Michigan. Trump won the state despite getting 30,000 fewer votes than George W. Bush did when he lost it in 2004.

Politico spoke to a dozen officials working on or with Clinton’s Michigan campaign, and more than a dozen scattered among other battleground states, her Brooklyn headquarters and in Washington who describe an ongoing fight about campaign tactics, an inability to get top leadership to change course

Clinton never even stopped by a United Auto Workers union hall in Michigan, though a person involved with the campaign noted bitterly that the UAW flaked on GOTV commitments in the final days, and that AFSCME never even made any, despite months of appeals.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michigan-hillary-clinton-trump-232547


Hillary lost because her campaign fucked up, not because finger-waggin' Bernie voters didn't vote. Internet microcosms are not on-the-ground reality.

Here's another--one of about 10,00--article about the election, none of which blame Bernie voters:

http://time.com/4565978/how-hillary-clinton-lost/

Blaming Bernie voter is a reductio ad absurdum. Internet forums are a pitifully small sample to explain anything as vast as a national presidential campaign.

14Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/4/2019, 5:19 pm

bigdog



Deus X wrote:
bigdog wrote:The old man is as responsible for the Trump presidency

Hillary Clinton is responsible for the Trump presidency. Remember:

SHE LOST TO DONALD TRUMP!!!
I agree that the electoral college is responsible for the Trump presidency. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by over 3 million votes.
She was 3 million votes MORE popular than the Donald, no matter how many of you Clinton haters are still popping up from the sewers today.
But Bernie Sanders and the Russians helped you out with your hate so you could help Donald through the electoral college.
And I could post a lot of articles explaining how Jill Stein and Bernie and the far leftists cost Hillary the election, but all Clinton haters can believe is that everybody else hates her as much as they do.
And it ain't true. It's just Clinton-Hate Syndrome, also known as brain rot disease. Sadly, incurable.

15Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/8/2019, 5:41 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


This thread sucks. Come on, could we all get on the same page? Because if we're a representative sample, all this negativity will cancel out any positive gains. We need optimism, as hard as it is to come by in this sleazy atmosphere. There are many good Democrats running. The two front runners are Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. I happen to admire Sen. Sanders and voted for him in the primary. He switched to campaigning for Hillary, and I voted for her. I went to sleep before the final was announced, and I firmly believed she had won...and she did. I think the Bernie Bros. were largely a fabrication, and he had my support and admiration long before he announced his candidacy. His filibuster in 2010 really caught my attention, so much that I read the entire thing in book form. Repetitive, of course, but his message is consistent.

Read this interview with Cornell West:

Cornel West: Bernie Stands Shoulders Above Any of the Other Candidates Running in the Democratic Primary

By Mehdi Hasan, The Intercept

07 March 19

https://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/55361-focus-cornel-west-bernie-stands-shoulders-above-any-of-the-other-candidates-running-in-the-democratic-primary

*********

And, yes, there will be a test. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

16Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/9/2019, 2:34 am

RealLindaL



FT, I understand the need and desire for party unity, but it's just reality that such unity is a ways away yet, if it ever comes in this election, other than perhaps the united desire to send Trump to the trash heap of history.

I'm sorry to say I, too, think Bernie Sanders is just too far left and way off the wall, and will be damaging again. We desperately need someone who can woo independents (like myself), and especially Republicans who are on the fence thanks to Trump and would consider a Democrat they could half way relate to. That's NOT Bernie Sanders.

If the nation as a whole is anything like this household in the microcosm, there's a strong yearning for a return to some semblance of normality and ethical custom -- with quiet strength, even-handedness, wisdom, and reasonable, centrist leadership in the White House.

Sanders doesn't fit the bill at all, nor do any of the farthest left progressives who've announced so far. I don't know who does or will fit the bill, if anyone, but it most definitely is not Bernie. It just isn't.

For all our sakes I hope to hell he doesn't win the nomination.

17Oh boy, here we go... Empty Re: Oh boy, here we go... 3/9/2019, 4:02 am

Telstar

Telstar

RealLindaL wrote:FT, I understand the need and desire for party unity, but it's just reality that such unity is a ways away yet, if it ever comes in this election, other than perhaps the united desire to send Trump to the trash heap of history.  

I'm sorry to say I, too, think Bernie Sanders is just too far left and way off the wall, and will be damaging again.  We desperately need someone who can woo independents (like myself), and especially Republicans who are on the fence thanks to Trump and would consider a Democrat they could half way relate to.  That's NOT Bernie Sanders.

If the nation as a whole is anything like this household in the microcosm, there's a strong yearning for a return to some semblance of normality and ethical custom -- with quiet strength, even-handedness, wisdom, and reasonable, centrist leadership in the White House.  

Sanders doesn't fit the bill at all, nor do any of the farthest left progressives who've announced so far.   I don't know who does or will fit the bill, if anyone, but it most definitely is not Bernie.  It just isn't.

For all our sakes I hope to hell he doesn't win the nomination.





Here's the Olden Boy himself dumping a brand new Berniebot in his pants.



Oh boy, here we go... Oldfin10

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan

RealLindaL wrote:FT, I understand the need and desire for party unity, but it's just reality that such unity is a ways away yet, if it ever comes in this election, other than perhaps the united desire to send Trump to the trash heap of history.  

I'm sorry to say I, too, think Bernie Sanders is just too far left and way off the wall, and will be damaging again.  We desperately need someone who can woo independents (like myself), and especially Republicans who are on the fence thanks to Trump and would consider a Democrat they could half way relate to.  That's NOT Bernie Sanders.

If the nation as a whole is anything like this household in the microcosm, there's a strong yearning for a return to some semblance of normality and ethical custom -- with quiet strength, even-handedness, wisdom, and reasonable, centrist leadership in the White House.  

Sanders doesn't fit the bill at all, nor do any of the farthest left progressives who've announced so far.   I don't know who does or will fit the bill, if anyone, but it most definitely is not Bernie.  It just isn't.

For all our sakes I hope to hell he doesn't win the nomination.

Linda, the Democrats, whether it's Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, or whomever, are not the enemy. Republicans are the enemy. And I don't know how a "centrist" can lead us anywhere near what you reference as normal. We need strength and an articulated vision to get anywhere near the place we need to be as a country. Look at the last election...18 GOP candidates, and the "winner" is a stone cold bastard with no ethics and no morality, yet they pretty much cover for him and don't even plan to have a primary in 2020. As far as I'm concerned, the whole Republican party is nothing more than pigs at the trough, lying, cheating and stealing whatever they can grab from the rest of us. I'm sick to death of Republicans, and that includes members of my family and some old friends. We can't fight among ourselves against...ourselves. We have to have the kind of leadership that restores economic balance and sanity, and that can't be done by someone who sits on the proverbial fence.

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RealLindaL



FT, I'm not talking about someone who does nothing.  I'm talking about someone with goals that can actually be accomplished, not pie in the sky.

I'm talking about WINNING in 2020, and I'm telling you a "Democratic Socialist" or anyone who's viewed by the American public as socialistic or far left, will never take the White House away from Trump.  Never.   Mark my words, you're making a huge mistake.

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Telstar

Telstar

Floridatexan wrote:

Linda, the Democrats, whether it's Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, or whomever, are not the enemy.  Republicans are the enemy.  And I don't know how a "centrist" can lead us anywhere near what you reference as normal.  We need strength and an articulated vision to get anywhere near the place we need to be as a country.  Look at the last election...18 GOP candidates, and the "winner" is a stone cold bastard with no ethics and no morality, yet they pretty much cover for him and don't even plan to have a primary in 2020.  As far as I'm concerned, the whole Republican party is nothing more than pigs at the trough, lying, cheating and stealing whatever they can grab from the rest of us.  I'm sick to death of Republicans, and that includes members of my family and some old friends.  We can't fight among ourselves against...ourselves.  We have to have the kind of leadership that restores economic balance and sanity, and that can't be done by someone who sits on the proverbial fence.





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RealLindaL



OK, you guys, I guess time will tell. As our favorite person to hate would say,
"We'll see how it goes."

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Deus X

Deus X

Floridatexan wrote: Republicans are the enemy.  

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