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1 If - Then - Else on 11/12/2018, 5:03 pm

Former Clinton adviser says Hillary will run in 2020

Two-time Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will mount a third bid for the White House, longtime Clinton adviser Mark Penn wrote in an op-ed published Sunday by The Wall Street Journal, predicting that the former first lady and secretary of state is readying a "Hillary 4.0" campaign for 2020.

In the Journal op-ed, Penn, an adviser and pollster to the Clintons from 1995-2008, and former New York City politician Andrew Stein wrote that in a 2020 run, Clinton would reinvent herself “as a liberal firebrand." The twice-failed presidential candidate would not “let a little thing like two stunning defeats stand in the way of her claim to the White House," they wrote.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/12/clinton-aide-2020-run-983684



If Hillary gets the nomination, which is certainly NOT inconceivable considering the strangle-hold the Clinton Crime Family still has on the Democratic Party, then Trump will win.

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2 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/12/2018, 5:12 pm

I actually like Hillary, and I think she might be able to win if people got a second chance to not be lackadaisical and take things for granted. Although that's iffy and I could easily be wrong.

That said, I still hope she doesn't run. I think she'd be a good president, but she'd also be a very contentious president. And, although their behavior has given me zero reason to worry about their fucking feelings, and I know they'll rage with hate for whoever beats Trump, I still think it'd be wiser to give the country at least a chance at a re-start with someone people aren't already unhinged about.

And, I'd like to see somebody younger. Maybe Beto. Maybe Kamala Harris. Maybe Booker. I know some people hate Harris and Booker, but, I don't really care, they hate pretty much everybody. And I'm sure there are other possibilities I'm not thinking of yet. I like Biden a hell of a lot, but, again, I'd like someone younger. And I hope I never have to see Bernie fucking Sanders again...

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3 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/12/2018, 5:16 pm

White male younger than sixty.

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4 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/12/2018, 5:44 pm

The Politico piece calls this a prediction. Let's hope it's a failed prediction.

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5 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/12/2018, 6:31 pm

RealLindaL wrote:The Politico piece calls this a prediction.   Let's hope it's a failed prediction.

I think not. This just in:


Hillary Clinton stakes claim in Florida, ‘deploying lawyers, organizers’

Two-time Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is staking a claim to the Florida Senate and gubernatorial recounts as she eyes a third try for the White House through a state with a growing Democratic Hispanic population.

In a memo from her Onward Together group, Clinton sought money to pay for lawyers and activists to help in the recount.

The fund raising call, on behalf of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, was her first action since a former aide said that she will jump into the 2020 Democratic primary. It is expected to have at least 12 candidates.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/hillary-clinton-stakes-claim-in-florida-deploying-lawyers-organizers


Uh oh!

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6 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/12/2018, 6:50 pm

Deus X wrote:
RealLindaL wrote:The Politico piece calls this a prediction.   Let's hope it's a failed prediction.

I think not. This just in:


Hillary Clinton stakes claim in Florida, ‘deploying lawyers, organizers’

Two-time Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is staking a claim to the Florida Senate and gubernatorial recounts as she eyes a third try for the White House through a state with a growing Democratic Hispanic population.

In a memo from her Onward Together group, Clinton sought money to pay for lawyers and activists to help in the recount.

The fund raising call, on behalf of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, was her first action since a former aide said that she will jump into the 2020 Democratic primary. It is expected to have at least 12 candidates.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/hillary-clinton-stakes-claim-in-florida-deploying-lawyers-organizers


Uh oh!

Why do you read that crap?

The Washington Examiner is a right-wing political journal that is heavy on psychological projection and denialism. It could be thought of as Townhall.com's more "respectable" cousin but even then, the site looks like a tabloid desperately trying to pass itself off as real news. It's not uncommon to see it used as a source among more extreme right-wingers who seem to like how proper the site pretends to be.

On science issues the site is pretty abysmal. Global warming denialism is rampant,[1] as is myths about DDT bans and other anti-environmentalist rhetoric,[2] leading to the site having a weird obsession with defending coal as being not all that damaging to the environment.[3] Also, Barack Obama only beat Mitt Romney because of the damned liberal media,[4] with implementing socialism being part of Obama's (and liberals) master plan.[5][6] Basically the site is what you'd expect from a publication that makes most of its money from winding up wingnuts.

The print version of the Washington Examiner is given away to commuters at Washington, DC-area subway stations, where its main competitor is the Washington Post's Express.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Washington_Examiner

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7 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/12/2018, 6:53 pm

Floridatexan wrote:
Why do you read that crap?  

So I'm not an ignorant parrot like you that obsessively reads only stuff that confirms my own bias. DUH!

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8 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/12/2018, 7:23 pm

Good... y'all have learned nothing.

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9 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/12/2018, 7:25 pm

Deus X wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Why do you read that crap?  

So I'm not an ignorant parrot like you that obsessively reads only stuff that confirms my own bias. DUH!

Let me rephrase that: Why do you BELIEVE the stupid crap you read? You obviously have a huge confirmation bias against the Clintons. That's a shame because reading speculative garbage like you just posted only enhances your confirmation bias. Take a pill.

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10 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/12/2018, 7:38 pm



So far I'm big on Harris and Beto. There's something I just don't like or trust about Booker and Gillibrand but that could change. Bernie, Biden, Warren and Hillary are too old. Hillary should back a candidate and prepare Chelsea for her run. Of course the default vote is ABT Anybody But Trump.

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11 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/12/2018, 8:39 pm

Poll: Biden, Bernie, Beto lead 2020 Dem field

Former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) enter the 2020 election cycle as the leaders for the Democratic presidential nomination to take on President Donald Trump, according to a POLITICO/Morning Consult poll conducted in the immediate aftermath of last week’s midterms.

More than a quarter of Democratic voters, 26 percent, say Biden is their first choice to be the Democratic nominee. Another one-in-five, 19 percent, would pick Sanders, the runner-up for the nomination in 2016.

The two septuagenarians — Biden will be 77 on Election Day, 2020, and Sanders will be 79 — are the only two prospective candidates to garner double-digit support. The third-place candidate is Rep. Beto O’Rourke (R-Texas), who built national name-recognition through his losing Senate bid last week, with 8 percent.

“Beto O’Rourke is emerging to be an outside contender for the 2020 Democratic nomination, outpacing other potential nominees,” said Tyler Sinclair, Morning Consult’s vice president.

Following O’Rourke are three senators, all thought to be likely candidates: Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and Cory Booker (D-N.J.). Warren is at 5 percent, Harris at 4 percent and Booker at 3 percent.


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/12/poll-biden-bernie-beto-lead-2020-dems-983995

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12 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/13/2018, 12:45 am

2seaoat wrote:White male younger than sixty.
Why younger than 60, why a male and why white?
I mentioned on another thread that you'd written something like this before and Deus went crazy saying you never did.
We had a black president twice, did you not notice?
Reagan wasn't under 60 and neither is Trump. Do only Democrats have to be under 60?

NBC just declared, after a recount, that the new Senator in Arizona is now a Democrat. She beat out another woman for the seat, and takes away the Republican hopes of making a bunch of gains in the Senate. Republicans got nothing so far but Florida to brag about, and that one isn't even settled yet. More people voted in this midterm than in any other midterm in the history of this country.
It was a blue wave Mr Seaoat. So 'scuse me if I don't trust all of your political opinions, especially those about all those "white males." Count the numbers Seaoat, you'll see there are more women out here than men. And we are not the "demure little women" anymore.
Trump thinks there should be a new election. 

Z, I like Biden a lot too, and I will vote my heart for him in the primaries if he decides to run. He deserves a shot at it. I'm not sure he would be the best candidate, and I usually try to go for whoever I think has the best chance to win, but I've decided that Joe Biden deserves the respect of my vote. Other folks can figure out who the actual candidate will probably be.
I changed parties in 2000 just long enough to vote my heart for John McCain back then and it didn't help a bit, but I don't regret saying I voted for him at least once. There are just a few people out there that are so decent I figure I owe them my vote. Biden is one of them.

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13 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/13/2018, 2:03 am

Excellent post with many valid points, bigdog.

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14 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/13/2018, 9:41 am

bigdog wrote:
Z, I like Biden a lot too, and I will vote my heart for him in the primaries if he decides to run. He deserves a shot at it. I'm not sure he would be the best candidate, and I usually try to go for whoever I think has the best chance to win, but I've decided that Joe Biden deserves the respect of my vote. Other folks can figure out who the actual candidate will probably be.
I changed parties in 2000 just long enough to vote my heart for John McCain back then and it didn't help a bit, but I don't regret saying I voted for him at least once. There are just a few people out there that are so decent I figure I owe them my vote. Biden is one of them.

Definitely not against that. He's a good man, and though he's not my first choice -- mostly because of the age factor -- I sure wouldn't be sorry to see him as Prez. Smile

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15 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/13/2018, 12:24 pm

Maybe one of these guys...they all ran as Republicans in 2018.  Of course, not all of them are under 60, but they do have one common denominator...they're all white supremacists. Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad



From Top, Left to Right: Paul Nehlen, Seth Grossman, Joe Arpaio, Russell Walker, Steve King, Arthur Jones, Corey Stewart and John Fitzgerald.



https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/republican-holocaust-deniers-697379/

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16 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/13/2018, 12:46 pm

Floridatexan wrote:Maybe one of these guys...they all ran as Republicans in 2018.  Of course, not all of them are under 60, but they do have one common denominator...they're all white supremacists. Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad



From Top, Left to Right: Paul Nehlen, Seth Grossman, Joe Arpaio, Russell Walker, Steve King, Arthur Jones, Corey Stewart and John Fitzgerald.



https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/republican-holocaust-deniers-697379/







Well Joe Arpaio is loyal and admits he would give Bone Spur a monica job if he asks for it.

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17 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/13/2018, 1:07 pm

That Seth Grossman has cast his lot with white supremacists is mind-boggling, given that the man is Jewish. How STOOOOOOPID can one be?????????????????

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18 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/13/2018, 1:15 pm

RealLindaL wrote:That Seth Grossman has cast his lot with white supremacists is mind-boggling, given that the man is Jewish.  How STOOOOOOPID can one be?????????????????







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19 Re: If - Then - Else on 11/13/2018, 6:21 pm

Grossman is disgusting and F.O.S.

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