Army is going to save America with their "cyber warriors"

They show a computer screen with this ominous voice in the background talking about somebody disrupting the American grid, disrupting business, and attacking your computer when the screen goes black and then shows a room of Army cyber warriors. Not much of a confidence builder.

Why is something which has been handled domestically for over two hundred years suddenly having the Army creating a new role in the law enforcement realm? The military propaganda is subtle. This battle of ideas which we have now militarized and put a 20 billion a year contingency in the defense budget to go on expeditionary foreign campaigns requires the numbing of the American people and the continued expansion and militarization of Americans. Let me see with close to 40 years being around computer geeks, and having worked with kids at the Illinois math and science academy to develop databases, I can tell you not one of those kids ever served a day in the military or ever would. We are in the middle of a military coup where they are given unlimited resources, keep moving into key civilian posts, and as of yesterday's monday night football had football players wearing military garb in the form of stocking hats, jackets, and sweats. WTF.......the military has now established through pure propaganda that Pro Football is attached at the waist with NFL football. When will this stop, and do we really want less than the best and brightest being our cyber warriors? We are in deep chit.

Wordslinger wrote:Bullshit or reality?  If you think today's military are led by independent, constitution-loving, American hero generals and admirals, you're as naive as the political mercenaries who love being referred to as American patriot heroes.

Wonderfully trained, our soldiers, sailors and airmen ask no questions when given an order to attack this, or attack that.  They do exactly as they are ordered.  And then over the years the guilt builds and they come home with PTSD and all too many of them suck a pistol.  Their grieving survivors are lucky they weren't murdered by their husband or daddy before he took the long walk west.  

Their former generals and admirals move on and up to lobbying for General Dynamics, or Raytheon or some other corporate MIC giant.  Or they are hired by Presidential staffs and become Secretary of this, or defender of that.  Like Kelly, or McMasters, etc.  

And Seaoat has a point -- these former military leaders got there through politics -- knowing who to always say "Yessir" ...

It's our system that's fucked.  The truth is our politicians are owned by the same profit seeking folks who own our military and make all the goods of war.  Politicians don't like rules or limitations.  So we get militarized police forces, and regular military forces suddenly invading what used to be civilian turf.  

And that's the sickening truth about today's America.  Heil Trump and crowd ...

And what are we going to do about it?  Good question, no?

Hmmm. Did you read 2SOs post? 200 years and now the military is involved with "cyberwarfare" is mixed in there with his usual rant about the "MIC". The only thing really missing is his usual depiction of the military as a bunch of uneducated losers.

If you think the current status of the military is something that just started with the Trumpet you've been asleep since 1935.

I can understand the Army being involved with cyberwarfare - do a little research on China and North Korea and get back to me on what they're up to.

I'm glad 2SO posted this - I really needed a laugh and got one with his comment about how he worked with computer geeks. Talk about someone who has done something for every occasion - if 2SO has done everything he claims over the years he must be at least 400 years old.

That's why he got the pegged BS meter.

It's amazing how many civilian contractors work for the military. I bet this gets farmed out too.

I'm souring on the job the military is doing in training its recruits.

The best and brightest in Illinois sure do not join the military. My friend who is dying from auto immune disease has a son in law who was valdictorian of his class, went to college as a physics major, went to graduate school as laser expert, got his phd and was snatched up by a defense contractor to develop lasers for combat.....not medicine......not industry.......not agriculture......for war. He and his wife went through weeks of security screening, and then off to the huge new salary, unable to talk about his work. I loved talking to this kid when he returned home from college. He was all excited about using lasers to create imaging which was highly advanced, but now he is a highly paid indentured servant of MIC. Those lasers will be sold back to America for huge profits draining our deficit like the current military budget has drained 80 billion this year, but the worst part is what could this kid have done in an open university environment to improve productivity and actually contribute to the GDP.

Sorry Gator if telling the truth some how diminishes you self worth. The truth stands on its own. Military clothes distributed to NFL football players, and we want these simpletons having anything to do with cyber warfare. Please. What talented and gifted student picks the military as a vocation? It was not the case prior to WWII, but the draft brought the best America had to offer to win that war. Since the creation of a mercenary army to market and expend the goods of MIC, we have anything but the best and brightest.

Cut military spending and strangle the beast.

2seaoat wrote:The best and brightest in Illinois sure do not join the military.  My friend who is dying from auto immune disease has a son in law who was valdictorian of his class, went to college as a physics major, went to graduate school as laser expert, got his phd and was snatched up by a defense contractor to develop lasers for combat.....not medicine......not industry.......not agriculture......for war.   He and his wife went through weeks of security screening, and then off to the huge new salary, unable to talk about his work.  I loved talking to this kid when he returned home from college.  He was all excited about using lasers to create imaging which was highly advanced, but now he is a highly paid indentured servant of MIC.  Those lasers will be sold back to America for huge profits draining our deficit like the current military budget has drained 80 billion this year, but the worst part is what could this kid have done in an open university environment to improve productivity and actually contribute to the GDP.

Sorry Gator if telling the truth some how diminishes you self worth.   The truth stands on its own.   Military clothes distributed to NFL football players, and we want these simpletons having anything to do with cyber warfare.   Please.  What talented and gifted student picks the military as a vocation?   It was not the case prior to WWII, but the draft brought the best America had to offer to win that war.   Since the creation of a mercenary army to market and expend the goods of MIC, we have anything but the best and brightest.  

Cut military spending and strangle the beast.

Apparently your buddy (by default) did. Since you are unable to understand the military as a whole your uninformed opinion is just that, an uninformed opinion. And trust me when I say that NOTHING you pretend to think of as the truth will diminish my sense of self-worth.

Is there waste in military spending? Of course there is. Is there value in having a well-equipped and trained military? Of course there is - unless one is a wannabe isolationist in a global economy like you. Are there problems with the current military and how they are TOLD by Congress and various Presidents to procure systems they often don't want and conduct inadvisable operations? Of course there is. If you understood the system (and you don't) you would know the problem is not the military but their civilian masters who demand things that are quite often ridiculous, if not impossible.

It's just easier for an arm chair quarterback like yourself to take the easy road out and criticize something you think you see instead of digging in and seeing the truth.

It does not take a doctorate degree in economics to understand the long term cancer which too high of military budgeting has caused the America economy to be drained.

I believe in a small defensive military footprint. It should be able to protect Americans threatened by nation states who wish to invade or harm Americans. I do not believe in this expansive military going from defensive to offensive.

"This year's bill takes the first step to fixing the broken national security space enterprise within the Air Force," said Rep. Mike Roger (R-Ala.), one of the chief backers of the Space Corps proposal. "It's a first step in long path to getting space right for the betterment of our warfighters. Hopefully over the coming year the Senate will focus on the chronic problems facing national security space and work with us to establish a separate Space Corps."

There are all kinds of treaties to not militarize space, but heck we have this growing space threat when combined with the "war" on terrorism simply converts reality into a Huntsville wet dream.

There is no isolation in a defensive deployment. When you put all your egss in one basket, do not be surprised by the result.

I spent yesterday reading about Jefferson scaling back the American Military, and even in our infancy the bankers and Wall Street wanted that consolidation of our finances and a big military. It is the source of most of our current problems. When Jefferson was faced with a huge debt issue......he cut the military as unnecessary along with much of the deployments. He was right. Self defense is not becoming an empire which attacks third world nations and fights continual non stop war.....keep that debt meter going. Enough. Cut the Military budget. Another accident......as we fight the longest war in American history and deploy our forces all over the world, and America becomes more vulnerable every day with the illusion that mercenary armies and MIC are going to make decisions which are good for America. Cannot happen.

2seaoat wrote:I believe in a small defensive military footprint.   It should be able to protect Americans threatened by nation states who wish to invade or harm Americans.  I do not believe in this expansive military going from defensive to offensive.

Do you believe for even a moment that the Soviet Union would have been defeated, with all that implies for Eastern Europe, if we had reduced our forces to a "small defensive military footprint" after WWII? Are you suggesting that the world would have been better off if we had not enforced the Pax Americana?

C'mon, Seaoat, you're not this fucking ignorant. The world and all it's inhabitants are in a much better state with the threat of American military power containing and then defeating the Soviet Union.

You refuse to engage on this subject which, I presume, means you know you're full of shit on this. It's not as black-and-white as you would have us believe. NOTHING is ever that binary and defending the freedom of others is a noble cause.

When you finally pass onto your reward and show up at the Pearly Gates expecting immediate entrée, St. Peter is gonna say "Whoa, hold up a minute there, sport! Ask these former residents of Eastern Europe what they think about American military might. Sorry, you're gonna have to spend a few millennia in Purgatory changing diapers and cleaning septic tanks before you get in here."