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This brilliant professor wants to save America ... you should listen!

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2seaoat
Wordslinger
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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Without achieving true campaign finance reform, we're all doomed. Lawrence Lessig has a solution:

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/11/democratic_presidential_candidate_lawrence_lessig_vows_to_do_one_thing_in_office_then_immediately_resign/?source=newsletter

2seaoat



I have watched him last night on tv and this morning on Morning Joe.  He is the most naive man I have heard in a long time.  He needs to get out of his Harvard Ivory tower and realize that he or any other democratic candidate for President lacks the power to implement his plan.  Congress, or a constitutional amendment is required.  The oligarchy controls this nation, and he somehow believes that their control of congress will be magically changed if somebody is elected as president.  His voucher system is a great idea, but who pays for the same?  Sorry, anybody who says he is running for President and once his one issues is implemented will resign.......total idiot who should climb back into his ivory tower, because the fight that has to be fought is down and dirty in the trenches where the very people who are being exploited and fooled with social and racial issues must be convinced that this is the central issue for reform.....this guy could not convince anybody to follow him.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I proposed this some time ago,  wordslinger.  Of course there is not a snowball's chance in hell it would ever happen.  But here it is anyway.

1.  The Presidential and Congressional elections will be conducted in the following manner.

2.  The first step in the process will be a signature drive.  The signature drive will be open to anyone who meets the eligibility requirements (age,  residence, etc).

3.   The signature drive will last for a period of six months.

4.  Those seeking signatures in the drive will be financed by contributions not to exceed $200 per any one individual donor.  
And if the person seeking signatures in the drive wishes to align him/herself with a political party,  he/she will be permitted to do so.
There will be no contributions allowed from pacs,  super pacs,  super duper calafragistic pacs,  ms pacs, milk dud pacs or any other pacs.

5.  At the end of the six month signature drive,  the six candidates receiving the most signatures will be placed on the general election ballot.

6.  The general election campaign will last for a period of 3 months.

7.  As with the signature drive,  each candidate on the general election ballot will be limited to contributions not exceeding $200 per individual donor.
Again no pacs of any kind.

8.  All media will be required,  at it's expense,  to participate in the general election campaign.
All electronic media and all print media will be required to devote a designated amount of time to each candidate.  In the form of debates, interviews,  etc.  BUT,  each candidate will receive the same amount of coverage by law.
For congressional elections,  all this will pertain to media within the congressional district in question,  or within the state of the senatorial election.

9.  At the end of the general election campaign,  a vote will be taken and the popular vote will determine the winner.  The "electoral college" will go the way of the typewriter and the horse and buggy where it belongs.

Sal

Sal

Are you fucking kidding me??

This guy wants to run against the Trumpster Fire??

Put down the crack pipe and back slowly away from your keyboard.

This is AMURICA - FUCK YEA!! we're talking about.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

10.  The same term limits imposed on the President will be imposed on all members of Congress.

2seaoat



All media will be required,  at it's expense,...

Quit smoking the bird seed...

 The same term limits imposed on the President will be imposed on all members of Congress.

So all experienced congress people will be gone and the lobbyist will completely in charge of drafting new legislation.....brilliant Bob.....absolutely brilliant.  There are term limits......they are called elections.  If our founding fathers wanted to have a bunch of ignorant rubes legislating, they would have put term limits in the constitution.  We do not need another constitutional amendment on this subject, and I have never liked the limitation on the President which was done after constitutional amendment.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:All media will be required,  at it's expense,...

Quit smoking the bird seed...

 The same term limits imposed on the President will be imposed on all members of Congress.

So all experienced congress people will be gone and the lobbyist will completely in charge of drafting new legislation.....brilliant Bob.....absolutely brilliant.  There are term limits......they are called elections.  If our founding fathers wanted to have a bunch of ignorant rubes legislating, they would have put term limits in the constitution.  We do not need another constitutional amendment on this subject, and I have never liked the limitation on the President which was done after constitutional amendment.

Still thinking inside that little box I see.

Our founding fathers never put term limits on the Executive branch either.
But our Founding Fathers were smart and they made it possible for us to be able to alter the Constitution they originally gave us to meet our needs in the future.
And that's what allowed us to put term limits on the Presidency in 1947.

The only reason you don't want term limits for the President is because you and sal and bds want Obama in office forever. Just as markel and pacedog would want Bush in office forever.

Lobbyists are already running Congress without term limits.
The solution is not to have unlimited terms. The solution is to diminish the power and influence of lobbyists.



Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

And as far as requiring the media to devote time and space to election campaigns.   Fuck it,  let them run commercials to pay for it.
That debate drew from 24-30 million viewers,  more than any non-sports programming in cable tv history.  Far more actually.  The advertising revenues could have set records.

Get your head outside of that little box.  The air outside is a lot better than the stale air inside it.

Sal

Sal

I agree completely with Oats regarding term limits.

That is a simpleton's self-defeating solution to the problem.

Get the money out of politics, and everything will be fine.

2seaoat



We are the government....Media....you must obey our commands.....brilliant Bob.   I want experienced legislators who know how government works, and who understand the departments of government which they serve on committees to oversee.  Term limits in the Supreme Court, and the legislature is boneheaded stupid.  You only have to see who the people are who advocates for the same......see the rock.....it has more sense than most advocates in regard to term limits.  Lets see if we can dumb government down some more....cuz government is bad.......brilliant.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Salinsky wrote:

Get the money out of politics, and everything will be fine.

Well I gave you my proposal for how to get the money out of the elections.
So what's yours? I'm listening.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Salinsky wrote:I agree completely with Oats regarding term limits.

That is a simpleton's self-defeating solution to the problem.

Get the money out of politics, and everything will be fine.


And if we don't, we're all doomed!

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Well at least I gave both of you a proposal for how to get the money out of the elections.

But I can see that what we have here is a couple of Donald Trumps.  He has no policy and neither do you two.

From now on we're going to have to take Sal's mockery of Trump with a grain of salt. lol

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:We are the government....Media....you must obey our commands.....brilliant Bob.  

So you believe the broadcast media is unregulated now, do you?
I guess you've never heard of the FCC. lol

Sal

Sal

Well, the first things we should do are overturn Citizen's United with a Constitutional amendment and then institute public financing for all campaigns.

That would be a good start.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Salinsky wrote:Well, the first things we should do are overturn Citizen's United with a Constitutional amendment and then institute public financing for all campaigns.

That would be a good start.

A little background for the unitiated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

Markle

Markle

Bob wrote:
Salinsky wrote:Well, the first things we should do are overturn Citizen's United with a Constitutional amendment and then institute public financing for all campaigns.

That would be a good start.

A little background for the unitiated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

MORE "misinformation" spread by the very ones who BROKE ALL RECORDS in collecting and spending MONEY in the last two Presidential election by a country mile. Nope, you just can't make these things up.

Then they lie about the Citizens United decision. It simply ruled some parts of the McCain/Feingold campaign finance law were unconstitutional.

I've posted this on first the Pensacola forum and then here at least three or four times. No surprise, Progressives pretend it does not exist. Once again for the S-L-O-W minded.

Corporate personhood is a legal concept that a corporation, as a group of people, may be recognized as having some of the same legal rights and responsibilities as an individual. For example, corporations may contract with other parties and sue or be sued in court in the same way as natural persons or unincorporated associations of persons. The doctrine does not hold that corporations are flesh and blood "people" apart from their shareholders, executives, and managers, nor does it grant to corporations all of the rights of citizens.[1]

In the United States, since at least Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward – 17 U.S. 518 (1819), the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized corporations as having the same rights as natural persons to contract and to enforce contracts. In Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad – 118 U.S. 394 (1886), the court reporter, Bancroft Davis,[2] noted in the headnote to the opinion that the Chief Justice Morrison Waite began oral argument by stating, "The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are all of the opinion that it does."[3] While the headnote is not part of the Court's opinion and thus not precedent, two years later, in Pembina Consolidated Silver Mining Co. v. Pennsylvania – 125 U.S. 181 (1888), the Court clearly affirmed the doctrine, holding, "Under the designation of 'person' there is no doubt that a private corporation is included [in the Fourteenth Amendment]. Such corporations are merely associations of individuals united for a special purpose and permitted to do business under a particular name and have a succession of members without dissolution."[4] This doctrine has been reaffirmed by the Court many times since

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Bob wrote:
Salinsky wrote:Well, the first things we should do are overturn Citizen's United with a Constitutional amendment and then institute public financing for all campaigns.

That would be a good start.

A little background for the unitiated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

MORE "misinformation" spread by the very ones who BROKE ALL RECORDS in collecting and spending MONEY in the last two Presidential election by a country mile.  Nope, you just can't make these things up.

Then they lie about the Citizens United decision.  It simply ruled some parts of the McCain/Feingold campaign finance law were unconstitutional.

I've posted this on first the Pensacola forum and then here at least three or four times.  No surprise, Progressives pretend it does not exist.  Once again for the S-L-O-W minded.

Corporate personhood is a legal concept that a corporation, as a group of people, may be recognized as having some of the same legal rights and responsibilities as an individual. For example, corporations may contract with other parties and sue or be sued in court in the same way as natural persons or unincorporated associations of persons. The doctrine does not hold that corporations are flesh and blood "people" apart from their shareholders, executives, and managers, nor does it grant to corporations all of the rights of citizens.[1]

In the United States, since at least Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward – 17 U.S. 518 (1819), the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized corporations as having the same rights as natural persons to contract and to enforce contracts. In Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad – 118 U.S. 394 (1886), the court reporter, Bancroft Davis,[2] noted in the headnote to the opinion that the Chief Justice Morrison Waite began oral argument by stating, "The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are all of the opinion that it does."[3] While the headnote is not part of the Court's opinion and thus not precedent, two years later, in Pembina Consolidated Silver Mining Co. v. Pennsylvania – 125 U.S. 181 (1888), the Court clearly affirmed the doctrine, holding, "Under the designation of 'person' there is no doubt that a private corporation is included [in the Fourteenth Amendment]. Such corporations are merely associations of individuals united for a special purpose and permitted to do business under a particular name and have a succession of members without dissolution."[4] This doctrine has been reaffirmed by the Court many times since

Thanks to bloodsucking oligarchs and their stooges like Semi Sane Markle, our middle class is being decimated, our economy sucks, and the American dream that one's children will have more opportunities than they did, has become a nightmare.

Markle believes that money should rule -- and I must admit, that concept is classic American -- because our country was founded by the rich, for the rich and of the rich.

Help rescue America -- do what you can to get money out of politics. Support the ultra rich's worst enemy: Bernie Sanders!

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I feel you channeling the ghost of comrade Lenin.....power to the working class........

The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.
Vladimir Lenin


Yes socialism works so well until it doesn't.


Democracy is indispensable to socialism.
Vladimir Lenin

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