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Time to Impeach Trump

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1Time to Impeach Trump Empty Time to Impeach Trump 8/20/2017, 3:04 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Saturday, August 19, 2017

By Marjorie Cohn, Truthout | Op-Ed


"As we mourn the death of Heather Heyer, murdered by a white supremacist at the Charlottesville "Unite the Right" rally on Saturday, and hope for the recovery of the dozens of other anti-racist counterdemonstrators injured that day, Donald Trump continues to fan the flames of hatred and bigotry he has nourished throughout his brief presidency.

The president's reprehensible behavior in this moment creates a new sense of urgency. We cannot postpone consideration of impeachment until Special Counsel Robert Mueller finishes his criminal investigation. It is time to pressure the House of Representatives to bring articles of impeachment against Trump for his abuse of power. We must stop this president before he launches a new civil war and/or nuclear war.

Commentator Robert Tracinski, writing on the conservative website The Federalist, concurs. "We're done with the 'Well, maybe it won't be so bad and we should take what we can get' phase of this administration," he wrote, apparently referring to Republicans who are holding their noses while hoping for tax cuts and more right-wing Supreme Court justices.

To read more stories like this, visit Human Rights and Global Wrongs.

"It's time for the 'He's a disaster and needs to go' phase," Tracinski continued. "For everybody's good, Donald Trump needs to not be president, and he needs to not be president yesterday."

Tracinski noted, "In a country where 99 percent of the population is opposed to Nazis, it should be the easiest thing in the world for an American president to unite the country by appealing to our shared values."

But that is not what Trump did after the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville resulted in the death of Heyer and wounding of 34 people. The rally drew together neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klan members and self-described members of the "alt-right" -- a racist, radical right-wing movement that seeks to rebrand white supremacy, anti-Semitism, anti-immigrant, anti-feminist politics, homophobia and transphobia under a more polished, middle-class veneer.

In a classic example of false moral equivalency, Trump ultimately responded on Tuesday to the racist, anti-Semitic attacks by saying there were "very fine people on both sides" and "many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists."..."

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http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/41665-time-to-impeach-trump

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2Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/20/2017, 4:00 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum

Silly comrades... all raw emotion and zero knowledge of the requirements to impeach... lol.

cyclops

3Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/20/2017, 4:52 pm

Telstar

Telstar

PkrBum wrote:Silly comrades... all raw emotion and zero knowledge of the requirements to impeach... lol.

cyclops




So says the all powerful Michigan pill popper. Rolling Eyes

4Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/20/2017, 5:37 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

It feels as if the country is in a hostage situation. Many want Trump out of office but the official mechanism is extremely complicated, as it should be. Observers keep saying that Trump has a very thin skin. This is true; we've seen him lash out in un-presidential ways. He does all manner of things to prove he has bad judgement and no moral compass. He is picked upon by the press and increasingly by fellow Republicans, yet he hangs on to the office.

It is hard to imagine the current crop of politicians in D.C. gathering enough courage to go through the steps necessary to oust him from office due to mental incapacity. Can you imagine how long that would take even if they had courage enough to begin the process? He is not in a coma, he could still do great harm to the country between the time such a commission convened and when a verdict was rendered.

Somewhere on the horizon there must be a perfect storm of circumstances that would push him to resign. I don't know what that storm looks like but his resignation cannot come soon enough.


[T]he Twenty-fifth Amendment was added to the Constitution in February 1967. Under Section 4, a President can be removed if he is judged to be ‘unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.’ The assessment can be made either by the Vice-President and a majority of the Cabinet secretaries or by a congressionally appointed body, such as a panel of medical experts. If the President objects—a theoretical crisis that scholars call “contested removal”—Congress has three weeks to debate and decide the issue. A two-thirds majority in each chamber is required to remove the President. There is no appeal.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/05/no_the_25th_amendment_is_not_the_solution.html

5Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/20/2017, 9:21 pm

RealLindaL



othershoe1030 wrote:
It is hard to imagine the current crop of politicians in D.C. gathering enough courage to go through the steps necessary to oust him from office due to mental incapacity. Can you imagine how long that would take even if they had courage enough to begin the process? He is not in a coma, he could still do great harm to the country between the time such a commission convened and when a verdict was rendered.

Somewhere on the horizon there must be a perfect storm of circumstances that would push him to resign. I don't know what that storm looks like but his resignation cannot come soon enough.

I think your post sums things up quite succinctly, other.

6Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/20/2017, 9:49 pm

Guest


Guest

You can't impeach him if he's not your President and it's documented on this forum that you have said as much. Thanks for playing and you can pick up your parting gifts at the door.

7Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/20/2017, 10:40 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

ALTLEFTCRIMINALS wrote:You can't impeach him if he's not your President and it's documented on this forum that you have said as much. Thanks for playing and you can pick up your parting gifts at the door.

You should have picked up your parting gifts when you were banned from this forum. Goodbye.

8Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/20/2017, 10:44 pm

2seaoat



The use of the impeachment process must not have a threshold of simple political disagreement. I can wait for Mueller.

9Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/21/2017, 12:22 am

Telstar

Telstar

RealLindaL wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:
It is hard to imagine the current crop of politicians in D.C. gathering enough courage to go through the steps necessary to oust him from office due to mental incapacity. Can you imagine how long that would take even if they had courage enough to begin the process? He is not in a coma, he could still do great harm to the country between the time such a commission convened and when a verdict was rendered.

Somewhere on the horizon there must be a perfect storm of circumstances that would push him to resign. I don't know what that storm looks like but his resignation cannot come soon enough.

I think your post sums things up quite succinctly, other.




Time to Impeach Trump Banana10

10Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/21/2017, 12:49 am

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

2seaoat wrote:The use of the impeachment process must not have a threshold of simple political disagreement.   I can wait for Mueller.

Removal from office due to mental incapacity is not the same as Impeachment on grounds of high crimes etc. is it? The process is completely different. It is too prolonged for our current situation.

If somehow he could be put under oath we'd have him in a second since he cannot stop lying. It is only a matter of time. Let's hope it is not another 3 1/2 years!

11Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/21/2017, 12:59 am

2seaoat



The use of the insanity approach under the 25th amendment deals with a loss of capacity, after the man has been elected.  This man had no capacity when he was elected.  It is an improper and terrible precedent to use such subjective concepts of sanity to resolve a political question.   I can wait for an impeachment based on what I believe was clear obstruction of justice.   Any attempt to try to find a rat's tail of difference from candidate Trump and President Trump is simply a political witch hunt.

12Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/21/2017, 1:22 am

RealLindaL



2seaoat wrote:Any attempt to try to find a rat's tail of difference from candidate Trump and President Trump is simply a political witch hunt.

Personally I wouldn't see that as a witch hunt so much as an exercise in futility.

Meanwhile, while we wait for Mueller, much of the best structure of government is reduced to shambles under the Trump administration, and many of the best people gone.

13Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/21/2017, 9:06 am

zsomething



othershoe1030 wrote:It feels as if the country is in a hostage situation. Many want Trump out of office but the official mechanism is extremely complicated, as it should be. Observers keep saying that Trump has a very thin skin. This is true; we've seen him lash out in un-presidential ways. He does all manner of things to prove he has bad judgement and no moral compass. He is picked upon by the press and increasingly by fellow Republicans, yet he hangs on to the office.

It is hard to imagine the current crop of politicians in D.C. gathering enough courage to go through the steps necessary to oust him from office due to mental incapacity. Can you imagine how long that would take even if they had courage enough to begin the process? He is not in a coma, he could still do great harm to the country between the time such a commission convened and when a verdict was rendered.

Somewhere on the horizon there must be a perfect storm of circumstances that would push him to resign. I don't know what that storm looks like but his resignation cannot come soon enough.


[T]he Twenty-fifth Amendment was added to the Constitution in February 1967. Under Section 4, a President can be removed if he is judged to be ‘unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.’ The assessment can be made either by the Vice-President and a majority of the Cabinet secretaries or by a congressionally appointed body, such as a panel of medical experts. If the President objects—a theoretical crisis that scholars call “contested removal”—Congress has three weeks to debate and decide the issue. A two-thirds majority in each chamber is required to remove the President. There is no appeal.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/05/no_the_25th_amendment_is_not_the_solution.html

Yep.

Trump's autobiography-ghost-writer thinks that Trump will probably quit after a while. Trump really only wanted the presidency as something to "win," and thought he'd get a lot of admiration (something he pathetically neeeeeeeds. Since that hasn't worked out very well beyond a few crowds of people that are so stupid it's embarrassing to have them like him, that admiration thing hasn't worked out. So, before his big failures start settling in and having negative effects, Trump may declare victory, claim that America is now "great again," and fade back to sit on the sidelines and complain that whoever followed him is screwing up his perfect record. It would fit an old Trump pattern.

14Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/21/2017, 1:32 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Enough is Enough

By THE TIMES EDITORIAL BOARD

AUG. 20, 2017

These are not normal times.

The man in the White House is reckless and unmanageable, a danger to the Constitution, a threat to our democratic institutions.

Last week some of his worst qualities were on display: his moral vacuity and his disregard for the truth, as well as his stubborn resistance to sensible advice. As ever, he lashed out at imaginary enemies and scapegoated others for his own failings. Most important, his reluctance to offer a simple and decisive condemnation of racism and Nazism astounded and appalled observers around the world.

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With such a glaring failure of moral leadership at the top, it is desperately important that others stand up and speak out to defend American principles and values. This is no time for neutrality, equivocation or silence. Leaders across America — and especially those in the president’s own party — must summon their reserves of political courage to challenge President Trump publicly, loudly and unambiguously.

Enough is enough.

Some people clearly understand this. On Monday, after Trump suggested that “alt-left” counter-protesters were as much to blame as Nazis and white supremacists for the fiasco in Charlottesville, a courageous CEO — Kenneth Frazier, the chief executive of Merck & Co. — resigned from the president’s American Manufacturing Council in protest. His departure, which the ever-gracious president greeted with derision, led to an exodus of other commission members.


This is no time for neutrality, equivocation or silence.

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Also last week, five members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued a tacit rebuke to the president by condemning racism and hatred in Charlottesville. Denouncing Nazis and Klansmen is not exactly controversial or cutting-edge in 2017, but for the generals to take on the commander in chief is, to say the least, highly unusual.

Many Republicans and conservatives have broken ranks as well in recent months, dismayed by the daily chaos, belligerence and mismanagement. Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.) and Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) have been outspoken critics. Max Boot, David Frum and other conservative public intellectuals have written articulately about the failures of the Trump presidency; the venerable conservative magazine National Review has as well. On Friday, former GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney said Trump’s response to Charlottesville had “caused racists to rejoice,” and that if he didn’t apologize it could lead to “an unraveling of our national fabric.” These votes of no-confidence from fellow conservatives and Republicans are powerful indictments.

But where are the rest?

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Rep. Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) are the two most-powerful men in Congress. Both have fired off the occasional potshot but for the most part have stood firmly behind this wildly flawed president, despite the taunts and insults Trump hurled at them from his Twitter redoubt.

What holds them back? Craven, self-serving political calculations designed to protect their careers, and dwindling hope that the president, despite everything, will help them move their long-delayed legislative agenda.

Their silence is shameful.

How about the more rational members of Trump’s Cabinet? They should be fleeing the administration, refusing to stand mutely against the wall at his press conferences while he steps on their messages and undermines their best efforts.


Men and women of conscience can no longer withhold judgment.

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Many rank-and-file GOP members of Congress are simply too scared of alienating Republican voters or of enraging a vindictive Trump or of provoking a primary challenge from the right funded by the Koch brothers or the Mercer family. They should wake up and declare their independence.

In California, the pressure is sometimes in the other direction. For instance, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), a Trump supporter who won reelection in 2016 by an extraordinarily narrow 2,348 votes, knows he needs to distance himself from Trump if he hopes to win reelection in 2018; he has done so, slowly, a bit. It would be nice if he did so on principle, but in the end, he and his colleagues may be more persuaded by Trump’s low favorability ratings and the near certainty of challenges from Democrats in the midterm election.

Men and women of conscience can no longer withhold judgment. Trump’s erratic nature and his impulsive, demagogic style endanger us all.

Republicans and conservatives around the country should be just as concerned as Democrats about Trump’s conflicts of interest, his campaign’s relationship with the Russians and whether he engaged in obstruction of justice. They should call him out when he sows division, when he dog-whistles, when he emboldens bigots. They should stand up for global human rights, for constructive engagement with the rest of the world and for other shared American values that transcend party allegiances.

Rejecting the president of one’s own party could mean alienating friends, crossing allies, damaging one’s chances of advancement or risking one’s career altogether for a matter of principle. But that’s the very definition of leadership.

No one can sit on the sidelines now. It’s time for Republicans to show some spine.

This is the seventh in a series.


http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-trump-enough/

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15Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/21/2017, 4:04 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Time to Impeach Trump IMG_2365

16Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/21/2017, 4:04 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum

An absolute dereliction of journalism for these sources to editorialize the dnc propaganda.

17Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/21/2017, 4:10 pm

Telstar

Telstar

PkrBum wrote:An absolute dereliction of journalism for these sources to editorialize the dnc propaganda.





Pure Michigan bullshit.

18Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/21/2017, 4:44 pm

polecat

polecat

PkrBum wrote:An absolute dereliction of journalism for these sources to editorialize the dnc propaganda.

I wonder how the general public feels.

Time to Impeach Trump Img_2021

19Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/21/2017, 4:52 pm

polecat

polecat

Can I get a nothing burger with some Russian dressing on it please? I wonder what Bob Mueller is having for lunch today?

20Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/22/2017, 11:13 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

The Failing Trump Presidency

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD   AUG. 19, 2017

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With each day, President Trump offers fresh proof that he is failing the office that Americans entrusted to him. The rolling disaster of his presidency accelerated downhill last week with a news conference on Tuesday at which he seemed determined to sow racial strife in a nation desperate for a unifying vision.

Since the 1930s it has not typically been a challenge for an American leader to denounce Nazism. But there is nothing typical about this president; urged by some of his advisers and family members to summon the majesty and moral authority of the presidency to heal the wounds of last weekend’s neo-Nazi violence in Charlottesville, to put the good of the country before personal pique, he chose instead to deliver a defense of white supremacists that raised as never before profound doubts about his moral compass, his grasp of the obligations of his office and his fitness to occupy it.

This, in essence, is where we are now: a nation led by a prince of discord who seems divorced from decency and common sense. The alarm bells were loud and swift. Five members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff delivered a rare rebuke, condemning race-based extremism in the military and the nation. Foreign leaders, from Secretary General António Guterres of the United Nations to Prime Minister Theresa May of Britain, condemned intolerance and a failure of leadership in the White House.

Of all the many complaints and condemnations, the strongest came from Mr. Trump’s putative allies in the business community, a glittering who’s who of financial and corporate leaders who began resigning from two White House advisory councils early last week, ultimately forcing the president to dissolve both panels in order to spare himself the humiliation of further corporate desertions. The White House ultimately abandoned a third advisory council, on infrastructure, an area where Mr. Trump had hoped to fulfill at least one of his campaign promises to create jobs.

Mr. Trump was reportedly energized by his Tuesday performance, which he saw as a rebuke to politically correct forces that he thinks are determined to topple him. He crashed ahead, attacking critics on all sides and delivering Twitter bursts of anti-historical nonsense. Not the least of these was his repetition, shortly after the terrorist attack in Barcelona on Thursday, of the canard that Gen. John Pershing, known as “Black Jack,” had stopped Islamic terrorists in the Philippines by killing dozens of them with bullets dipped in pigs’ blood, a strategy Mr. Trump thinks worthy of emulation.

One measure of the despair caused by Mr. Trump’s behavior is that we find ourselves strangely comforted by things that in any normal presidency would be cause for concern. One of these is the sheer incompetence that this president has displayed. Apart from threatening environmental, safety and financial protections with largely unfulfilled executive orders, a demonstrably cruel deportation policy, and lamentable court appointments, the worst of Mr. Trump’s plans have thankfully faltered, like destroying the Affordable Care Act, while others are nowhere in sight.

Here is yet another oddity, another upending of traditional expectations. Americans accustomed constitutionally and politically to civilian leadership now find themselves relying on three current and former generals — John Kelly, the new White House chief of staff; H. R. McMaster, the national security adviser; and Jim Mattis, the secretary of defense — to stop Mr. Trump from going completely off the rails.

Experienced and educated, well-versed in the terrible costs of global confrontation and driven by an impulse toward public service that Mr. Trump doesn’t possess, these three, it is hoped, can counter his worst instincts. This is at best a weak reed, though, given the training of military leaders to follow the lead of the commander-in-chief and Mr. Trump’s tendency to confuse criticism with “disloyalty.” And the idea of three military men at the top of strategic policy making gives further pause at a time when the State Department has been robbed of expertise and traditional diplomacy has been marginalized.

Some people, optimists in our view, believe that Mr. Trump’s worst instincts can be controlled or at least moderated after the exit on Friday of one of the White House’s darker forces, Stephen Bannon. Mr. Bannon doubtless reinforced and gave bogus intellectual cover to Mr. Trump’s cramped views on immigration and race, but his influence appears to have been fading, by order of Mr. Kelly, and in any case his departure does not solve the main problem, which is Mr. Trump himself.

There are some signs that our democratic system is working to contain Mr. Trump. The failure of his efforts to deprive millions of Americans of health care coverage, the continuing investigation of his administration by the F.B.I., court challenges to his immigration and environmental edicts, and a new willingness by self-interested allies to desert him all suggest he is not immune to the forces that have felled bad presidents before him.

Is it fair to place any hope in the Republican Party, in particular its congressional leadership? For reasons of ineptitude and ideological complicity, the party’s leaders did almost nothing to counter the Trump phenomenon, nor did they seek in any sustained fashion to temper his worst excesses, beginning with his false claims about President Barack Obama’s birth and proceeding onward through his demagogic Inaugural Address.

It thus seems beyond unlikely that Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, or Paul Ryan, the weak-kneed speaker of the House, would entertain any thought of strong action, like censure. But it’s fair to ask: Purely as a matter of political self-preservation, wouldn’t a concerted effort to drag Mr. Trump away from the fringes make sense? His approval ratings are drifting south of 35 percent while he continues to romance the fewer than one-quarter of Americans who say they can’t think of anything he could do to shake their support. Heading into an election year, is that where Mr. McConnell and Mr. Ryan want to be?

The deeper question, to Mr. Trump’s remaining supporters, is not political but moral. It is whether they will continue to follow a standard-bearer who is alienating most of the country by embracing extremists. Yes, other Republican leaders, while claiming the mantle of Abraham Lincoln, have subtly and not so subtly courted bigots since the days of Richard Nixon’s “Southern strategy.” But Mr. Trump has now made that subtext his text. Last week, he stripped away the pretense and the camouflage. In deciding to split Americans apart rather than draw them together, he abandoned the legacy of Lincoln for the legacy of Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. He chose to summon not America’s better angels, but its demons.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/opinion/trump-nazism-republican-party-failing.html?_r=0

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21Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/22/2017, 11:22 am

PkrBum

PkrBum

Silly comrades... lol.

22Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/22/2017, 1:38 pm

Telstar

Telstar

PkrBum wrote:Silly comrades... lol.




Pathetic drug abuser.

23Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/22/2017, 7:25 pm

Guest


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Floridatexan wrote:
ALTLEFTCRIMINALS wrote:You can't impeach him if he's not your President and it's documented on this forum that you have said as much. Thanks for playing and you can pick up your parting gifts at the door.

You should have picked up your parting gifts when you were banned from this forum.  Goodbye.

Obviously, I am not banned.

24Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/22/2017, 8:15 pm

polecat

polecat

Bald heads Phoenix speech is sure to be a
cross burner

25Time to Impeach Trump Empty Re: Time to Impeach Trump 8/22/2017, 8:23 pm

polecat

polecat

Time to Impeach Trump Img_2022


Fluffer tour in Phoenix is about to start.

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