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zsomething wrote:The guy's so erratic and his behavior is so bizarre, most of the people in his own country can't trust him, much less other countries.

For all practical purposes, we really don't have a president right now.  The leadership from the top has been negatory.  America's a rudderless ship and this all seems a big experiment in how long that can be sustained.   So far we haven't had an attack or major crisis from without, so there hasn't been anything catastrophic yet... but we're rolling the dice on it and just hoping our luck holds out.

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None of you have any credibility because you NEVER called Obama out.

If none of "us" have any credibility, why do you keep reading this forum? Are you being compelled to go here against your will or are you just an intellectual masochist of some sort? Get some help, asshole.

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PkrBum wrote:Except for the reality that the FBI doesn't prosecute... it's a law enforcement agency.

Given Lynch's improper meeting and her given bias... a grand jury or special prosecutor should've been convened.


I'm sure you feel the same way about the Bush WH Karl Rove and all of them having a private server and losing thousands of emails? Right?

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Vikingwoman wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Except for the reality that the FBI doesn't prosecute... it's a law enforcement agency.

Given Lynch's improper meeting and her given bias... a grand jury or special prosecutor should've been convened.


I'm sure you feel the same way about the Bush WH Karl Rove and all of them having a private server and losing thousands of emails? Right?

Sure... I want accountability from govt... period.

See how that works?

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I didn't see you screaming for a grand jury and a special prosecutor for Bush,though? As a matter of fact you didn't say anything at all. I think we can rule out the partisan hack bits.

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Vikingwoman wrote:I didn't see you screaming for a grand jury and a special prosecutor for Bush,though? As a matter of fact you didn't say anything at all. I think we can rule out the partisan hack bits.

I joined the pnj in 2008 leading up to the election. I sure as hell didn't support his policies or admin after early 2002. He presided over one of the most progressive govt overreaches in our history... behind only fdr and Wilson and maybe Obama... if obamacaid gets dismantled. The only reason leftists don't love him is because he was a pub. Yea team..!!

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Vikingwoman wrote:I didn't see you screaming for a grand jury and a special prosecutor for Bush,though? As a matter of fact you didn't say anything at all. I think we can rule out the partisan hack bits.

I joined the pnj in 2008 leading up to the election. I sure as hell didn't support his policies or admin after early 2002. He presided over one of the most progressive govt overreaches in our history... behind only fdr and Wilson and maybe Obama... if obamacaid gets dismantled.  The only reason leftists don't love him is because he was a pub. Yea team..!!

What a stupid think to say. Bush was no progressive...in fact, he was regressive in multiple ways. Obamacare is safe for now, no thanks to small minded people like you. If you'll recall there were 32 Articles of Impeachment against Bush...but "leftists" only opposed him for having an "R"? Hey...SPORT...you're a dolt.

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Floridatexan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:I didn't see you screaming for a grand jury and a special prosecutor for Bush,though? As a matter of fact you didn't say anything at all. I think we can rule out the partisan hack bits.

I joined the pnj in 2008 leading up to the election. I sure as hell didn't support his policies or admin after early 2002. He presided over one of the most progressive govt overreaches in our history... behind only fdr and Wilson and maybe Obama... if obamacaid gets dismantled.  The only reason leftists don't love him is because he was a pub. Yea team..!!

What a stupid think to say.  Bush was no progressive...in fact, he was regressive in multiple ways.  Obamacare is safe for now, no thanks to small minded people like you.  If you'll recall there were 32 Articles of Impeachment against Bush...but "leftists" only opposed him for having an "R"?  Hey...SPORT...you're a dolt.

Every Bush "solution" required a govt intervention and expansion. Progressivism by any definition.

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PkrBum wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:I didn't see you screaming for a grand jury and a special prosecutor for Bush,though? As a matter of fact you didn't say anything at all. I think we can rule out the partisan hack bits.

I joined the pnj in 2008 leading up to the election. I sure as hell didn't support his policies or admin after early 2002. He presided over one of the most progressive govt overreaches in our history... behind only fdr and Wilson and maybe Obama... if obamacaid gets dismantled.  The only reason leftists don't love him is because he was a pub. Yea team..!!

What a stupid think to say.  Bush was no progressive...in fact, he was regressive in multiple ways.  Obamacare is safe for now, no thanks to small minded people like you.  If you'll recall there were 32 Articles of Impeachment against Bush...but "leftists" only opposed him for having an "R"?  Hey...SPORT...you're a dolt.

Every Bush "solution" required a govt intervention and expansion. Progressivism by any definition.

I think the problem here is that you don't understand the root word: PROGRESS

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Floridatexan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:I didn't see you screaming for a grand jury and a special prosecutor for Bush,though? As a matter of fact you didn't say anything at all. I think we can rule out the partisan hack bits.

I joined the pnj in 2008 leading up to the election. I sure as hell didn't support his policies or admin after early 2002. He presided over one of the most progressive govt overreaches in our history... behind only fdr and Wilson and maybe Obama... if obamacaid gets dismantled.  The only reason leftists don't love him is because he was a pub. Yea team..!!

What a stupid think to say.  Bush was no progressive...in fact, he was regressive in multiple ways.  Obamacare is safe for now, no thanks to small minded people like you.  If you'll recall there were 32 Articles of Impeachment against Bush...but "leftists" only opposed him for having an "R"?  Hey...SPORT...you're a dolt.

Every Bush "solution" required a govt intervention and expansion. Progressivism by any definition.

I think the problem here is that you don't understand the root word:  PROGRESS


Your idea of progress is subjective... as is your apparent idea of progressivism.

At the root... progressivism is govt solutions for literally everything.

Social especially... see bush2: patriot act, Medicare prescription expansion, bailouts... etc.

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https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2010/04/14/7677/the-progressive-intellectual-tradition-in-america/

The Progressive Intellectual Tradition in America

Part One of the Progressive Tradition Series

What is progressivism?

Progressivism at its core is grounded in the idea of progress—moving beyond the status quo to more equal and just social conditions consistent with original American democratic principles such as freedom, equality, and the common good. Progressivism as an intellectual movement emerged between 1890 and 1920 as a response to the multitude of problems associated with the industrialization of the U.S. economy—frequent economic depressions, political corruption, rising poverty, low wages, poor working conditions, tenement living, child labor, lack of collective bargaining power, unsafe consumer products, and the misuse of natural resources.

The original Progressive Era is known primarily for two major developments in American politics:

One, political reforms crafted to break up the power of privileged interests, such as expanded suffrage, direct primaries, direct election of senators, and the initiative and referendum process

Two, economic reforms structured to counterbalance the excessive power of business and to fight inequality measures such as the graduated income and inheritance taxes, the right to organize and other labor protections, unemployment insurance, worker’s compensation, old age and disability provisions, food and drug safety laws, and conservation measures

[...]

Bush was no progressive.

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3) The federal reserve act... that turned the dollar into a fiat currency controlled by private wealthy elitists. Prior to this Congress coined currency with no debt or interest owed. Later... Keynesian economics that prolonged the great depression and became the rationalization for govt debt. (how convenient considering the Fed reserve act).

4) Eugenics... the systematic sterilization of "inferior" poor and minorities. Quickly transitioned into planned parenthood... disguised as empowerment.

5) Close ties and adoration of fascism... to include Hitler.

6) Now we see the pretense of "progressivism" dropping as the socialist agenda is revealed.

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PkrBum wrote:3) The federal reserve act... that turned the dollar into a fiat currency controlled by private wealthy elitists. Prior to this Congress coined currency with no debt or interest owed. Later... Keynesian economics that prolonged the great depression and became the rationalization for govt debt. (how convenient considering the Fed reserve act).

4) Eugenics... the systematic sterilization of "inferior" poor and minorities. Quickly transitioned into planned parenthood... disguised as empowerment.

5) Close ties and adoration of fascism... to include Hitler.

6) Now we see the pretense of "progressivism" dropping as the socialist agenda is revealed.

Can anyone suggest a deprogramming regimen for little PkrBoy?

He's obviously lost the ability to think independently and is, apparently, impervious to reason. His latest nonsense is just drivel.

The poor man needs help, any suggestions?

Other than a tinfoil hat, of course.

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He lost me at comparing Planned Parenthood to eugenics. That must be the the table of contents for Anarchists 101.

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Vikingwoman wrote:He lost me at comparing Planned Parenthood to eugenics. That must be the the table of contents for Anarchists 101.

I wonder if he's got dementia or something? No rational adult could really believe the crap he posts.

Honestly, it's kinda sad, when you think about it.

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Floridatexan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:I didn't see you screaming for a grand jury and a special prosecutor for Bush,though? As a matter of fact you didn't say anything at all. I think we can rule out the partisan hack bits.

I joined the pnj in 2008 leading up to the election. I sure as hell didn't support his policies or admin after early 2002. He presided over one of the most progressive govt overreaches in our history... behind only fdr and Wilson and maybe Obama... if obamacaid gets dismantled.  The only reason leftists don't love him is because he was a pub. Yea team..!!

What a stupid think to say.  Bush was no progressive...in fact, he was regressive in multiple ways.  Obamacare is safe for now, no thanks to small minded people like you.  If you'll recall there were 32 Articles of Impeachment against Bush...but "leftists" only opposed him for having an "R"?  Hey...SPORT...you're a dolt.

LOL - perhaps you could really research something before throwing it out there.

"Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) introduced 35 articles of impeachment against President Bush on Monday night, reading the resolution into the Congressional Record.
Kucinich, who unsuccessfully sought the Democratic presidential nomination this year, unveiled a litany of alleged illegal and improper acts by Bush, including war crimes.

Kucinich has introduced a similar impeachment resolution against Vice President Cheney. That resolution was referred to the House Judiciary Committee, which has taken no action on the measure. Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other top House Democratic leaders have stated that there will be no consideration of impeachment proceedings against Bush, calling the idea "off the table."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kucinich-offers-impeachment-articles-against-bush/

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America still wins praise for its people, culture and civil liberties

BY RICHARD WIKE, BRUCE STOKES, JACOB POUSHTER AND JANELL FETTEROLF

"Although he has only been in office a few months, Donald Trump’s presidency has had a major impact on how the world sees the United States. Trump and many of his key policies are broadly unpopular around the globe, and ratings for the U.S. have declined steeply in many nations. According to a new Pew Research Center survey spanning 37 nations, a median of just 22% has confidence in Trump to do the right thing when it comes to international affairs. This stands in contrast to the final years of Barack Obama’s presidency, when a median of 64% expressed confidence in Trump’s predecessor to direct America’s role in the world..."


http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/


What are "publics?"

NPAatall wrote:What are "publics?"

Publics is the plural of public. DUH!

I presume you have enough intelligence to look up the word "public"--although, apparently, even that is no sure bet.

What a dolt! No wonder you believe the crazy shit you post.

I weep for the children!

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Good article on the decline of America's international stature under Trump.

One danger of taking a lot of time off from work is that during your absence, people learn to get along without you. When you come back, you're no longer as relevant, because the place has adjusted. Someone else in the workplace has taken over the tasks you were responsible for and their value has risen while yours has fallen.

That could happen to America, directly as a result of Trump giving other countries the opportunity to fill the void in leadership he's leaving.

This was completely avoidable. Obama had strengthened our economy and was respected in the international community. America was still seen as the world leader.

But, in six months, and mostly out of spite and self-obsession, Trump has undone that. Just to please his troglodyte base, who believe nothing could happen because a bearded ghost in a nightgown is watching over the universe, he completely abdicated leadership on global warming and made the U.S. look like a bunch of hooting bronze-age halfwits. Then Trump handed a huge trade deal over to China, India, Russia, and Brazil, who'll fill in America's void in Europe. Our economy will decline drastically because of this once it takes effect, but, hey, he just had to prove he was different than Obama, right? His base -- who don't understand basic things, even though they have strong opinions about all of them -- demanded it.

But, everybody's entertained by the reality show, right? Whoo-hoo, TV ratings are up! Gotta have drama! Fuck the bread, double down on the circus!

According to a recent Pew Research Center survey of 37 countries, people around the world increasingly believe that they can make do without America. Trump’s presidency is making the United States something worse than just feared or derided. It is becoming irrelevant.


Trump has managed to do something that Putin could not. He has unified Europe. As the continent faces the challenges of Trump, Brexit and populism, a funny thing has happened. Support for Europe among its residents has risen, and plans for deeper European integration are underway. If the Trump administration proceeds as it has promised and initiates protectionist measures against Europe, the continent’s resolve will only strengthen. Under the combined leadership of Merkel and new French President Emmanuel Macron, Europe will adopt a more activist global agenda. Its economy has rebounded and is now growing as fast as that of the United States.

To America’s north, Canada’s foreign minister recently spoke out, in a friendly and measured way, noting that the United States has clearly signaled that it is no longer willing to bear the burdens of global leadership, leaving it to countries such as Canada to stand up for a rules-based international system, free trade and human rights.

China’s leadership began taking advantage of Trump’s rhetoric and foreign policy right from the start, announcing that it was happy to play the role of chief promoter of trade and investment around the world, cutting deals with countries from Latin America to Africa to Central Asia. According to the Pew survey, seven of 10 European countries now believe that China is the world’s leading economic power, not the United States.

The most dismaying of Pew’s findings is that the drop in regard for America goes well beyond Trump. Sixty-four percent of the people surveyed expressed a favorable view of the United States at the end of the Obama presidency. That has fallen to 49 percent now. Even when U.S. foreign policy was unpopular, people around the world still believed in America — the place, the idea. This is less true today.


All this and we're only six months in. Wait 'til the idiots policies actually start taking effect and things start crumbling. Enjoy that stock market while it lasts, because all indicators say we're all going to take such a hit you won't fucking believe it.

Putin knows what wrecked the USSR, and he wants the same to happen to us, just to level the playing field for him. So far, Trump has accommodated his plans to the letter.

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And without the U.S. to act as a global cop, enforcer and source of global political patronage, the odds on another World War go up daily. Trump might have single-handedly destroyed the Pax Americana and threatened world peace.

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Vikingwoman wrote:I didn't see you screaming for a grand jury and a special prosecutor for Bush,though? As a matter of fact you didn't say anything at all. I think we can rule out the partisan hack bits.

You Dems had control of Congress from 06-10, when didn't you do it?

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PkrBum wrote:Except for the reality that the FBI doesn't prosecute... it's a law enforcement agency.

Given Lynch's improper meeting and her given bias... a grand jury or special prosecutor should've been convened.


Water under the bridge . . . . shoulda coulda woulda . . . . yall live in the past and have become obsessive about perceived wrongs . . . . just sayin.

Then why did Obama start every speech with "it's the fault of Bush"

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NPAatall wrote:What are "publics?"

Publics is the plural of public. DUH!

I presume you have enough intelligence to look up the word "public"--although, apparently, even that is no sure bet.

What a dolt! No wonder you believe the crazy shit you post.

I weep for the children!


No comment, eh NPAatall? You chickenshit dimwit!

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Vikingwoman wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Except for the reality that the FBI doesn't prosecute... it's a law enforcement agency.

Given Lynch's improper meeting and her given bias... a grand jury or special prosecutor should've been convened.


I'm sure you feel the same way about the Bush WH Karl Rove and all of them having a private server and losing thousands of emails? Right?

66k emails like Hillary? TS/SCI like Hillary? Hardly the same.

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del.capslock wrote:
NPAatall wrote:What are "publics?"

Publics is the plural of public. DUH!

I presume you have enough intelligence to look up the word "public"--although, apparently, even that is no sure bet.

What a dolt! No wonder you believe the crazy shit you post.

I weep for the children!



No comment, eh NPAatall? You chickenshit dimwit!

Kiss your mom with that mouth?

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