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Latest health care bill collapses following Moran, Lee defections

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othershoe1030

othershoe1030

(CNN)Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell was handed devastating news Monday evening just hours after the Senate was gaveled back into session: Two more defections on his health care bill.

The dramatic and simultaneous announcement from Sens. Jerry Moran of Kansas and Mike Lee of Utah means McConnell officially does not have the votes to even begin debate on his legislation to overhaul the Affordable Care Act -- and that the Republican Party's years-long quest to kill former President Barack Obama's legacy accomplishment is, for the time being, halted without a path forward.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/17/politics/health-care-motion-to-proceed-jerry-moran-mike-lee/index.html

2seaoat



Susan Collins has hinted there may be as many as 10 defectors......I trust her implicitly. She has courage and cares about her constituents. She has the grit which could lead to higher office.......Dixiecrats be damned.

del.capslock

del.capslock

How many times did Trump promise to immediately repeal and replace Obamacare? What a putz! He has both houses of Congress and STILL can't get anything done.

I think he's getting a powerful lesson in how hard real governance is.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/btraven/

IMASOCK



2seaoat wrote:Susan Collins has hinted there may be as many as 10 defectors......I trust her implicitly.   She has courage and cares about her constituents.   She has the grit which could lead to higher office.......Dixiecrats be damned.

Believe it or not, if they can't redo the whole thing, I am not for lego blocking new parts to old parts. It irks me that they are rushing into this deal. If it takes two years it takes two years or even three. Just get it right unlike the democrats who rushed it through not knowing what it even said. Who in the hades votes for a bill they haven't read? Maybe there ought to be a law on that as well as a rider. Lawmakers must take a quiz on all legislation that they vote for and if they can't pass the quiz, then no freaking vote.

del.capslock

del.capslock

IMASOCK wrote: Just get it right unlike the democrats who rushed it through not knowing what it even said.

You're a liar!

“Twenty-five days of consecutive session on a bill that was partisan in the sense that Republicans were angry with it, but we still had the courage of our convictions to have a debate on the floor.”
— Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), remarks on the Senate floor, June 19, 2017

To highlight the secrecy of the GOP health-care deliberations, many Senate Democrats have pointed out that the debate over the Affordable Care Act was the second-longest consecutive session in Senate history. Schumer even sought a parliamentary inquiry on the claim, and it was confirmed by the presiding officer, Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa.)

“The Secretary of the Senate’s office notes that H.R. 3590 was considered on each of 25 consecutive days of session, and the Senate Library estimates approximately 169 hours in total consideration,” she said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/06/22/history-lesson-how-the-democrats-pushed-obamacare-through-the-senate/?utm_term=.d99588840198

http://www.flickr.com/photos/btraven/

polecat

polecat

The thing we had 8 years to come up with landed like a sock full of turds, but trust us, in 2 years we'll have something PERFECT! https://t.co/0LNLKO2wXQ Rex H

2seaoat



If the Auto industry worked like government, cars would double in price and their reliability would be non existent.   Government executed a plan for health care reform.  A candidate ran on the proposition that more Americans needed to be covered with health insurance, and those policies actually had to provide real coverage on things as simple as maternity coverage.  

The new vehicle was launched and immediately some elements in the company did not like the stiff handling and poor acceleration.  An investment of some additional designs could correct the car which was absolutely finding approval in the market, but the deficiencies needed to be addressed.....but instead a new CEO was appointed despite the public acceptance of the vehicle, and expanding sales of the product beyond market forecasts, and he promised to scrap the vehicle and replace it with something better.   After a couple of years of their dealer networks screaming and yelling that the car is meeting the public demand, and can't we all get along and fix the suspension and acceleration with minor design changes and additional investment, the CEO attempted to convince the public that the vehicle which was selling off the showrooms like hotcakes and meeting people's needs was a complete piece of junk.

This does not happen in the Auto industry, because they rationally understand that incremental and cooperative design changes are not static, but dynamic and instead of the CEO keeping his job and better serving their customers, government is more concerned with making more profits for some, and not cooperating because one party or the other would get an advantage.

Bipartisan fixing of the ACA however does not have the votes in the house, and is probably short in the senate, so instead we have a horrible trumpcare option which is being rejected while the needed adjustments to the ACA are not being completed.   A total cluster F.

PkrBum

PkrBum

Trump should just completely separate the private and public systems. It's nearly impossible to roll back free shit.

zsomething



The number of Trumpuppet idiots on Twitter echoing der leader's "just repeal it and don't replace it with anything" idea is pretty alarming. These people have no clue how things work. If you just took away that much health care the economy would crater, even aside from the human misery that would ensue.

dumpcare



zsomething wrote:The number of Trumpuppet idiots on Twitter echoing der leader's "just repeal it and don't replace it with anything" idea is pretty alarming.  These people have no clue how things work.  If you just took away that much health care the economy would crater, even aside from the human misery that would ensue.

Repeal won't happen. But they hold the purse strings to fund the subsidies and cost share reductions and may let it die. They will not win in 2018 or 2020 if this scenario happens.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

del.capslock wrote:
IMASOCK wrote: Just get it right unlike the democrats who rushed it through not knowing what it even said.

You're a liar!

“Twenty-five days of consecutive session on a bill that was partisan in the sense that Republicans were angry with it, but we still had the courage of our convictions to have a debate on the floor.”
— Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), remarks on the Senate floor, June 19, 2017

To highlight the secrecy of the GOP health-care deliberations, many Senate Democrats have pointed out that the debate over the Affordable Care Act was the second-longest consecutive session in Senate history. Schumer even sought a parliamentary inquiry on the claim, and it was confirmed by the presiding officer, Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa.)

“The Secretary of the Senate’s office notes that H.R. 3590 was considered on each of 25 consecutive days of session, and the Senate Library estimates approximately 169 hours in total consideration,” she said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/06/22/history-lesson-how-the-democrats-pushed-obamacare-through-the-senate/?utm_term=.d99588840198


Thank you so much for reminding everyone that the adoption of the ACA was not a quick process. Just because it passed without one Republican vote, this new law made it possible for millions of Americans to have healthcare.  It was not rammed down anyone's throat, a favorite phrase the R's like to throw out in hopes that doing so often enough will make it true.

It was known at the time of passage that it was not a perfect bill and would have to be adjusted over time to make improvements. Much of government policy works best when it is adjusted incrementally over time as the need arises rather than through drastic jarring measures, which would shock the system and cause disruption. It is not a fault of the ACA that it needs to be improved but rather a good foundation on which to build.

PkrBum

PkrBum

So now the pubs will do as they please without a single dem vote. Isn't that how it works now?

What's the big deal? Just sit back and swallow like the pubs had to.

Sal

Sal

IMASOCK wrote:
Believe it or not, if they can't redo the whole thing, I am not for lego blocking new parts to old parts.

This aptly demonstrates the depth of understanding regarding complex policies such as healthcare reform by the average Trump supporter ....

.... legos.

We get precisely the government we deserve.

Gawd help us.

polecat

polecat

One big reason I tell people not to watch Fox & Friends is you could end up as misinformed as the president of the United States.

 Why does Trump think health insurance costs $12/year? Because Gerber advertises life insurance for babies on Fox News for about that price.

del.capslock

del.capslock

PkrBum wrote:So now the pubs will do as they please without a single dem vote. Isn't that how it works now?

What's the big deal? Just sit back and swallow like the pubs had to.

There's a BIG difference.

Again, because apparently you didn't read it the first time:

“Twenty-five days of consecutive session on a bill that was partisan in the sense that Republicans were angry with it, but we still had the courage of our convictions to have a debate on the floor.”
— Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), remarks on the Senate floor, June 19, 2017

To highlight the secrecy of the GOP health-care deliberations, many Senate Democrats have pointed out that the debate over the Affordable Care Act was the second-longest consecutive session in Senate history. Schumer even sought a parliamentary inquiry on the claim, and it was confirmed by the presiding officer, Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa.)

“The Secretary of the Senate’s office notes that H.R. 3590 was considered on each of 25 consecutive days of session, and the Senate Library estimates approximately 169 hours in total consideration,” she said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/06/22/history-lesson-how-the-democrats-pushed-obamacare-through-the-senate/?utm_term=.d99588840198

http://www.flickr.com/photos/btraven/

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Not only did they lose votes; they were informed that they didn't meet the standard for reconciliation; they would have needed 60 votes.

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