I will do that next week when we visit it again. I love a good shake, and we are really happy because there is a whatburger near holly by the sea on our way back from the Gulf Breeze Lowes we can pick them up. I have to check the lot prices on Hidden Creek as a friend of mine paid cash 105k for a lot on the course during the boom and two weeks later the realtor called and told him she had an offer for 125k for his lot. I told him to take it, but he insisted that his dream for retirement was to live on a golf course. Well, they dropped in price by more than half, and both his kids and grandkids have now moved to California, and he is still holding on to the lot. I will check assessor's site and zillow to see where he is. He sold his condo in Navarre too late also, and really has been piszed at me when I sold at the top of the market. He is doing just fine financially, but is much more restrained in risk taking than we are, and his not taking a 20k profit in two weeks was insane for me to understand, but I will see what the appreciation has been. Holly by the sea always seemed like a nice place to retire, but we really do not want to be tied down to one location, but it would be closer to whataburger.