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Petition: Electoral College Electors: Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan


https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

On December 19, the Electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots. If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win. However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, they would simply pay a small fine - which we can be sure Clinton supporters will be glad to pay!
We are calling on the Electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton. Why?
Mr. Trump is unfit to serve. His scapegoating of so many Americans, and his impulsivity, bullying, lying, admitted history of sexual assault, and utter lack of experience make him a danger to the Republic.
Secretary Clinton WON THE POPULAR VOTE and should be President.
Hillary won the popular vote. The only reason Trump "won" is because of the Electoral College.
But the Electoral College can actually give the White House to either candidate. So why not use this most undemocratic of our institutions to ensure a democratic result?
SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE.
There is no reason Trump should be President.
"It's the 'People's Will'"
No. She won the popular vote.
"Our system of government under our Constitution says he wins"
No. Our Constitution says the Electors choose.
"Too many states prohibit 'Faithless Electors'"
24 states bind electors. If electors vote against their party, they usually pay a fine. And people get mad. But they can vote however they want and there is no legal means to stop them in most states.

PLEASE SIGN AND SHARE!

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Here's a list of members of the Electoral College:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/list-who-will-cast-a-formal-vote-for-president-2016-231235

Vikingwoman



It's already over and done. A petition is worthless.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

http://thompalmerpolitics.blogspot.com/2016/11/not-dead-yet-electors-may-defect-and_10.html

NOT DEAD YET - ELECTORS MAY DEFECT, AND WITH GOOD REASON AND JUSTIFICATION

By Thom Palmer
November 10, 2016

WHY WE SHOULD NOT ACCEPT THE RESULTS

Thomas Jefferson: "Use what we gave you"
I never thought I would feel that an election HERE could be invalid, and should be, and must be rejected. There was a coordinated effort by the Trump campaign in concert with Putin operatives and Wikileaks to keep the email issue alive, adding questions of honesty, which media was happy to profit from. Then there was the other part, which is clearly a coordinated effort between Paul Ryan and/or Jason Chaffetz, working through Giuliani, to bring back the FBI investigation which James Comey was happy to deliver, adding questions of pending prosecution with Hillary. Two separate illegal scandals, one involving espionage, the other involving election tampering by the FBI and GOP. Both involving the Trump campaign. This election was a farce, and a coup. I have fought like hell debunking the myths surrounding Hillary Clinton, her emails and the mountain of manufactured "scandals", all which have been disproven long ago. The political character assassination of who the Republicans considered to be "the illegitimate President", Barack Obama (you know...the dark one), and the three decades long character assassination of Hillary Clinton.

The CURRENT President-Elect is under indictment on racketeering charges, and now under FBI investigation for working with a foreign government in order to influence our election. This was not a legitimate election. It's not supposed to happen in the United States, but it did. The Founding Fathers planned for this, and believe it or not, the firewall is THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE itself.

ELECTORAL COLLEGE EXPLAINED
The Electoral College is a group of 538 "Electors". They are bound, not by the Constitution but by policy to vote the way their individual states voted, all of their electoral votes to one candidate, based on the winner of the popular vote in their state. There is no law that actually requires them to do so. Some states may fine an elector that votes their conscience if they do not wish to cast their vote for the winner of their state. Two states, Maine and Nebraska cast their electoral votes based on how each Congressional district voted. On November 8th for example, Maine's system dictates that they will cast 3 votes for Clinton and 1 vote for Trump, in order to honor the popular vote within each district.

FAITHLESS ELECTORS
In the history of the nation, 150 electors have cast their votes for a different candidate than the one that won their state. Most recently in 1968 and 2004. They are known as "Faithless Electors'. These are members of the Electoral College who refuse to put their electoral vote toward the candidate who won in their state. This is rare, and in some states results in fines as a penalty should the elector vote for someone other than the candidate they are bound by. In 2004, one elector cast their vote for John Edwards in a protest vote, even though he was bound to vote for Kerry. Bush had already won with a relative landslide, and there were no repercussions against the elector. There has never been a penalty imposed on an elector who defected. If an elector, for moral reason cannot cast their vote for the winner of the electoral votes in the election, there is no federal law preventing them from voting as their conscience demands.

HOW MANY WOULD NEED TO SWITCH
42 out of Trumps 279 electors would need to defect in order to put Clinton in the White House or 10 to throw the election into the hands of the House of Representatives, which in this case would still end up giving the election to a Republican...but more than likely NOT Trump.

PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF POWER
The purpose of the Electoral College was to make sure that, if the average American lacks enough information about the candidates to make an intelligent decision, the Electoral College would always have the ability to over-ride the vote.

In this case, we're not talking about "lack of information". We're talking about the real possibility of election tampering by the Trump campaign in conjunction with the GOP and FBI, and also election changing espionage and falsifications between the Trump campaign, Russian operatives and Wikileaks. Currently, the President-Elect is going through legal battles on racketeering charges, and also under FBI investigation on espionage, working with foreign operatives to put him in power.

THE FOUNDING FATHERS DEMAND WE TRY
So, it is demanded by the Founding Fathers that we use the Electoral College, if at all possible, to avoid fascism, or to keep dictators and foreign government from seizing power over the United States of America. Democracy was nuked in this election cycle, and there is still one way to restore it.

STAY TUNED. This is a fluid article, where more information will be added, updates will be given, and progress if any will be announced. I realize this sounds like a revolution attempt. It is not. It is simply an attempt to right a wrong, and use the Constitution of the United States as the Founding Fathers intended.

HOMEWORK FOR YOU TO DO
Time is short. Obtain contact information on the Electors in your state. Especially, but not limited to states with Democratic legislatures that ended up voting for Trump. These states would have the most Electors who may be willing to defect, and refuse to cast their votes for Trump on December 19th, when the Electoral College convenes to vote for the next President of the United States, leader of the free world, and holder of the nuclear codes. I will publish them here once I have all the info.

LOOK FOR PETITIONS, and sign them.
Look, I realize this is unprecedented, but with democracy on the line.....it's worth the effort.

SUPPORTING INFORMATION
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/us/politics/the-electoral-college-is-hated-by-many-so-why-does-it-endure.html?_r=0

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html


http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2016/10/who-are-the-electors-in-the-electoral-college/

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-electoral-college-texas-chris-suprun-227422

http://www.politico.com/magazine/thepeoplewhopickthepresident/2016

http://state.1keydata.com/state-electoral-votes.php

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html

QUOTES

"The founding fathers sought to ensure that residents in states with smaller populations were not ignored. And in an era that pre-dated mass media and even political parties, they were concerned that average Americans would lack enough information about the candidates to make intelligent choices. So informed “electors” would stand in for them."

"Some states have discussed a possibility that would not necessarily require amending the Constitution: jettisoning the winner-takes-all system, in which a single candidate is awarded all of a state’s electoral votes — regardless of the popular vote — and instead apportioning them to reflect the breakdown of each state’s popular vote. Two states, Maine and Nebraska, already do this. But even that approach could face a constitutional challenge from opponents, said Laurence H. Tribe, a professor at Harvard Law School."


"There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their states. Some states, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by state law and those bound by pledges to political parties."

"The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties' nominees. Some state laws provide that so-called "faithless Electors" may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged."

"Today, it is rare for Electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party's candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party."

Posted by Thom Palmer at 9:34 AM

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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Zero chance of that ever happening.

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2seaoat



I am beginning to fully understand the crazies after President Obama was elected. Look, it is very simple. A better team lost the game. It happens in sports, it happens in love, and it happens in business. It will not be the end of the world, and my belief is strong that in order to draw the cockroaches out, you need to turn the lights off for a period of time.

I also believe that some good things for America will be passed now which were obstructed by Republicans because like this nonsense about the electoral college, some folks just could not let President Obama be dominant by doing good things for America.

Guest


Guest

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Zero chance of that ever happening.

True... even in a perfect climate of dem control of each branch of govt (the opposite is true)... the majority of states are also pub. This is stale fodder for now useless idiots. Enjoy your cud comrades... lol.

Telstar

Telstar

PkrBum wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Zero chance of that ever happening.

True... even in a perfect climate of dem control of each branch of govt (the opposite is true)... the majority of states are also pub.  This is stale fodder for now useless idiots. Enjoy your cud comrades... lol.


Always great to hear the opinion of the reich. Thanks for checking in quisling.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Vikingwoman wrote:It's already over and done. A petition is worthless.

You work with what you have. Right now, anything is possible.

Memorandum To: President Barack Obama, Vice President Joseph Biden, Senator Harry Reid, Senator Dianne Feinstein, Senator Patrick Leahy, Senator Elizabeth Warren, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, Congressman Keith Ellison

By: Scott Dworkin Re: Ties Between President-elect Trump and Russia, Contrary to FBI Conclusion Date: November 10, 2016

Dear Mr. President and Democratic Leadership-

Over the past few months the Democratic Coalition has taken extraordinary measures to disseminate the following information to the American public regarding the relationship between President-elect Donald Trump and Russia. It is incumbent upon myself and our coalition to ensure that you are made fully aware of the ten pieces of evidence that follow. This evidence calls into question the recent conclusion made by the FBI, which stated that there was no clear connection between President-elect Trump and Russia to be found. As you will see, there are many pieces of clear, direct connections between the President-elect, Vladimir Putin, and the country of Russia. Please note that this is the limited evidence that we have gathered to date, and is by no means a comprehensive report on the President-elect’s relationship with the country. In solidarity, Scott J. Dworkin

[...]
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/11/obama-now-looking-trumps-ties-russia-fbi-ignored/


gatorfan



PkrBum wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Zero chance of that ever happening.

True... even in a perfect climate of dem control of each branch of govt (the opposite is true)... the majority of states are also pub.  This is stale fodder for now useless idiots. Enjoy your cud comrades... lol.

But don't you enjoy reading the rants of mouth breathing tin-foilers who get their news (and false expectations) from far left radical web sites? I find it hilarious personally. I believe something like 37 electoral representatives would have to change their vote for HRC to succeed with 270. I don't think she would even be willing to play this game.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

There will not be another election. Get over it.

Vikingwoman



The only way I believe this election would ever be changed is if there was irrefutable evidence the Russians colluded w/ Trump on the Wikileaks in order to get him elected. Then he would be impeached and I don't know what would happen.

Markle

Markle

Vikingwoman wrote:The only way I believe this election would ever be changed is if there was irrefutable evidence the Russians colluded w/ Trump on the Wikileaks in order to get him elected. Then he would be impeached and I don't know what would happen.

It won't happen but if for whatever reason Donald Trump was not in the office, Mike Pence would instantly become President. Following that, Pence would appoint a successor to be Vice President.

The Democrats LOST, they chose a deeply flawed candidate and followed their ELITE LEADERS like lemmings going to the sea.

RealLindaL



Markle wrote:The Democrats...chose a deeply flawed candidate .

And the Republicans didn't??? Give me a friggin' break. This Trump person has so many flaws I wouldn't know where to start.

Yes, yes, he will be the next president, fortunately for you. That's because he was a perfect demagogue during the campaign, appealing to the worst, basest emotions and fears of his followers - who are likely going to be sorely disappointed when he doesn't fulfill their dreams of financial well-being. He's also on record as having no compunction whatever about any of the awful things he said during the campaign -- simply because he won. That's ALL that matters with this man -- winning at all costs, even if it means lying and/or making nasty remarks day after day. What a lesson for our children.
You must be SO proud.

Vikingwoman



If I were a republican I would have rather lost to Hillary than have Trump as President. He's that bad.

Guest


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RealLindaL wrote:
Markle wrote:The Democrats...chose a deeply flawed candidate .

And the Republicans didn't???  Give me a friggin' break.  This Trump person has so many flaws I wouldn't know where to start.

Yes, yes, he will be the next president, fortunately for you.   That's because he was a perfect demagogue during the campaign, appealing to the worst, basest emotions and fears of his followers - who are likely going to be sorely disappointed when he doesn't fulfill their dreams of financial well-being.  He's also on record as having no compunction whatever about any of the awful things he said during the campaign -- simply because he won.  That's ALL that matters with this man -- winning at all costs, even if it means lying and/or making nasty remarks day after day.  What a lesson for our children.
You must be SO proud.
Ohhhhh he says mean things ooohhhhhh

Hillary didn't try to win at all costs? She rigged it and still lost!

Our President (elect) didn't  spend most of the election cycle under FBI investigation. Maybe next time you figure that one out.



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The establishment Democrats are done. Now you guys will go even further left ensuring you never get a Dem in the WH.

2seaoat



I think intelligent people will wait to the legislative initiatives are presented in the first 100 days. I did not vote for President Obama and after 100 days of his administration and his policy choices, I found him to be an exceptional president. I despise the persona of Donald Trump, but until I see the proposals and legislative initiatives, I will hold my judgment. If he caves to the lobbyist and the wealthy and eliminates the estate tax and runs up another 5 trillion with tax cuts for the wealthy without infrastructure, entitlement, and defense consolidation and retraction........then I will start firing away again......however, I think entitlements can be addressed, and like President Obama addressing health care, this could be Trump's legacy to make SS sound beyond 2034 which is less than 20 years out.

I also will have NO tolerance for an American child who knows nothing but American schools being deported with his or her family. I will become very involved in protest when children are put in boxcars, buses, or planes and taken from their country. However, again, there may actually be a working immigration reform which can be passed which at least has undocumented workers paying tax and working for citizenship. We could be surprised. Hell, President Obama spent two years sending olive branches to the Republicans before he realized they were going to obstruct everything, and now they will pass those things which everybody agrees and look like champions of the people.......but the 1% stuff......folks can figure that out.

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