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CIA Prepping for Possible Cyber Strike Against Russia... What is President Obama Doing Now?

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Markle

Markle

What is Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama planning to do now? Starting World War-III?

OCT 14 2016, 8:01 PM ET
CIA Prepping for Possible Cyber Strike Against Russia
by WILLIAM M. ARKIN, KEN DILANIAN and ROBERT WINDREM

U.S. Poised For Unprecedented Cyber Assault Targeting Russia 3:17

The Obama administration is contemplating an unprecedented cyber covert action against Russia in retaliation for alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cia-prepping-possible-cyber-strike-against-russia-n666636

Have things changed since my time in Vietnam? I always understood that a "COVERT" was secret. Other than those involved in the operation, NO ONE knew what was happening.

Is this what Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama considers "covert"? You know like he announces his date of surrender and everything he will NOT do?

2seaoat



The 16th largest economy is messing with America......what did you expect to happen........I think the CIA knows where Putin has diverted Russian wealth.....as Biden said......it will not be public. Putin has been President Obama's bitch for three years.

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As seaoat once said it is chess vs checkers and Putin is playing chess while Obama is playing checkers. O'dummer is out of his league

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2seaoat wrote:The 16th largest economy is messing with America......what did you expect to happen........I think the CIA knows where Putin has diverted Russian wealth.....as Biden said......it will not be public.  Putin has been President Obama's bitch for three years.
You're mistaken, that's the other way around moron. That's why America and the Russians are now at odds in Syria. Obama wants to play tough and at the end of his final term. He's been the pussy for almost eight years.

2seaoat



That's why America and the Russians are now at odds in Syria.

You actually have no historical knowledge. I will not waste my time explaining American foreign policy history, or what actually happened in the late sixties and early 70s.......your gaps in knowledge are scary......keep working hard in graduate school.....maybe at some point a light bulb will go off......I hope so, but it takes hard work to learn......and it is much easier to make chit up.

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2seaoat wrote:The 16th largest economy is messing with America......what did you expect to happen........I think the CIA knows where Putin has diverted Russian wealth.....as Biden said......it will not be public.  Putin has been President Obama's bitch for three years.

Amazing willful ignorance and delusion. I hope your wife is handling all of the important decisions.


President Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space.

President Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…

President Obama: This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.

President Medvedev: I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.

2seaoat



A president not facing reelection does have more flexibility. Of course this is a shock for people who are oblivious to how election attacks distort.......yep.....your boy is going down.....you ideology is going to get stomped the next eight years. America will get strong and fascism will get crushed.......but keep F'ing that chicken.........

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2seaoat wrote:A president not facing reelection does have more flexibility.  Of course this is a shock for people who are oblivious to how election attacks distort.......yep.....your boy is going down.....you ideology is going to get stomped the next eight years.   America will get strong and fascism will get crushed.......but keep F'ing that chicken.........

Fascism is exactly what you'll get... tho you'll call it progressivism or whatever. A collusion between enormous monied and corp interests that produces govt solutions via edicts and mandates... slowing tearing down our civil liberties and the constitution... and finally our sovereignty. Don't let that alarm you... you'll actually be cheering it along all the way.

Congratulations comrade... or whatever you want to call yourselves this time around. Yavol kommandant.

2seaoat



slowing tearing down our civil liberties and the constitution... and finally our sovereignty. Don't let that alarm you... you'll actually be cheering it along all the way.

Please give me five real life examples where in the last eight years you personally have lost rights and freedoms. Please be specific and link that loss of freedom to what you think caused the same. Not general ivory tower bull chit, but real world loss of freedom with examples of how you have lost civil liberties. I have lost no civil liberties in the last eight years. Not one, so I will await patiently for you to show me where somebody in government has taken my rights away.

RealLindaL



2seaoat wrote:Please give me five real life examples where in the last eight years you personally have lost rights and freedoms.   Please be specific and link that loss of freedom to what you think caused the same.  Not general ivory tower bull chit, but real world loss of freedom with examples of how you have lost civil liberties.  I have lost no civil liberties in the last eight years.  Not one, so I will await patiently for you to show me where somebody in government has taken my rights away.

I'll second that request.

2seaoat



I'll second that request.


See we can agree on the truth. Pk is a smart guy. I really believe he believes his freedoms are being taken away by progressives, but all I am asking is that he give specifics so I can better understand his resistance to what I consider are rational choices in government.

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RealLindaL wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Please give me five real life examples where in the last eight years you personally have lost rights and freedoms.   Please be specific and link that loss of freedom to what you think caused the same.  Not general ivory tower bull chit, but real world loss of freedom with examples of how you have lost civil liberties.  I have lost no civil liberties in the last eight years.  Not one, so I will await patiently for you to show me where somebody in government has taken my rights away.

I'll second that request.

Off the top of my head comrades:

1) The obamacaid individual mandate.

2) The obamacaid risk corridors to insurance corps.

3) Solendra... and there were lots of those.

4) The GM too big to fail bs... also several of those.

5) And two to finish... the Patriot act renewal... and the new infringements with the NDAA.

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The National Secretary of the Socialist Party USA:

"Barack Obama's programs are not socialist. The vast majority of his proposals are anti-worker (or he might say 'pro-business'). His health care proposals are more to save the for-profit insurance industry and do not have the goal of ending for-profit insurance. He has refused to support a Senate version of HR676, which would create a single-payer program (not socialist but much better than we have, and [which has] the support of labor and community organizations across the US). Many of his other economic proposals are pro-corporate.

"A socialist program (even a reformist one) would not be a program that props up capitalism when it fails, but one that transforms the economy. None of Senator Obama's proposals do that. Senator Obama's tax plan is regressive and even less 'progressive' than programs put forward under such conservative administrations like the one of Richard Nixon."

The National Secretary of the World Socialist Party:

"Obama is as much a socialist as the Pope is an atheist. Income redistribution isn't a socialist act. It might aid in ameliorating income disparities within a capitalist economy for a limited time. But the logic of capitalism demands the rich grow richer (more capitalization is needed) and the poor grow poorer (their work creates the needed capital used by the rich)."

Socialist Party Campaign Clearinghouse Coordinator:

"The idea that Barack Obama is socialist, or quasi-socialist, or semi-socialist, or socialist-light, or anything of the sort, is far-right nonsense. Barack Obama, like John McCain, is very much a 'politician as usual', fully committed to the continuation of the capitalist system and the expansion of its empire."

2seaoat



1) The obamacaid individual mandate.

Government collects taxes and spends those taxes which provide constitutionally for the general welfare of its citizens. How is paying taxes for roads, defense, education, and health care taking your individual constitutional rights away?

2) The obamacaid risk corridors to insurance corps.

I again repeat how does a tax and expenditure take away your constitutional rights. You are not connecting dots in a rational manner. If you said I do not like a policy. I get it, but you said your rights and freedoms have been taken away. So if I do not like military spending in a democracy, and they vote to spend the same, am I being deprived of my constitutional rights?

3) Solendra... and there were lots of those.



So government declares that they want to be energy independent and set policies which give tax credits for solar and wind, and some are successful and some fail. Are you saying your freedom and rights are taken away in a democracy because government has a bridge fail, a levee fail, or a solar cell producer fail? I am actually befuddled now with your expectation of what a democratic system is........it is not a guarantee that leadership will always be right in budget priorities and policies, but again......how do you connect the dots that this is a loss of your constitutional rights.


4) The GM too big to fail bs... also several of those.

Now I am totally confused. The auto bailout in America was a huge success. It saved taxpayers billions of dollars. So now when a policy is successful, your are arguing that you lost rights. You are making absolutely no sense confusing budget priorities with your loss of constitutional freedoms. We have always lived in a democracy, and simply not agreeing with policy is not a loss of rights.

And two to finish... the Patriot act renewal... and the new infringements with the NDAA

This is not a specific answer as to your actual loss of constitutional freedoms. Please be specific because this may be a legitimate concern, but again you never provide specifics which are logical and in your own words....you cut and paste something. please be specific.


RealLindaL



2seaoat wrote:You are making absolutely no sense

I think sea could've stopped right there, but applaud him for taking the time to seriously listen to and very logically respond to Pkr's concerns -- which, so far, as sea has pointed out, seem to have virtually nothing to do with the erosion of anyone's constitutional rights, though maybe something will yet be clarified as to the final point.

This all puts me in mind of the hysteria of people's running out and buying weapons to forestall the gun grab they were so certain was going to happen under Obama's watch.   I'm surprised more folks aren't claiming THOSE rights have been infringed, which, of course, they haven't in the least nor does anyone intend to do so.

RealLindaL



It's just so patently obvious to me that our nation has become a veritable cesspool of paranoia. Obama was absolutely correct in his speech yesterday in which he stated, not in these exact words, that so many negative, fear-mongering voices from the right have been pounding in and pounding in and pounding in all these conspiracy theories about our government for so long that people have come to believe them. SO TRUE. And so awfully sad....

And meanwhile Trump tries to say that his campaign is the positive thinking side, and Clinton's the negative? Good holy grief.

Telstar

Telstar

RealLindaL wrote:It's just so patently obvious to me that our nation has become a veritable cesspool of paranoia.   Obama was absolutely correct in his speech yesterday in which he stated, not in these exact words, that so many negative, fear-mongering voices from the right have been pounding in and pounding in and pounding in all these conspiracy theories about our government for so long that people have come to believe them.  SO TRUE.  And so awfully sad....

And meanwhile Trump tries to say that his campaign is the positive thinking side, and Clinton's the negative?  Good holy grief.



Well put. Trump supporter who believes we are surrounded by lizard people lol!

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RealLindaL wrote:
2seaoat wrote:You are making absolutely no sense

I think sea could've stopped right there, but applaud him for taking the time to seriously listen to and very logically respond to Pkr's concerns -- which, so far, as sea has pointed out, seem to have virtually nothing to do with the erosion of anyone's constitutional rights, though maybe something will yet be clarified as to the final point.

This all puts me in mind of the hysteria of people's running out and buying weapons to forestall the gun grab they were so certain was going to happen under Obama's watch.   I'm surprised more folks aren't claiming THOSE rights have been infringed, which, of course, they haven't in the least nor does anyone intend to do so.

Fascism is largely an economic model... that is what was consistent. It's basically socialism with the pretense of a free market... and even ownership. The structure is a very large and in charge central govt authority. Obamacaid is a perfect example... tho seagoat won't admit it.

I caught a cold yesterday (first one in years). So I'm not going to go over all this again today. It's a long debate... because poor seagoat doesn't even understand the objective measure of Fascism. He thinks Hitler is closer on a political scale to someone like our Jefferson or Franklin... than say Stalin or Mao.

It's a complete willful ignorance. I can't stand it today.

2seaoat



I mean I get it if in the patriot act PK's phone was tapped without a warrant. I applaud him if he has proof of the same and he is diligently working to change the abuse of government concerning our fourth amendment rights, but this generic I have lost constitutional rights under the patriot act......please, I have not read the act for years and I am not familiar with the amendments, but I am all ears about rights pK has lost under that act. That is a worthy discusiion but it involves pointing out specific provisions which have abused citizens.....this is important because the devil is in the detail.....I am all ears for that kind of educated and thoughtful discussion, but the bubba land that their is a huge government conspiracy and our system is rigged is not rational and is just more fear mongering.

2seaoat



Fascism is largely an economic model..

That is patently false. It is conceptually sophomoric and it fails any science of political concepts which professionals try to define political and economic events. Fascism is not an economic model.

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

This definition is recognized by political science. Having written my thesis on economic integration in Latin America, I can tell you each of the fascist regimes in Latin America had different economic models. You and every uneducated person who swallows the clever fascist propaganda that fascism is not authoritarian and nationalistic right wing politics, but socialism are simply rubes or intentionally taking part in the charade. Please learn political concepts and the science which has defined the same.

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2seaoat wrote:I mean I get it if in the patriot act PK's phone was tapped without a warrant.  I applaud him if he has proof of the same and he is diligently working to change the abuse of government concerning our fourth amendment rights, but this generic I have lost constitutional rights under the patriot act......please, I have not read the act for years and I am not familiar with the amendments, but I am all ears about rights pK has lost under that act.  That is a worthy discusiion but it involves pointing out specific provisions which have abused citizens.....this is important because the devil is in the detail.....I am all ears for that kind of educated and thoughtful discussion, but the bubba land that their is a huge government conspiracy and our system is rigged is not rational and is just more fear mongering.

You completely ignore the tide against liberty. In the last 20 years our rights have been abused. The govt is doing things today they have never done before. From collecting data on innocent citizens, to forcing us with the weight of govt force to purchase an ins product, illegal searches, illegal road blocks 100 miles from the border, touching our junk, the police state, assassinating a citizen with no due process, and the ndaa gives away some rights conferring drones and shit. Just say you don't care... you have faith in the all mighty govt. You know... if you think about it... the govt should seize all power. Liberty is really the only limit that inhibits glorious govt solutions. Ultimate govt power is utopia... I can't wait.

RealLindaL



Telstar wrote:Well put. Trump supporter who believes we are surrounded by lizard people lol!

Thanks, Tel. That video would indeed be laughable if it weren't so frighteningly typical of the exact kind of thing I was speaking of above. Nutcases like this guy are so sure they're right, and don't realize they are precisely the ones ruining the nation and the morale of the people. It's just that simple.

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2seaoat wrote:Fascism is largely an economic model..

That is patently false.  It is conceptually sophomoric and it fails any science of political concepts which professionals try to define political and economic events.   Fascism is not an economic model.  

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

This definition is recognized by political science.  Having written my thesis on economic integration in Latin America, I can tell you each of the fascist regimes in Latin America had  different economic models.   You and every uneducated person who swallows the clever fascist propaganda that fascism is not authoritarian and nationalistic right wing politics, but socialism are simply rubes or intentionally taking part in the charade.  Please learn political concepts and the science which has defined the same.

If you can answer these questions correctly... we can have this talk... again.

Which one doesn't belong?

A) George Washington
B) John Adams
C) Adolf Hitler

List these figures from least authoritative, dictatorial, and socially strict as a measure of their govt controls both economic and social... to most:

Reagan
Stalin
JFK
Mao
B.Clinton
Hitler



2seaoat



Your questions are absurd until you define the components of your definition of authoritative.

Hitler was German and Adam and Washington were Americans. Hitler does not belong, but again if you decide to make your criteria of classification as to how tall those men are, or what color hair they had, and who had natural teeth, the classification changes.....so you need definitions to make comparisons.

Stalin, and Mao were communist authoritarian regimes. They pretended to be one thing, but in the end they were simple dictatorships with brutal and complete power in the top man.

Hitler was a fascist authoritarian regime. He pretended to be one thing, but in the end he was a simple dictator with brutal and complete power in the top man.

Reagan, JFK, and Clinton were elected in a Democracy bound by laws and a constitution which provided checks and balances on unfettered power. They were not authoritarian regimes, and they actually ruled with consent of the population and the balance of power established in our constitution.

Now I will have to endure non scientific gibberish where lines of classification are not scientific or accepted by political scientist. like somebody going to a football game who has never seen a football game defining what is happening on the field and what each role was of the game they observed.....science is repeatable and a hypothesis in political science can be proven with historical facts. Proceed.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:The 16th largest economy is messing with America......what did you expect to happen........I think the CIA knows where Putin has diverted Russian wealth.....as Biden said......it will not be public.  Putin has been President Obama's bitch for three years.

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