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One more time for those who are slow on the uptake. (Planned Parenthood)

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http://www.npr.org/2016/01/28/464594826/in-wake-of-videos-planned-parenthood-investigations-find-no-fetal-tissue-sales


Read: This was investigated by 12 states. The outcomes were all the same. Stand corrected.


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What happened to those who still believe that Planned Parenthood sells fetal tissue?

Are we good now?


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Florida

In July 2015, Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott ordered a state investigation to see whether Planned Parenthood was "selling body parts," Politico Florida reported at the time. On Aug. 5, the agency investigating the clinics released its findings, saying that none of the state's Planned Parenthood sites had been selling tissue or body parts. However, the investigation did find that one clinic out of Florida's 16 wasn't correctly keeping its records of fetal remains. In addition, three were found to have been performing second-trimester abortions while only being licensed to perform abortions in the first trimester, according to Politico. Planned Parenthood disputed this, arguing that the state had changed the rules on how it measured the first trimester, as Reuters reported. Though it briefly looked like the state and Planned Parenthood agreed on the issue, Politico reported, the organization was fined in September 2015.

Georgia

Republican Gov. Nathan Deal on July 16, 2015, asked the state's Departments of Community Health and Public Health to investigate whether Planned Parenthood was engaging in the "horrific practice" that the CMP's videos claimed to depict. On Aug. 13, the Department of Public Health reported that all five of the clinics had "proper procedures in place for burial or internment of [fetal] remains," as NPR member station WABE reported.

Indiana

In July 2015, Republican Gov. Mike Pence asked the state Department of Health to investigate the state's Planned Parenthood clinics, to see whether they were engaging in any sale of fetal tissue, local TV station WTHR reported. Weeks later, the department said it had "concluded there was no evidence of this type of activity" at three Planned Parenthood facilities in the state, as the Indianapolis Star reported.

Kansas

On July 21, 2015, Republican Gov. Sam Brownback asked his state's Board of Healing Arts "to address the issue of sale of tissue and organs from the unborn" at Planned Parenthood facilities, the Topeka Capital-Journal reported. This month, the board said it had "determined no further action would be taken at this time," per the Associated Press.

Massachusetts

On July 17, 2015, Republican state Rep. James Lyons sent a letter to Democratic state Attorney General Maura Healey, asking her to launch an investigation into whether Planned Parenthood was participating in fetal tissue sales like those the CMP video purported to show, as the Boston Herald reported. On July 29, Healey responded in a statement that the state's Planned Parenthood sites were "fully compliant with state and federal laws regarding the disposition of fetal tissue" and were not participating in any fetal tissue donation, though it is legal in that state, as the Boston Globe reported.

Michigan

On July 16, 2015, Republican state Sen. Phil Pavlov asked the state to investigate "to determine whether or not any Michigan-based facilities have participated in the horrifying sale of babies' body parts," MLive reported. In October, the two departments handling the investigations issued a statement, saying that "there is no evidence to date that illegal practices are occurring," MLive reported.

Missouri

On July 21, 2015, Democratic Attorney General Chris Koster started an investigation, saying that "the questions raised by [CMP's] videos require careful review," local TV station KMBC reported. In September, a release from Koster's office said the investigation turned up no "irregularities involving the transmission, examination, or disposal of the fetal organs and tissue" from abortions at the state's one clinic that performed surgical abortions, as the New York Times reported.

Nevada

In September 2015, Nevada Republican Attorney General Adam Laxalt sent a letter to Nevada Planned Parenthood facilities. Mentioning the videos, the letter asked the sites about their abortion procedures and also asked if they donate fetal tissue, as the AP reported. In December 2015, his office closed the investigation, saying that the facilities weren't performing surgical abortions and that there also wasn't evidence of tissue donation, according to the AP.

Ohio


In mid-July 2015, Ohio Republican Attorney General Mike DeWine announced that he was launching an investigation into whether any Planned Parenthood clinics in the state were selling fetal parts, according to Cleveland.com. In December, the state released the investigation, revealing that there was no evidence of any such sales. However, investigators did find that fetal remains were disposed of via incinerators or landfills, which, while not illegal, DeWine claimed "violate[d] Ohio administrative code," as Cleveland.com reported. (An Ohio Planned Parenthood official disputed his claim.)

Pennsylvania

In July, two Republican state legislators asked the state attorney general to investigate whether Planned Parenthood in Pennsylvania was selling fetal tissue, Philly.com reported. In August, state Health Secretary Karen Murphy responded in a letter that there was no evidence that any Pennsylvania facilities were buying, selling or donating fetal tissue, as The Hill reports.

South Dakota

In July 2015, Republican state Attorney General Marty Jackley instructed the state Health Department to investigate whether fetal tissue sales were occurring at Planned Parenthood, the AP reported. On Aug. 11, 2015, Jackley told the Associated Press that "there are no reports, complaints or inspection records that would demonstrate any evidence (of) illegal activity in South Dakota at this time."

Washington

In late July 2015, 34 Republican lawmakers wrote a letter asking Democratic Attorney General Bob Ferguson to investigate whether the state's Planned Parenthood clinics were selling fetal parts, the Seattle Times reported. In November, Ferguson reported that the state had found no evidence that the state's affiliates were selling fetal tissue. Washington is home to one of only two clinics (the other being in California) that Planned Parenthood says currently donate any fetal tissue to researchers.

In addition, eight states (California, Colorado, Delaware, Idaho, Iowa, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Virginia) decided not to pursue investigations into the videos' allegations.

Investigations Still Ongoing

Not that the investigations are over — Arizona and Louisiana, for example, still have investigations in progress, according to Planned Parenthood. And in Texas, Abbott likewise said after this week's indictment that a state investigation into Planned Parenthood will continue.

"The Health and Human Service Commission's inspector general and the attorney general's office have an ongoing investigation into Planned Parenthood's actions," Abbott said. "Nothing about today's announcement in Harris County impacts the state's ongoing investigation."

In addition, the Ohio Senate this week voted to block government funding to Planned Parenthood. CMP's videos factored heavily into the debate over that bill, which will go to Republican Gov. John Kasich, who is firmly anti-abortion and is expected to sign it.


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http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/planned-parenthood-fetal-tissue-reimbursement/index.html

Washington (CNN)—Planned Parenthood announced Tuesday that it would no longer accept reimbursement for fetal tissue used for research.

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PkrBum wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/planned-parenthood-fetal-tissue-reimbursement/index.html

Washington (CNN)—Planned Parenthood announced Tuesday that it would no longer accept reimbursement for fetal tissue used for research.


Accepting reimbursement for costs incurred in the procurement, handling, and shipping of fetal tissue is not the same thing as "selling" fetal tissue.  This has now been determined by the 12 states that I mentioned.

Do you understand the difference between a non-profit organization getting reimbursed for costs incurred in providing fetal tissue and the outright selling of fetal tissue? Do you honestly not know what the word 'reimbursement' means?


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You can call it a gratuity for all I fucking care. You dimwits think wording changes meaning all the time. The tapes weren't dubbed... the pp officials made themselves perfectly clear. There are also unedited versions that I've shown you several times.

And since you so enjoy beating dead horses... I've also said that I don't personally have an issue with making the tissue useful. The baby has already been killed... sell them in grocery stores in the meat section if that floats your boat... fuckwad.

What I don't like is pretending it isn't what it is... that's what makes you a useful idiot.

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PkrBum wrote:You can call it a gratuity for all I fucking care. You dimwits think wording changes meaning all the time. The tapes weren't dubbed... the pp officials made themselves perfectly clear. There are also unedited versions that I've shown you several times.

And since you so enjoy beating dead horses... I've also said that I don't personally have an issue with making the tissue useful. The baby has already been killed... sell them in grocery stores in the meat section if that floats your boat... fuckwad.

What I don't like is pretending it isn't what it is... that's what makes you a useful idiot.



It absolutely does change the meaning.  There is in fact a difference between selling something and being reimbursed for costs incurred.  Planned Parenthood was being reimbursed for costs that they incurred in the procurement, handling, and shipping of fetal tissues.  They were not selling fetal tissues.  This was investigated by twelve states - all of which had an ax to grind - and all reached precisely the same conclusion.  

That you aren't able to understand this fairly clear distinction suggests that you're an idiot, which honestly comes as no surprise seeing as how this has been very well  established over the years on this forum.  After all, you're a grown adult easing your way into old age and yet your peers with respect to political views are high school students and college freshmen, and you still use words like "fuckwad".  It's no wonder you're single.


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Perhaps a hypothetical scenario will help you understand the difference between selling something and being reimbursed for something.

Now, PkrBum, lets say that you're set up on on a date through E-Harmony.com.  You take your date out to dinner and when its time to pay, your debit card is declined due to insufficient funds.  How embarrassing.  Your date offers to pay in order to rectify the situation.   As you're dropping her off and she tells you that she isn't interested in seeing you again, you close by saying that you will reimburse her for the cost that she incurred in covering the dinner.

Now, when you eventually send her money to make good on that promise, has she sold anything to you?  Or, have you simply reimbursed her for her costs incurred on your date?

See the difference?


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