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Another example of what Progressives here DO NOT WANT TO DISCUSS THE COVER-UP OF RESCUE TO BENGHAZI.

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Judicial Watch: New Benghazi Email Shows DOD Offered State Department 'Forces that Could Move to Benghazi' Immediately -- Specifics Blacked Out in New Document
"They are spinning up as we speak." U.S. Department of Defense Chief of Staff Jeremy Bash Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 7:19 PM

Contact: Jill Farrell, Judicial Watch, 202-646-5172

WASHINGTON, Dec. 8, 2015 /Standard Newswire/ -- Judicial Watch today released a new Benghazi email from then-Department of Defense Chief of Staff Jeremy Bash to State Department leadership immediately offering "forces that could move to Benghazi" during the terrorist attack on the U.S. Special Mission Compound in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012. In an email sent to top Department of State officials, at 7:19 p.m. ET, only hours after the attack had begun, Bash says, "we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak." The Obama administration redacted the details of the military forces available, oddly citing a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) exemption that allows the withholding of "deliberative process" information.

Bash's email seems to directly contradict testimony given by then-Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta before the Senate Armed Services Committee in February 2013. Defending the Obama administration's lack of military response to the nearly six-hour-long attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Panetta claimed that "time, distance, the lack of an adequate warning, events that moved very quickly on the ground prevented a more immediate response."

The first assault occurred at the main compound at about 9:40 pm local time – 3:40 p.m. ET in Washington, DC. The second attack on a CIA annex 1.2 miles away began three hours later, at about 12 am local time the following morning – 6 p.m. ET.

The newly released email reads:

From: Bash, Jeremy CIV SD [REDACTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:19 PM
To: Sullivan, Jacob J; Sherman, Wendy R; Nides, Thomas R
Cc: Miller, James HON OSD POLICY; Wienefeld, James A ADM JSC VCJCS; Kelly, John LtGen SD; martin, dempsey [REDACTED]
Subject: Libya

State colleagues:

I just tried you on the phone but you were all in with S [apparent reference to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton].

After consulting with General Dempsey, General Ham and the Joint Staff, we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak. They include a [REDACTED].

Assuming Principals agree to deploy these elements, we will ask State to procure the approval from host nation. Please advise how you wish to convey that approval to us [REDACTED].

Jeremy

Jacob Sullivan was Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at the time of the terrorist attack at Benghazi. Wendy Sherman was Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, the fourth-ranking official in the U.S. Department of State. Thomas Nides was the Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources.

The timing of the Bash email is particularly significant based upon testimony given to members of Congress by Gregory Hicks, Deputy Chief...

http://www.earnedmedia.org/judw12081.htm

PROGRESSIVES, WHY DID THE ADMINISTRATION LIE ABOUT THE POSSIBLE RESCUE OF THE PEOPLE AT BENGHAZI?

The answer is quite simple.  Semi-retired President Obama had just made a speech as to how HE had terrorists on the run and the election was just a few months away.

Floridatexan

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Markle wrote:http://www.earnedmedia.org/judw12081.htm

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2seaoat



When will Mr. Markle spend a little time on the mistakes which killed 4k American kids? It is 1000 fold, and is still killing people.

Markle

Markle

Just like I forecast.

The Progressives here have NOTHING and prove it AGAIN by posting NOTHING relevant to the FACTS POSTED.

Still they have nothing and they continue childishly grasping at straws.

Keep up the good work my friends. Y'all really are a hoot!

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Markle wrote:Just like I forecast.

The Progressives here have NOTHING and prove it AGAIN by posting NOTHING relevant to the FACTS POSTED.

Still they have nothing and they continue childishly grasping at straws.

Keep up the good work my friends.  Y'all really are a hoot!

Y'all really are a POS.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:Just like I forecast.

The Progressives here have NOTHING and prove it AGAIN by posting NOTHING relevant to the FACTS POSTED.

Still they have nothing and they continue childishly grasping at straws.

Keep up the good work my friends.  Y'all really are a hoot!

What it boils down to Semi Sane Markle, is whether or not you believe the President of the United States and his Secretary of State would purposefully deny sending aid to one of their ambassadors in a life threatening situation, just to protect a political image of the moment.

Of course you would leap on even the remotest possibility that such a deed could be conspired to harm America's first black president, and Hillary Clinton.

Fortunately, none of the 7,653 tax-paid investigations aimed at pillorying Clinton or Obama on the Benghazi affair, have produced a single charge that can be taken to court.

By the way, I'm glad to see you're not laughing at the folks who died inside the Benghazi consulate. Maybe there is hope for you to become a genuine human being. But the odds, I think, are very low on that.

boards of FL

boards of FL

Ole Man Markle appears to be losing his memory. This email is old news and was discussed here last month. The forces mentioned in the email were in fact deployed immediately. We know this because an unredacted version of the email is now available and the forces mentioned corroborate Panettas testimony during Benghazi hearings.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/262756-new-email-splits-benghazi-committee

The Democrats released their email a day after conservative legal group Judicial Watch released a slightly redacted version, which it had won access to under the Freedom of Information Act. At the time, conservative outlets such as Fox News said that the email was a “smoking gun” that undermined testimony from former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.

But the unredacted version of the email makes clear that the forces under discussion to move to Benghazi were the same ones that previous investigations had claimed were on the move: a Marine Fleet Antiterrorism Security Teams (FAST) and a special operations force out of Croatia.


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2seaoat wrote:When will Mr. Markle spend a little time on the mistakes which killed 4k American kids?   It is 1000 fold, and is still killing people.

Try keeping up with the topic, not one from 13 years ago.

I fully realize that the past seven years have been a disaster for you but that still does not change the fact that this is 2016 and NOT 2003.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:Just like I forecast.

The Progressives here have NOTHING and prove it AGAIN by posting NOTHING relevant to the FACTS POSTED.

Still they have nothing and they continue childishly grasping at straws.

Keep up the good work my friends.  Y'all really are a hoot!

What it boils down to Semi Sane Markle, is whether or not you believe the President of the United States and his Secretary of State would purposefully deny sending aid to one of their ambassadors in a life threatening situation, just to protect a political image of the moment.

Of course you would leap on even the remotest possibility that such a deed could be conspired to harm America's first black president, and Hillary Clinton.  

Fortunately, none of the 7,653 tax-paid investigations aimed at pillorying Clinton or Obama on the Benghazi affair, have produced a single charge that can be taken to court.

By the way, I'm glad to see you're not laughing at the folks who died inside the Benghazi consulate.  Maybe there is hope for you to become a genuine human being.  But the odds, I think, are very low on that.

As you know, the FBI is again expanding their investigation to others around Hillary Clinton.

You know I have never laughed at anyone who has died while you have celebrated every officer who has been killed or has killed someone else MOST of whom acted properly. You don't even wait for facts, you want to be the first with a post trashing the police. Exactly as semi-retired President Obama did, not long after taking office. NOT KNOWING THE FACTS, President Obama jumped on his Bully Pulpit and cried out that the POLICE ACTED STUPIDLY. From that night he has never stepped back, only intentionally made matters worse.

Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:Ole Man Markle appears to be losing his memory.  This email is old news and was discussed here last month. The forces mentioned in the email were in fact deployed immediately.  We know this because an unredacted version of the email is now available and the forces mentioned corroborate Panettas testimony during Benghazi hearings.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/262756-new-email-splits-benghazi-committee

The Democrats released their email a day after conservative legal group Judicial Watch released a slightly redacted version, which it had won access to under the Freedom of Information Act. At the time, conservative outlets such as Fox News said that the email was a “smoking gun” that undermined testimony from former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.

But the unredacted version of the email makes clear that the forces under discussion to move to Benghazi were the same ones that previous investigations had claimed were on the move: a Marine Fleet Antiterrorism Security Teams (FAST) and a special operations force out of Croatia.

You really need to wean yourself off your far left Socialist sites and branch out. This email was just released with this latest flurry being released weekly. Try to keep up.

Sal

Sal

Judicial Watch just keeps on punking Ol' Man Markle.


What a rube.

Markle

Markle

Salinsky wrote:Judicial Watch just keeps on punking Ol' Man Markle.

What a rube.

Let's see who is the rube.

Show us all where Judicial Watch made changes in the email I posted.

If you refuse or run, then we know who is and who is not the rube. Right?

Sal

Sal

Markle wrote:
Salinsky wrote:Judicial Watch just keeps on punking Ol' Man Markle.

What a rube.

Let's see who is the rube.

Show us all where Judicial Watch made changes in the email I posted.

If you refuse or run, then we know who is and who is not the rube.  Right?

The content is exactly the same as the email posted by Judicial Watch a month ago.

The forces discussed were deployed.

Panetta confirmed that in his testimony.

And once again, you're the rube, Ol' Man Markle.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Markle wrote:You really need to wean yourself off your far left Socialist sites and branch out.


And semi-demented poster Markle needs to wean himself from the far-right wingnut  sites where he gets HIS "facts"....

The gatewaypundit.com......

Hotair.com......

Earnedmedia.org.....

To just name a few......


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Vikingwoman



Why does Markle keep on embarrassing himself? Inquiring minds want to know?

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Vikingwoman wrote:Why does Markle keep on embarrassing himself? Inquiring minds want to know?

Perhaps he doesn't find his folly to be embarrassing.....

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boards of FL

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Markle wrote:
boards of FL wrote:Ole Man Markle appears to be losing his memory.  This email is old news and was discussed here last month. The forces mentioned in the email were in fact deployed immediately.  We know this because an unredacted version of the email is now available and the forces mentioned corroborate Panettas testimony during Benghazi hearings.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/262756-new-email-splits-benghazi-committee

The Democrats released their email a day after conservative legal group Judicial Watch released a slightly redacted version, which it had won access to under the Freedom of Information Act. At the time, conservative outlets such as Fox News said that the email was a “smoking gun” that undermined testimony from former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.

But the unredacted version of the email makes clear that the forces under discussion to move to Benghazi were the same ones that previous investigations had claimed were on the move: a Marine Fleet Antiterrorism Security Teams (FAST) and a special operations force out of Croatia.

You really need to wean yourself off your far left Socialist sites and branch out.  This email was just released with this latest flurry being released weekly.  Try to keep up.


The Hill is a far left socialist site?  OK.   Fair enough.  I'll just give you the evidence and we'll see if you can connect the dots on your own.  

First, we have the unredacted email:

http://democrats-benghazi.house.gov/sites/democrats.benghazi.house.gov/files/documents/2015_12_09_unredacted_DOD_email.pdf

Another example of what Progressives here DO NOT WANT TO DISCUSS THE COVER-UP OF RESCUE TO BENGHAZI. IBaiNP3


Note the forces that were being offered.  Got that?  OK.  Next, lets look at the republican house's report on Benghazi, in their own words.  From page 16 of the report:

http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=C4E16543-8F99-430C-BEBA-0045A6433426

Another example of what Progressives here DO NOT WANT TO DISCUSS THE COVER-UP OF RESCUE TO BENGHAZI. XiU02cn



Here you are, Ole' Man Markle.  Here you are.

Another example of what Progressives here DO NOT WANT TO DISCUSS THE COVER-UP OF RESCUE TO BENGHAZI. Bonbon-dbfbe36b2ab7e3e46f8bdbc19fcc3ada



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Were those messages available when P-Dog was doing his incessant whining over Benghazi?

Markle and P-dog will no doubt, continue their tilting at windmills on this issue....


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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:Just like I forecast.

The Progressives here have NOTHING and prove it AGAIN by posting NOTHING relevant to the FACTS POSTED.

Still they have nothing and they continue childishly grasping at straws.

Keep up the good work my friends.  Y'all really are a hoot!

What it boils down to Semi Sane Markle, is whether or not you believe the President of the United States and his Secretary of State would purposefully deny sending aid to one of their ambassadors in a life threatening situation, just to protect a political image of the moment.

Of course you would leap on even the remotest possibility that such a deed could be conspired to harm America's first black president, and Hillary Clinton.  

Fortunately, none of the 7,653 tax-paid investigations aimed at pillorying Clinton or Obama on the Benghazi affair, have produced a single charge that can be taken to court.

By the way, I'm glad to see you're not laughing at the folks who died inside the Benghazi consulate.  Maybe there is hope for you to become a genuine human being.  But the odds, I think, are very low on that.

As you know, the FBI is again expanding their investigation to others around Hillary Clinton.

You know I have never laughed at anyone who has died while you have celebrated every officer who has been killed or has killed someone else MOST of whom acted properly.  You don't even wait for facts, you want to be the first with a post trashing the police.  Exactly as semi-retired President Obama did, not long after taking office.  NOT KNOWING THE FACTS, President Obama jumped on his Bully Pulpit and cried out that the POLICE ACTED STUPIDLY.  From that night he has never stepped back, only intentionally made matters worse.

Pardon me for assuming you get a kick out of others' misfortunes. How could I think otherwise, when you tell about how you were at a stoplight on your Harley, and another rider on a sportbike came up and couldn't get his foot down in time and dropped his bike -- with a female passenger on back -- and instead of going to their aid (as any decent motorcyclist would do) -- you "could hardly stop laughing as you rode off." In fact, as I recall, you referred to the unfortunate motorcyclist as "some clown on a crotch rocket." Face it Markle, you're a guy who laughs at others' misfortune. Reality.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:Just like I forecast.

The Progressives here have NOTHING and prove it AGAIN by posting NOTHING relevant to the FACTS POSTED.

Still they have nothing and they continue childishly grasping at straws.

Keep up the good work my friends.  Y'all really are a hoot!

What it boils down to Semi Sane Markle, is whether or not you believe the President of the United States and his Secretary of State would purposefully deny sending aid to one of their ambassadors in a life threatening situation, just to protect a political image of the moment.

Of course you would leap on even the remotest possibility that such a deed could be conspired to harm America's first black president, and Hillary Clinton.  

Fortunately, none of the 7,653 tax-paid investigations aimed at pillorying Clinton or Obama on the Benghazi affair, have produced a single charge that can be taken to court.

By the way, I'm glad to see you're not laughing at the folks who died inside the Benghazi consulate.  Maybe there is hope for you to become a genuine human being.  But the odds, I think, are very low on that.

As you know, the FBI is again expanding their investigation to others around Hillary Clinton.

You know I have never laughed at anyone who has died while you have celebrated every officer who has been killed or has killed someone else MOST of whom acted properly.  You don't even wait for facts, you want to be the first with a post trashing the police.  Exactly as semi-retired President Obama did, not long after taking office.  NOT KNOWING THE FACTS, President Obama jumped on his Bully Pulpit and cried out that the POLICE ACTED STUPIDLY.  From that night he has never stepped back, only intentionally made matters worse.

Pardon me for assuming you get a kick out of others' misfortunes.  How could I think otherwise, when you tell about how you were at a stoplight on your Harley, and another rider on a sportbike came up and couldn't get his foot down in time and dropped his bike -- with a female passenger on back -- and instead of going to their aid (as any decent motorcyclist would do) -- you "could hardly stop laughing as you rode off."  In fact, as I recall, you referred to the unfortunate motorcyclist as "some clown on a crotch rocket."  Face it Markle, you're a guy who laughs at others' misfortune.  Reality.

He put his foot down, he wasn't strong enough to hold up the bike with his lady.  Yeah, I laughed at him.  When folks,  like you, do stupid things, yes, I'll laugh at them.  Had he been riding a Harley, I would have helped him, they can be 700-800 pounds.

Nice to see you know when you've been beaten and then you drift back to old, non-issues.

I do so love you allowing me to live rent free in your mind!  Thank you so much.

You don't know anything about riding a Harley do you?

Had the kid been in distress, I'd have helped him. He was just stupid and inexperienced.

boards of FL

boards of FL

Markle, would you like to stand corrected?


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Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:Just like I forecast.

The Progressives here have NOTHING and prove it AGAIN by posting NOTHING relevant to the FACTS POSTED.

Still they have nothing and they continue childishly grasping at straws.

Keep up the good work my friends.  Y'all really are a hoot!

What it boils down to Semi Sane Markle, is whether or not you believe the President of the United States and his Secretary of State would purposefully deny sending aid to one of their ambassadors in a life threatening situation, just to protect a political image of the moment.

Of course you would leap on even the remotest possibility that such a deed could be conspired to harm America's first black president, and Hillary Clinton.  

Fortunately, none of the 7,653 tax-paid investigations aimed at pillorying Clinton or Obama on the Benghazi affair, have produced a single charge that can be taken to court.

By the way, I'm glad to see you're not laughing at the folks who died inside the Benghazi consulate.  Maybe there is hope for you to become a genuine human being.  But the odds, I think, are very low on that.

As you know, the FBI is again expanding their investigation to others around Hillary Clinton.

You know I have never laughed at anyone who has died while you have celebrated every officer who has been killed or has killed someone else MOST of whom acted properly.  You don't even wait for facts, you want to be the first with a post trashing the police.  Exactly as semi-retired President Obama did, not long after taking office.  NOT KNOWING THE FACTS, President Obama jumped on his Bully Pulpit and cried out that the POLICE ACTED STUPIDLY.  From that night he has never stepped back, only intentionally made matters worse.

Pardon me for assuming you get a kick out of others' misfortunes.  How could I think otherwise, when you tell about how you were at a stoplight on your Harley, and another rider on a sportbike came up and couldn't get his foot down in time and dropped his bike -- with a female passenger on back -- and instead of going to their aid (as any decent motorcyclist would do) -- you "could hardly stop laughing as you rode off."  In fact, as I recall, you referred to the unfortunate motorcyclist as "some clown on a crotch rocket."  Face it Markle, you're a guy who laughs at others' misfortune.  Reality.

He put his foot down, he wasn't strong enough to hold up the bike with his lady.  Yeah, I laughed at him.  When folks,  like you, do stupid things, yes, I'll laugh at them.  Had he been riding a Harley, I would have helped him, they can be 700-800 pounds.

Nice to see you know when you've been beaten and then you drift back to old, non-issues.

I do so love you allowing me to live rent free in your mind!  Thank you so much.

You don't know anything about riding a Harley do you?

Had the kid been in distress, I'd have helped him.  He was just stupid and inexperienced.

You're right, I know very little about riding a Harley.  What I do know about them is they are a 1940 design that's been tweaked and tweaked and tweaked.  And my friends who own them continually have to pick up parts that fall off, and are continually having them worked on.  I've owned state of the art bikes since I started riding -- Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki Meanstreak and BMW.  What I do know about assholes like you who love Harleys, is you ride to be seen.  I ride to drive the bike hard.  And no matter how you phrase it, a fellow motorcyclist dropped his bike with a passenger on board and you rode off laughing.  Your attitude and actions speak volumes about your absence of character!



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boards of FL wrote:Markle, would you like to stand corrected?

Break out your "Run Forest, Run" .gif.

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Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:Just like I forecast.

The Progressives here have NOTHING and prove it AGAIN by posting NOTHING relevant to the FACTS POSTED.

Still they have nothing and they continue childishly grasping at straws.

Keep up the good work my friends.  Y'all really are a hoot!

What it boils down to Semi Sane Markle, is whether or not you believe the President of the United States and his Secretary of State would purposefully deny sending aid to one of their ambassadors in a life threatening situation, just to protect a political image of the moment.

Of course you would leap on even the remotest possibility that such a deed could be conspired to harm America's first black president, and Hillary Clinton.  

Fortunately, none of the 7,653 tax-paid investigations aimed at pillorying Clinton or Obama on the Benghazi affair, have produced a single charge that can be taken to court.

By the way, I'm glad to see you're not laughing at the folks who died inside the Benghazi consulate.  Maybe there is hope for you to become a genuine human being.  But the odds, I think, are very low on that.

As you know, the FBI is again expanding their investigation to others around Hillary Clinton.

You know I have never laughed at anyone who has died while you have celebrated every officer who has been killed or has killed someone else MOST of whom acted properly.  You don't even wait for facts, you want to be the first with a post trashing the police.  Exactly as semi-retired President Obama did, not long after taking office.  NOT KNOWING THE FACTS, President Obama jumped on his Bully Pulpit and cried out that the POLICE ACTED STUPIDLY.  From that night he has never stepped back, only intentionally made matters worse.

Pardon me for assuming you get a kick out of others' misfortunes.  How could I think otherwise, when you tell about how you were at a stoplight on your Harley, and another rider on a sportbike came up and couldn't get his foot down in time and dropped his bike -- with a female passenger on back -- and instead of going to their aid (as any decent motorcyclist would do) -- you "could hardly stop laughing as you rode off."  In fact, as I recall, you referred to the unfortunate motorcyclist as "some clown on a crotch rocket."  Face it Markle, you're a guy who laughs at others' misfortune.  Reality.

He put his foot down, he wasn't strong enough to hold up the bike with his lady.  Yeah, I laughed at him.  When folks,  like you, do stupid things, yes, I'll laugh at them.  Had he been riding a Harley, I would have helped him, they can be 700-800 pounds.

Nice to see you know when you've been beaten and then you drift back to old, non-issues.

I do so love you allowing me to live rent free in your mind!  Thank you so much.

You don't know anything about riding a Harley do you?

Had the kid been in distress, I'd have helped him.  He was just stupid and inexperienced.

You're right, I know very little about riding a Harley.  What I do know about them is they are a 1940 design that's been tweaked and tweaked and tweaked.  And my friends who own them continually have to pick up parts that fall off, and are continually having them worked on.  I've owned state of the art bikes since I started riding -- Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki Meanstreak and BMW.  What I do know about assholes like you who love Harleys, is you ride to be seen.  I ride to drive the bike hard.  And no matter how you phrase it, a fellow motorcyclist dropped his bike with a passenger on board and you rode off laughing.  Your attitude and actions speak volumes about your absence of character![/b]

You are so totally ignorant about Harley's. And that's okay, I know your childish attack is intentionally geared...to get under my skin. But you see, you can't do it.

The street is where idiots "drive a bike hard". Not the time or the place.

Your list includes all of the usual Wannabe's. There's a camaraderie among Harley riders that simply does not exist among the others.

I've owned all the bike brands you name except BMW. All were dirt bikes and all were very good. I also owned a Carabella, Husqvarna, KTM, Sachs and several Penton's.

Move on up to a real bike some day and you'll know what I mean.

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