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Trump On Obama's Plans For Executive Action On Guns

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TEOTWAWKI

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knothead

knothead

Trump is a developer but he is waaaaaay out of his league . . . .few care what he thinks except the script writers on SNL>

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

knothead wrote:few care what he thinks except the script writers on SNL

He's been leading the polls for six months.  I had no idea SNL had that many writers. 
Fuck,  with that many writers the show should be a lot better.  lol

Markle

Markle

knothead wrote:Trump is a developer but he is waaaaaay out of his league . . . .few care what he thinks except the script writers on SNL>

How is he out of his league? The presidency is a executive position. That's what Donald Trump has done all his life.

How could he be less qualified than the current occupant of the Oval Office?

Guest


Guest

From what I've heard so far... he plans to edict the no fly list as a disqualifier. That is not due process... period.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Here's the primary fact none of you hardcore right wing whackos refuse to admit: 82% of the American public (regardless of party) are FOR STRONGER BACKGROUND CHECKS IN ALL GUN PURCHASES.

Deal with that, assholes.

Guest


Guest

Sooo... stronger background checks (which are already exhaustive and thorough) for american citizens to exercise their constitutional rights. But not willing to have stronger background checks or restrictions on foreign immigration?

This is leftist logic on display folks. Diminish the rights and freedoms of our citizens... while enabling non-citizens.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Liberals are children trusting their daddy government to do what's best and keep them safe . They are undeveloped in many aspects of maturity...

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

Really not much Obama can do on this via Executive Order.

It's all talk ... a political ploy to make "common sense gun regulation" an issue for the Democrats in the 2016 Presidential election.

They're thinking it might be a good wedge issue to move some moderate low-information independent middle-of-the-road voters over to Hillary. And it might actually do that to some degree.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

EmeraldGhost wrote:Really not much Obama can do on this via Executive Order.

It's all talk ... a political ploy to make "common sense gun regulation" an issue for the Democrats in the 2016 Presidential election.  

They're thinking it might be a good wedge issue to move some moderate low-information independent middle-of-the-road voters over to Hillary.   And it might actually do that to some degree.

As things stand, someone listed on the "no-fly" list because of possible terrorist affiliations, etc., is still allowed to buy a firearm. You think that makes sense?

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:Sooo... stronger background checks (which are already exhaustive and thorough) for american citizens to exercise their constitutional rights. But not willing to have stronger background checks or restrictions on foreign immigration?

This is leftist logic on display folks. Diminish the rights and freedoms of our citizens... while enabling non-citizens.

It figures there would be no response from you about a broad majority (above 80%) of Americans wanting improved background checks for ALL gun sales? Obviously, you'd rather pontificate on liberal philosophy. LOL

Guest


Guest

Wordslinger wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:Really not much Obama can do on this via Executive Order.

It's all talk ... a political ploy to make "common sense gun regulation" an issue for the Democrats in the 2016 Presidential election.  

They're thinking it might be a good wedge issue to move some moderate low-information independent middle-of-the-road voters over to Hillary.   And it might actually do that to some degree.

As things stand, someone listed on the "no-fly" list because of possible terrorist affiliations, etc., is still allowed to buy a firearm. You think that makes sense?

Just wow... do you even know what due process is? I'm becoming more and more sure that our country is doomed.

Guest


Guest

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Sooo... stronger background checks (which are already exhaustive and thorough) for american citizens to exercise their constitutional rights. But not willing to have stronger background checks or restrictions on foreign immigration?

This is leftist logic on display folks. Diminish the rights and freedoms of our citizens... while enabling non-citizens.

It figures there would be no response from you about a broad majority (above 80%) of Americans wanting improved background checks for ALL gun sales? Obviously, you'd rather pontificate on liberal philosophy. LOL

While the vast majority of our gun violence takes place in inner cities by convicted felons... while you and obama ignore it. If he really wanted to make a difference that is what he'd concentrate his powers on... constitutionally.

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

Wordslinger wrote: ..

As things stand, someone listed on the "no-fly" list because of possible terrorist affiliations, etc., is still allowed to buy a firearm.  You think that makes sense?

I don't think any US Citizen's Constitutionally protected rights should be abridged without judicial due process.   You know ... all those things we are supposed to cherish as Americans like "innocent till proven guilty"; "trial by one's peers". right to legal representation, right to face one's accusers & see the evidence, etc etc

As the law stands currently, one may not purchase or possess a firearm if they have


  • have a felony conviction,


  • have any domestic violence conviction, even misdemeanor


  • have a domestic violence judicial restraining order,


  • have been judicially adjudged mentally incompetent/dangerous


  • are a non-US Citizen in the country on a non-immigrant visa


  • are a non-US Citizen present in the US illegally

.

What more do you want?  

How do we know who puts US Citizens on these "watch lists" and what evidence they have for doing so?   Where's the judicial due process in that?  What kind of "watch lists" might some administration decide to implement in the future?

Would you be okay with an Executive Order that says government functionaries could put you on some internal list of persons to be "watched" and as a result your 1st Amendment protected right to free speech could be restricted with no judicial due process?  Maybe they'd bar you from the internet?  It's a slippery slope.

If they were really concerned about people on the NoFly List buying guns, the government could easily just interface the various terrorist watch lists (yes, there is more than one) with NICS so anytime someone on a watch list applies to purchase a gun the 3-day-delay mechanism that already exists in NICS kicks in & and electronic notification automatically sent to the area JTTF to go check it out.   They could do that next week with just a little computer programming & without new legislation, executive orders, or impacting anyone's constitutional rights.   But that's not really what this is about for the Democrats ... what it's really about is using the terrorism scare as an excuse for restricting the rights of law-abiding US Citizen gun owners.

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

Here's an example of the "slippery slope" I'm talking about.

Supposing some of those guys out there in Oregon are members of some private "militia" organization ... now by occupying a Federal wildlife refuge visitors center building they've participated in an action that some might want to characterize as "terrorism."   So the government puts these guys on a "watch list" & strips them of their right to purchase or possess a firearm.  

To take if further, let's say the FBI investigates these guys and finds out they are all members of the NRA.  So the NRA lobbies for them ... the NRA is thus a "terrorist group sponsor/supporter" ... so all members of the NRA are put on a terrorist watch list as being "suspect" and stripped of their Constitutional rights.

This could easily go the other way if a far right-wing administration were in charge putting members of leftist groups on watch lists & stripping them of Constitutional rights such as Free Speech, Habeas Corpus, Freedom of Assembly, Search & Seizure, right to reasonable bail, etc Could happen to Unions as well.

Like I said .... it's a slippery slope. The Constitution is pretty damn important if you ask me.

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