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A plea to all you religious people: Please pray that Tsarnaev won't receive a death sentence.

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

If he receives a death sentence, he will be put on death row. Not only will that be a far easier place for him to continue existing, eventually he'll be given death and his suffering will be allowed to end. A horrible outcome.

However, if he gets life, he'll go to the Supermax. Here is what it will be like.

Prisoners spend about 23 hours a day in solitary confinement in 12-by-7-foot cells with a single 4-inch-wide window and walls thick enough to stifle any attempts at communication. A slot in the door is used to deliver meals and for any visits.

Inmates have little contact outside of guards and prison staff. They must wear leg irons, handcuffs and stomach chains when taken outside their cells -- and be escorted by guards. A recreation hour is allowed in an outdoor cage slightly larger than the prison cells. Inside the cage, only the sky is visible.

"It breaks down the human spirit, it breaks down the human psyche. It breaks your mind," former supermax inmate Garrett Linderman told CBS' 60 Minutes in 2009.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/boston-bombing-trial/federal-supermax-prison-n353846

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Even more reason for you to pray he gets life...

The High Cost of the Death Penalty

The death penalty is much more expensive than life without parole because the Constitution requires a long and complex judicial process for capital cases.

If the death penalty was replaced with a sentence of Life Without the Possibility of Parole... the money saved could be spent on programs that actually improve the communities in which we live. The millions of dollars in savings could be spent on: education, roads, police officers and public safety programs, after-school programs, drug and alcohol treatment, child abuse prevention programs, mental health services, and services for crime victims and their families.

More than 3500 men and women have received this sentence in California since 1978 and NOT ONE has been released, except those few individuals who were able to prove their innocence.

California could save $1 billion over five years by replacing the death penalty with permanent imprisonment.

California taxpayers pay $90,000 more per death row prisoner each year than on prisoners in regular confinement.


http://deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

2seaoat



I trust the criminal justice system will sentence appropriately.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Here's the truth about it,  seaoat.

Nothing about my posts in this thread is sarcastic.  I believe every word of it.

So,  aside from that monster Tsarnaev and all the human misery he caused,  I want you to tell me something.

I come down on the side of life imprisonment instead of execution.  Liberals share that opinion.
I come down on the side of retribution (old testament style).  The conservatives share that opinion.

So,  which label do I get pinned on me?  Liberal or conservative?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

In her infamous quote, which used to be symbolized by my toaster avatar, Ann Coulter talked about being a liberal OR a conservative.
I guess a liberal AND a conservative must be even lower than a toaster. lol

KarlRove

KarlRove

If we didn't give nearly infinite appeals, Bob's point would be moot. Nah, he deserves to be blown apart by an anti-aircraft gun in front of witnesses AKA Gangnum style like Kim Jong Un did to his defense chief.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Yes we could blow him away with an artillery shell. But that would really be no better than strapping him into old sparky or giving him the needle.
All three of those methods would result in a quick death and the easiest way out for him. Hell that would just get him what he wants, the 72 virgins.

Here is Bob's ideal of what justice should be for him.

We put him in isolation in that little cage in the Supermax and then make him wait the next 60 years in that cage while he's drooling the whole time over all those virgins he can't have.
Then, when he turns 80 years old, we take him out back and tape small sticks of dynamite to all four of his limbs. Just enough explosive power that each detonation will blow off one limb but he will remain alive.
And we'll tell him that great line from the movie "Payback" when Kris Kristofferson says to Mel Gibson "each time I visit some torture on you I'm gonna give you a blood transfusion to keep you alive for the next torture".
Then after all four of his arms and legs are blown off, we throw him in a ditch and let him bleed out.
That way when he finally gets to Allah's house up in the clouds, those 72 virgins will take one look at him and say "you gotta be kidding me, there's no way I'm gonna have sex with a stump". lol





Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

And by the way,  Karl,  what Kim Dong Dung did with the artillery gun technically shouldn't be referred to as "Gangnum Style".
Gangnum is a district in Seoul,  not Poontang.  That's only what the zipperheads north of the border do.

The zipperheads in Gangnum south of the border make that Kia minivan I love so much.  And that awesome Samsung Note 3 I have in my pocket.

I can't even imagine what a car made in North Korea would be like.  It would probably make the Yugo look like a Maserati.  

Wait a minute,  I found a picture of one on the internet...

A plea to all you religious people:  Please pray that Tsarnaev won't receive a death sentence. 31070Cerdo

Sal

Sal

The worst punishment Tsarnaev could receive would be to be locked away for the rest of his life to die old and forgotten by the entire world.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal wrote:The worst punishment Tsarnaev could receive would be to be locked away for the rest of his life to die old and forgotten by the entire world.

I want you (and seaoat both) to do something for me,  Sal.  
I listened to the NPR interview linked below two hours ago while riding in my car.
Trust me,  the written transcript on this page doesn't do justice to actually hearing this man's voice telling his story.  And I hope instead you will get a chance to listen to him but I can't get the audio link to work right now.
So the written transcript will have to suffice for now.

But what I want you to think about is this.  That while what you just wrote is true and "the world" will indeed forget about this;  this father has not forgotten about it and never will.  And if you interviewed any of the other surviving loved ones of 13-year old Nicholas Heyward,  I feel pretty confident that they neither have nor ever will forget about it either.  
They have a different perspective on this than you and seaoat and me and "the world".

http://www.npr.org/2015/05/15/406735395/dad-aches-for-tween-son-killed-by-policeman-20-years-ago

And this is what I want you and seaoat to think about.  I want you to realize that Nicholas' father is not alone in this.
There are also hundreds of loved ones of THESE folks who also will never forget as long as they live either.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/us/boston-marathon-victims-profiles/

And just like Nicholas,  the human beings they're all grieving for no longer have life.  Some of them even younger than Nicholas.
For all of them,  what you just told us in your post,  Sal,  does not apply.

So I could adopt your thinking that "the world" will forget and that ends the tragedy of all this.
But when I see their faces and listen to their loved ones who will never forget,  it's just too hard for me to adopt that same attitude.

Sal

Sal

Executing him won't bring back any of the victims he murdered or grow back the limbs of any of the victims he maimed.

It'll just make him a martyr in his mind and in the minds of many like-minded sociopaths.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal wrote:Executing him won't bring back any of the victims he murdered or grow back the limbs of any of the victims he maimed.

It'll just make him a martyr in his mind and in the minds of many like-minded sociopaths.

No argument from me about executing him.  The title of my thread confirms that.

But death would not only result in that,  it would also be quick and painless and would immediately put him out of his misery.  
I want him to keep breathing so he can keep suffering for a long long time.  Just like his armless and legless victims will keep on suffering.  And just like the survivors of the victims he killed will keep on suffering.

I want for him exactly what that Supermax inmate told us in my first post...

"It breaks down the human spirit, it breaks down the human psyche. It breaks your mind"


And I want all those other potential "sociopaths" (as you describe them) to know exactly how much he's suffering and for how long he will be forced to continue suffering.
If it was up to me,  we would install a camera in his cage and record it when his spirit is broken,  when his psyche is broken,  and when his mind is broken.  And broadcast that to all those potential copycats.

[EDIT]  but as we see,  they've just decided to give him the easy way out and give him his 72 virgins so that's that.  I guess the religious people didn't pray hard enough.  Either that or God is a pussy.

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