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US taxpayers subsidising world's biggest fossil fuel companies

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Floridatexan

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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/12/us-taxpayers-subsidising-worlds-biggest-fossil-fuel-companies?CMP=ema_565



"The world’s biggest and most profitable fossil fuel companies are receiving huge and rising subsidies from US taxpayers, a practice slammed as absurd by a presidential candidate given the threat of climate change.

A Guardian investigation of three specific projects, run by Shell, ExxonMobil and Marathon Petroleum, has revealed that the subsidises were all granted by politicians who received significant campaign contributions from the fossil fuel industry.

The Guardian has found that:

A proposed Shell petrochemical refinery in Pennsylvania is in line for $1.6bn (£1bn) in state subsidy, according to a deal struck in 2012 when the company made an annual profit of $26.8bn.

ExxonMobil’s upgrades to its Baton Rouge refinery in Louisiana are benefitting from $119m of state subsidy, with the support starting in 2011, when the company made a $41bn profit.

A jobs subsidy scheme worth $78m to Marathon Petroleum in Ohio began in 2011, when the company made $2.4bn in profit.

“At a time when scientists tell us we need to reduce carbon pollution to prevent catastrophic climate change, it is absurd to provide massive taxpayer subsidies that pad fossil-fuel companies’ already enormous profits,” said senator Bernie Sanders, who announced on 30 April he is running for president.

Sanders, with representative Keith Ellison, recently proposed an End Polluter Welfare Act, which they say would cut $135bn of US subsidies for fossil fuel companies over the next decade. “Between 2010 and 2014, the oil, coal, gas, utility, and natural resource extraction industries spent $1.8bn on lobbying, much of it in defence of these giveaways,” according to Sanders and Ellison.

In April, the president of the World Bank called for the subsidies to be scrapped immediately as poorer nations were feeling “the boot of climate change on their neck”. Globally in 2013, the most recent figures available,the coal, oil and gas industries benefited from subsidies of $550bn, four times those given to renewable energy.

“Subsidies to fossil fuel companies are completely inappropriate in this day and age,” said Stephen Kretzmann, executive director of Oil Change International, an NGO that analyses the costs of fossil fuels. OCI found in 2014 that US taxpayers were subsidising fossil fuel exploration and production alone by $21bn a year. In 2009, President Barack Obama called on the G20 to eliminate fossil fuel subsidies but since then US federal subsidies have risen by 45%..."

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

End all corporate welfare. Why should tax payers subsidize companies that are making a whopping profit? Everyone knows this goes on yet somehow we can't put enough pressure on Congress to pass something like the bill Sanders proposed?

The corporations are the real welfare queens. Tea Party is enraged that someone who is able bodied and could go out and get a job receives government help but fails to protest against extremely profitable corporations getting government support. It truly does not make any sense in a rational world.

Markle

Markle

othershoe1030 wrote:End all corporate welfare. Why should tax payers subsidize companies that are making a whopping profit? Everyone knows this goes on yet somehow we can't put enough pressure on Congress to pass something like the bill Sanders proposed?

The corporations are the real welfare queens. Tea Party is enraged that someone who is able bodied and could go out and get a job receives government help but fails to protest against extremely profitable corporations getting government support. It truly does not make any sense in a rational world.

Great, I'm all for it.  End ALL corporate welfare including that for solar, wind, alcohol and all other forms.

At the same time, remove all corporate taxes.

Since corporations provide for TRILLIONS in taxes, how much do those on Welfare, food stamps, housing subsidies, free high speed internet, free cell phones pay in income taxes?

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Markle wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:End all corporate welfare. Why should tax payers subsidize companies that are making a whopping profit? Everyone knows this goes on yet somehow we can't put enough pressure on Congress to pass something like the bill Sanders proposed?

The corporations are the real welfare queens. Tea Party is enraged that someone who is able bodied and could go out and get a job receives government help but fails to protest against extremely profitable corporations getting government support. It truly does not make any sense in a rational world.

Great, I'm all for it.  End ALL corporate welfare including that for solar, wind, alcohol and all other forms.

At the same time, remove all corporate taxes.

Since corporations provide for TRILLIONS in taxes, how much do those on Welfare, food stamps, housing subsidies, free high speed internet, free cell phones pay in income taxes?

My idea was much more focused than your ham-handed approach of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I'm asking all the supposedly fiscally conservative posting members here why we taxpayers should subsidize corporations that are very profitable?

U.S. companies are looking for all sorts of ways to reduce their tax bill. But scores of big U.S. companies just paid no taxes or effective tax rates of 0%.

There are 20 companies in the Standard & Poor's 500, including drugmaker Merck (MRK), computer storage company Seagate (STX) and automaker General Motors (GM), which reported effective tax rates of 0% or lower in the second calendar quarter despite reporting a profit during the period, according to a USA TODAY analysis of data from S&P Capital IQ. To be included, the companies also needed to report positive earnings before taxes including unusual items.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101917093

boards of FL

boards of FL

Markle wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:End all corporate welfare. Why should tax payers subsidize companies that are making a whopping profit? Everyone knows this goes on yet somehow we can't put enough pressure on Congress to pass something like the bill Sanders proposed?

The corporations are the real welfare queens. Tea Party is enraged that someone who is able bodied and could go out and get a job receives government help but fails to protest against extremely profitable corporations getting government support. It truly does not make any sense in a rational world.

Great, I'm all for it.  End ALL corporate welfare including that for solar, wind, alcohol and all other forms.

At the same time, remove all corporate taxes.

Since corporations provide for TRILLIONS in taxes, how much do those on Welfare, food stamps, housing subsidies, free high speed internet, free cell phones pay in income taxes?



Corporations paid $320 billion in taxes in 2014. Just wanted to make sure that you stand corrected on your overly sensational, all caps "TRILLIONS in taxes" comment.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=203


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Markle

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othershoe1030 wrote:
Markle wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:End all corporate welfare. Why should tax payers subsidize companies that are making a whopping profit? Everyone knows this goes on yet somehow we can't put enough pressure on Congress to pass something like the bill Sanders proposed?

The corporations are the real welfare queens. Tea Party is enraged that someone who is able bodied and could go out and get a job receives government help but fails to protest against extremely profitable corporations getting government support. It truly does not make any sense in a rational world.

Great, I'm all for it.  End ALL corporate welfare including that for solar, wind, alcohol and all other forms.

At the same time, remove all corporate taxes.

Since corporations provide for TRILLIONS in taxes, how much do those on Welfare, food stamps, housing subsidies, free high speed internet, free cell phones pay in income taxes?

My idea was much more focused than your ham-handed approach of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I'm asking all the supposedly fiscally conservative posting members here why we taxpayers should subsidize corporations that are very profitable?

U.S. companies are looking for all sorts of ways to reduce their tax bill. But scores of big U.S. companies just paid no taxes or effective tax rates of 0%.

There are 20 companies in the Standard & Poor's 500, including drugmaker Merck (MRK), computer storage company Seagate (STX) and automaker General Motors (GM), which reported effective tax rates of 0% or lower in the second calendar quarter despite reporting a profit during the period, according to a USA TODAY analysis of data from S&P Capital IQ. To be included, the companies also needed to report positive earnings before taxes including unusual items.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101917093

And I agree, the tax payer should not spend a dime subsidizing ANY business.

At the same time, corporations should not pay a dime in income taxes.

If you believe corporations should pay income taxes, please tell us who pays those taxes.

Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:
Markle wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:End all corporate welfare. Why should tax payers subsidize companies that are making a whopping profit? Everyone knows this goes on yet somehow we can't put enough pressure on Congress to pass something like the bill Sanders proposed?

The corporations are the real welfare queens. Tea Party is enraged that someone who is able bodied and could go out and get a job receives government help but fails to protest against extremely profitable corporations getting government support. It truly does not make any sense in a rational world.

Great, I'm all for it.  End ALL corporate welfare including that for solar, wind, alcohol and all other forms.

At the same time, remove all corporate taxes.

Since corporations provide for TRILLIONS in taxes, how much do those on Welfare, food stamps, housing subsidies, free high speed internet, free cell phones pay in income taxes?

Corporations paid $320 billion in taxes in 2014.   Just wanted to make sure that you stand corrected on your overly sensational, all caps "TRILLIONS in taxes" comment.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=203

I said corporations PROVIDE for TRILLIONS in taxes. All those nasty corporations pay workers who pay TRILLIONS in income taxes.

If all corporations pay are $320 billion in income taxes, why bother? Certainly it COSTS far more than that to collect from the corporations and it costs far more than that for all the employees, accountants, tax lawyers and on, and on, and on that businesses have to spend just to file the paperwork.

2seaoat



"In 1952, the corporate income tax accounted for 33 percent of all federal tax revenue. Today, despite record-breaking profits, corporate taxes bring in less than 9 percent."

Smoke and mirrors cannot hide the truth.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:"In 1952, the corporate income tax accounted for 33 percent of all federal tax revenue. Today, despite record-breaking profits, corporate taxes bring in less than 9 percent."

Smoke and mirrors cannot hide the truth.

In 1952, specifically who paid those corporate income taxes?

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote:"In 1952, the corporate income tax accounted for 33 percent of all federal tax revenue. Today, despite record-breaking profits, corporate taxes bring in less than 9 percent."

Smoke and mirrors cannot hide the truth.

In 1952, specifically who paid those corporate income taxes?

This is just the way the system is set up. You are angling to introduce the wild and crazy idea that people/customers/consumers pay the taxes in the long run. Well, surprise, who participates in the economy? dogs? cats? sheep? rocks? It is pretty obvious that people pay taxes, we are the players in the system.

What is wrong with passing laws that get some of that money back from the profits of corporations to help balance the federal budget? What's wrong with the "corporations are people" people from chipping in their share? What makes them so special?

boards of FL

boards of FL

Markle wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Markle wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:End all corporate welfare. Why should tax payers subsidize companies that are making a whopping profit? Everyone knows this goes on yet somehow we can't put enough pressure on Congress to pass something like the bill Sanders proposed?

The corporations are the real welfare queens. Tea Party is enraged that someone who is able bodied and could go out and get a job receives government help but fails to protest against extremely profitable corporations getting government support. It truly does not make any sense in a rational world.

Great, I'm all for it.  End ALL corporate welfare including that for solar, wind, alcohol and all other forms.

At the same time, remove all corporate taxes.

Since corporations provide for TRILLIONS in taxes, how much do those on Welfare, food stamps, housing subsidies, free high speed internet, free cell phones pay in income taxes?

Corporations paid $320 billion in taxes in 2014.   Just wanted to make sure that you stand corrected on your overly sensational, all caps "TRILLIONS in taxes" comment.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=203

I said corporations PROVIDE for TRILLIONS in taxes.  All those nasty corporations pay workers who pay TRILLIONS in income taxes.


The problem with this line of reasoning is that in the absence of corporations people would simply work for other businesses that aren't corporations and would still be paying taxes regardless.  It's amazing that this need be explained to you.



Markle wrote:If all corporations pay are $320 billion in income taxes, why bother?  Certainly it COSTS far more than that to collect from the corporations and it costs far more than that for all the employees, accountants, tax lawyers and on, and on, and on that businesses have to spend just to file the paperwork.


Certainly?  It's almost as if you simply make things up as you go along.  The entire budget of the IRS is roughly $12 billion.  Which number is larger, Markle?  $12 billion or $320 billion?  Which number does the alligator eat?

http://www.irs.gov/PUP/newsroom/IRS%20FY%202015%20Budget%20in%20Brief.pdf


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