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Help for all the folks here. Constitution 101

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Markle

Markle

Sal wrote:Help for all the folks here. Constitution 101 - Page 2 C9725bcad99402e8469a3de7fbbd32396d5505820bade1991fce1824a02e1f51

OH HORRORS! People who actually READ the constitution.

What could be worse?

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Hillsdale is a second rate Michigan college where students would be far better served taking a constitution course at their local junior college.

Obviously you did neither.

Thank you for sharing.

Since you're praising Hillsdale, I take it they believe that it's true freedom and liberty to allow fascists to control elections through campaign funding.  Right?

Since I believe with all my heart in freedom and liberty, and you do not, that would make you the Fascist. Funny how that works.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Hillsdale is a second rate Michigan college where students would be far better served taking a constitution course at their local junior college.

Obviously you did neither.

Thank you for sharing.

Since you're praising Hillsdale, I take it they believe that it's true freedom and liberty to allow fascists to control elections through campaign funding.  Right?

Since I believe with all my heart in freedom and liberty, and you do not, that would make you the Fascist.  Funny how that works.

that's a piss poor way to avoid the question I posed. Does Hillsdale believe it's okay to allow fascists to control elections through campaign funding -- yes or no?

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


This is a list of Supreme Court decisions that have been overruled by subsequent SCOTUS decisions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_overruled_U.S._Supreme_Court_decisions

and

this is a list of SCOTUS decisions that have been abrogated (repealed, revoked, rescinded, overturned), either by act of Congress or by Constitutional amendment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_abrogated_U.S._Supreme_Court_decisions

Supreme Court decisions are difficult to change, partly because of the concept of stare decisis...relying upon prior decisions, or precedent, to inform new decisions.

This is part of what Bob referred to as "checks and balances". All 3 branches of government are supposed to limit one another so that no one branch usurps power from the other two.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Hillsdale is a second rate Michigan college where students would be far better served taking a constitution course at their local junior college.

Obviously you did neither.

Thank you for sharing.

Since you're praising Hillsdale, I take it they believe that it's true freedom and liberty to allow fascists to control elections through campaign funding.  Right?

Since I believe with all my heart in freedom and liberty, and you do not, that would make you the Fascist.  Funny how that works.

that's a piss poor way to avoid the question I posed.  Does Hillsdale believe it's okay to allow fascists to control elections through campaign funding -- yes or no?

You proudly lie and even alter my posts in your responses.

Since you do not believe in freedom and liberty, you're the Fascist so you should answer that question.

Which party was it that tossed out the restrictions on campaign finance limits and spent over $700,000,000.00?

2seaoat



Since you do not believe in freedom and liberty,

Really....that is all you have. Slinger does not believe in freedom and liberty.....he must have an alias, because the guy posting here does believe in those concepts, and again you are grasping at straws.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:Since you do not believe in freedom and liberty,

Really....that is all you have.  Slinger does not believe in freedom and liberty.....he must have an alias, because the guy posting here does believe in those concepts, and again you are grasping at straws.

Wordslinger believes in Freedom and Liberty just so he and Socialist/Communist Bernie Sanders get to decide who, what and when someone is free and then it is just so long as they comply with their rules.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Since you do not believe in freedom and liberty,

Really....that is all you have.  Slinger does not believe in freedom and liberty.....he must have an alias, because the guy posting here does believe in those concepts, and again you are grasping at straws.

Wordslinger believes in Freedom and Liberty just so he and Socialist/Communist Bernie Sanders get to decide who, what and when someone is free and then it is just so long as they comply with their rules.

And Bernie and I have you at the top of our list.  Be afraid.  Very afraid, you fascist scum.

Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.  Benito Mussolini

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Wordslinger wrote:



Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.  Benito Mussolini

Somehow I'm just not sure how wise it is to use Benito Mussolini's ideas to support a point. What's next, are we gonna start quoting Ivan the Terrible and Vlad the Impaler? lol

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Bob wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:



Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.  Benito Mussolini

Somehow I'm just not sure how wise it is to use Benito Mussolini's ideas to support a point.  What's next,  are we gonna start quoting Ivan the Terrible and Vlad the Impaler?  lol

Just defining terms.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Floridatexan wrote:
Bob wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:



Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.  Benito Mussolini

Somehow I'm just not sure how wise it is to use Benito Mussolini's ideas to support a point.  What's next,  are we gonna start quoting Ivan the Terrible and Vlad the Impaler?  lol

Just defining terms.
Well in that case let's "define the terms" a little more, shall we.

Here is a more complete "definition of the terms" for you. lol

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2001/jun/25/artsandhumanities.highereducation

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

Bob wrote:Question,  Markle?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

If Pace High School decides to do a morning prayer in homeroom,  
how would you interpret and apply that clause in the 1st Amendment?  Would you say the Constitution does or does not prohibit that school prayer?  And explain why you take whichever position on this?

I would say the Constitution prohibits religious worship activities to be conducted or sponsored by any governmental entity or it's employees when on-the-job ... and I think SCOTUS by and large agrees with me on that.   Government should remain as neutral as possible on matters of religion and government facilities should not normally be made available for anybody's religious purpose.

I wonder how many prayer-in-school advocates would still be for it if a Muslim teacher were leading classroom prayers?   Or an LDS teacher?  Or even a 7th day Adventist or Jehova's Witness?   How many Protestants want their kids saying reciting the Hail Mary in public schools?   It's kinda funny how people get all hot and bothered about government sponsored worship activities .... so long as it is their particular brand of religion/worship.

Public schools are for learning academic subjects .... not for promoting any form of religious worship.  If parents want their kids to worship & pray in schools they need to send them to private schools.  I'm ok with public schools making small accommodations regarding bona-fide cases of religious diet/dress/etc so long as they are not overly disruptive.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Thanks for explaining your position on it, Ghost. I guess Markle must agree with you since he's been silent on it.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Bob wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Bob wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:



Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.  Benito Mussolini

Somehow I'm just not sure how wise it is to use Benito Mussolini's ideas to support a point.  What's next,  are we gonna start quoting Ivan the Terrible and Vlad the Impaler?  lol

Just defining terms.
Well in that case let's "define the terms" a little more,  shall we.

Here is a more complete "definition of the terms" for you.  lol

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2001/jun/25/artsandhumanities.highereducation

I'm not saying Mussolini and his fellow fascists weren't criminals...just that he was correct in his assessment of what fascism IS.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

This is the main Webster dictionary definition of the word "fascism".

"a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

While it could be argued that some of that might apply to the right-wing in America,  I was not aware they championed a "centralized autocratic government".  
If that's the case then somebody needs to tell Ross Limbaugh,  Sean Hannity,  Sarah Palin,  Ted Cruz, the tea party, and the rest of that ilk that they're in favor of a strong centralized American government.
And somebody needs to dig up Mussolini's corpse and tell him that too. Because that would make him an uber-fascist.  ESPECIALLY the part about "forcible suppression of opposition".  lol

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Floridatexan wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment


If all that is the case, then we really need to start impeachment proceedings against President Bush as soon as possible so we can remove him from office.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Wait a minute, I forgot. If we impeach President Bush then we'll end up with President Cheney. I aint so sure that's such a good idea.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Since you do not believe in freedom and liberty,

Really....that is all you have.  Slinger does not believe in freedom and liberty.....he must have an alias, because the guy posting here does believe in those concepts, and again you are grasping at straws.

Wordslinger believes in Freedom and Liberty just so he and Socialist/Communist Bernie Sanders get to decide who, what and when someone is free and then it is just so long as they comply with their rules.

And Bernie and I have you at the top of our list.  Be afraid.  Very afraid, you fascist scum.

Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.  Benito Mussolini

So desperate, you are now resorting to personal, physical threats. You must be so proud. I doubt that even your hero Socialist/Communist Bernie Sanders would go that far.

As for Mussolini, he was selling his product, just as your hero Adolph Hitler was doing when he was selling Nazism.

Markle

Markle

Bob wrote:This is the main Webster dictionary definition of the word "fascism".

"a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

While it could be argued that some of that might apply to the right-wing in America,  I was not aware they championed a "centralized autocratic government".  
If that's the case then somebody needs to tell Ross Limbaugh,  Sean Hannity,  Sarah Palin,  Ted Cruz,  the tea party,  and the rest of that ilk that they're in favor of a strong centralized American government.
And somebody needs to dig up Mussolini's corpse and tell him that too. Because that would make him an uber-fascist.  ESPECIALLY the part about "forcible suppression of opposition".  lol

As you well know, it is semi-retired President Obama who wishes and is moving toward an autocratic government.

Too, Liberals and Democrats wish to suppress any opposition to their failed policies and turn a blind eye to anything not of their making.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

The more I read this forum, ironically the more I realize how you right-wingers and libtards are so alike.

And, yes, I do "well know" the stuff you lay on us here, Markle.
I hear most of it on fox news and talk radio first. lol

2seaoat



The constitution is a beautiful document rich with two hundred years of interpretation and application. I think people should read and understand before going near a keyboard.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:The constitution is a beautiful document rich with two hundred years of interpretation and application.  I think people should read and understand before going near a keyboard.

Why are you, Sal, 2seaoat, Wordslinger and so on here?

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