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Obamacare premiums set to skyrocket if:

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/102459671

Nearly 7.5 million people who get financial help to buy HealthCare.gov insurance would face average premium price hikes of a whopping 255 percent if that aid is ruled illegal in a pending Supreme Court case, a new analysis finds.

And that's just the average price increase across 34 states served by the federal Obamacare health insurance exchange.

On the low end, the Avalere Health consultancy found, HealthCare.gov customers in Arizona would face effective average price increases of 122 percent for their coverage. At the other extreme, subsidy-eligible customers in Mississippi would face an average price hike of a sky-high 774 percent.

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The second-highest effective rate increases would come in Alaska, where Obamacare customers could see average price increases of 449 percent, Avalere found.

The actual prices of the monthly plans would not change if the subsidies are taken away from customers, but customers would have to pay, as a rule, significantly more out of pocket for that coverage if the financial aid is ended. That could happen as early as this summer if the Supreme Court says the aid isn't allowed under the Affordable Care Act.
Avalere CEO Dan Mendelson said Thursday that those kinds of sharp price spikes his company identified would be met by a mass exodus by customers from their existing Obamacare plans.

"We expect to see virtually all stakeholders aggressively seek alternatives to preserve continuity of care" if the Supreme Court rules for the plaintiffs in the case known as King v. Burwell, said Mendelson.

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He noted that the premium increases projected by Avalere's analysis would primarily affect relatively low-income populations of states whose governments are controlled by Republicans, because those are the bulk of HealthCare.gov customers.

The Urban Institute recently estimated that almost 10 million fewer people would be covered in the individual insurance plan market if the subsidies are eliminated for HealthCare.gov customers, largely due to people ceasing to buy insurance altogether because it would no longer be affordable.

Nearly 9 out of every 10 Obamacare customers nationally gets federal tax credits to help pay for their monthly insurance premiums. The subsidies are available to households that earn between one and four times the federal poverty level, or $23,850 to $95,400 for a family of four.
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In the Supreme Court case set to be orally argued next Wednesday, plaintiffs claim such financial aid cannot be granted to customers of a federally run Obamacare exchange such as HealthCare.gov because the ACA does not, as written, authorize those subsidies.The plaintiffs say the ACA only explicitly authorizes those grants for customers of Obamacare exchanges run by an individual state.

The Obama administration rejects that argument as absurd. And for now, the administration is leaving it to Republican opponents of Obamacare in Congress to decide if they will come up with a plan to deal with the potential loss of affordable insurance plans for most HealthCare.gov customers.

The Avalere analysis comes after Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell told Congress that the Obama administration has no contingency plan if it loses the case.

"We are confident that we will prevail" at the Supreme Court "because the text and structure of the Affordable Care Act demonstrates that citizens in every state would be entitled to tax credits, regardless of whether they purchased their insurance on a federal or state marketplace," Burwell wrote Congress in a letter Tuesday

While we are confident in our position, a decision against the Administration in the King case would cause massive damage," wrote Burwell, citing the fact that millions would be unable to afford their plans, healthy people would be much less likely to buy insurance and states that were not operating their own Obamacare exchange would see insurance costs rise to deal with the effects of more uninsured people receiving uncompensated hospital care.

"We know of no administrative action that could, and therefore have no plans that would, undo the massive damage to our health-care system that would be caused by an adverse decision," she wrote.

Actuaries request action

Also Tuesday, the American Academy of Actuaries asked Burwell to consider allowing insurance plans to submit premium rate requests that are contingent on possible outcomes of the Supreme Court case, or to allow plans to revise their submissions after the high court rules.

The actuaries argue that such flexibility is necessary because 2015 rates, which assume the availability of the HealthCare.gov subsidies, are already in place, while 2016 rates would be submitted before the Supreme Court is expected to rule in late June.

The group of actuaries, who determine what premiums plans should charge customers, in its letter to Burwell warned that "eliminating subsidies in [HealthCare.gov] states would likely result in significantly fewer individual market enrollees and higher average health-care costs."

boards of FL

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ppaca wrote:Obamacare premiums set to skyrocket if...


...republicans get their way.


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KarlRove

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The boondoggle continues

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Republican's may not get their way:

New revelations about the four plaintiffs fighting President Barack Obama’s health care law may dramatically shift the course of the case Wednesday, when the Supreme Court will hear both sides present their arguments for the first time.
In recent weeks, media reports have raised questions about whether the four men and women from Virginia who were recruited by a libertarian think tank to challenge the law have the right to do so. The plaintiffs’ shaky footing could prove a mark against them on Wednesday — if any of the justices decide to pursue it.

Petitioners must show they are suffering direct harm from a law in order to sue, which is referred to as standing. In this case, all four plaintiffs said the federal subsidies available to them from Obamacare pushed them over the law’s income threshold and forced them to buy health insurance or pay a penalty. They want those subsidies struck down, based on their literal interpretation of the Affordable Care Act, which suggests tax credits should have gone only to people who live in states that set up their own health care exchanges.

But two of the plaintiffs, David King and Douglas Hurst, are Vietnam veterans, which means it’s likely they qualify for insurance through the Department of Veterans Affairs and would thus not be required to buy insurance on the exchange, The Wall Street Journal recently reported. A third, Rose Luck, listed a motel as her permanent address in court papers and no longer lives there, raising questions about whether she’s in the same economic and geographic circumstances that she was when she decided to sue. And it’s possible that the fourth plaintiff, Brenda Levy, may actually qualify for the income exemption under the health care law, which would mean she does not have to purchase insurance and is not harmed by subsidies.

http://news.yahoo.com/twist-in-obamacare-supreme-court-case--weak-plaintiffs-161925430.html and the rest of the story.

KarlRove

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by boards of FL on 2/26/2015, 6:36 pm
ppaca wrote:

Obamacare premiums set to skyrocket if...


...republicans get their way.
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Don't want forced insurance

KarlRove

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Obamacare premiums set to skyrocket if: 547836_10151961730148653_1853733029_n

2seaoat



The Supreme Court has a case before them which deals with statutory construction and intent.   The Courts have for years liberally applied intent and seldom disqualify legislation by one mere contradiction within a statute.   First, the Affordable Care Act is not going to be held unconstitutional, and at best the Supreme Court would not allow subsidy in a few million folks who the Supreme Court would need to believe were not intended to be covered by health insurance.....an absurd intrusion into the legislative function, and highly unlikely.  The standing issue has some merit, and gives an easy out for the Supreme Court, but in this case there are reams of Supreme Court cases across the board holding legislative intent over contradictory language.   If the Supreme Court was going to take this action, it would be in the nature of a political question, and the Supreme Court never takes jurisdiction of the same, so having taken this to Oral arguments, it will simply be a statutory construction case, and it is highly probable the intent of congress will prevail.

KarlRove

KarlRove

This will be a chance for Chief Justice Roberts to not be Obama' bitch again. ACA gets thrown out.

2seaoat



ACA gets thrown out.

You are having some difficulty tonight with understanding things. You normally get things but like to be argumentative, but tonight you are missing the substance. The court case which has been granted Cert to the Supreme Court has NOTHING to do with throwing out the ACA. It is simply a statutory construction case as to who may get the benefits of the subsidies. Please pay attention.

Vikingwoman



This will not prevail due to the fact that states that do have state income taxes will not be eligible for tax credits like Fl. It was not meant to be just on a state level. That would discriminate against people living in these states.

KarlRove

KarlRove

[quote="2seaoat"]ACA gets thrown out.

You are having some difficulty tonight with understanding things.  You normally get things but like to be argumentative, but tonight you are missing the substance.   The court case which has been granted Cert to the Supreme Court has NOTHING to do with throwing out the ACA.   It is simply a statutory construction case as to who may get the benefits of the subsidies.   Please pay attention.[/quote
true ya got me there....I just hope that the states who refused the exchanges gets to stay, It weakens the law.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Vikingwoman wrote:This will not prevail due to the fact that states that do have state income taxes will not be eligible for tax credits like Fl. It was not meant to be just on a state level. That would discriminate against people living in these states.

Well it discriminates that I have to pay more in taxes to fund others.

Vikingwoman



Show where you have to pay more in taxes to fund others?

2seaoat



Well it discriminates that I have to pay more in taxes to fund others.




Using your stellar logic, then a progressive tax rate is per se unconstitutional. The congress only has to have a rational basis for its classification system in legislation, unless the law impacts a protected class. As of today, the protected class of the equal protection clause has not ruled that Dumb aszes need to be protected with the higher equal protection standard of compelling state interest........so I guess it passes the constitutional muster.......by golly like a bad penny you keep bringing up nonsensical constitutional theories......it is entertaining, but please pick up a constitutional course in your graduate work.

boards of FL

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KarlRove wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:This will not prevail due to the fact that states that do have state income taxes will not be eligible for tax credits like Fl. It was not meant to be just on a state level. That would discriminate against people living in these states.

Well it discriminates that I have to pay more in taxes to fund others.


You're not paying any more in taxes as a result of the ACA.


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Sure I am and I will in future because that's where the money comes from to pay for the subsidies

KarlRove

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Sure I am and I will in future because that's where the money comes from to pay for the subsidies

2seaoat



Pace, you pay the same amount of taxes with or without the ACA. You might mean that the ACA impacts the deficit, and therefore sometime in the future you may pay more taxes, but that is speculative, and assumes the ACA is not actually saving money like the congressional budget office predicted. You most certainly are not paying more taxes.

boards of FL

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KarlRove wrote:Sure I am and I will in future because that's where the money comes from to pay for the subsidies


Show us where your taxes have increased as a result of the ACA.


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