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“A Foreign Policy Vacuum”

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1“A Foreign Policy Vacuum” Empty “A Foreign Policy Vacuum” 2/17/2015, 10:42 am

gatorfan



“Great nations need organizing principles — and ‘Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle.” HRC criticizing Obamas “foreign policy” – and SHE was his SecState.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-criticizes-president-obamas-foreign-policy-in-interview-with-the-atlantic/2014/08/11/46d30564-2170-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

Obama is an international affairs simpleton, the above statement summarizes his entire foreign policy strategy.

Some folks on here believe Obama is a foreign policy strategist when in fact he is totally clueless.

“A Foreign Policy Vacuum”
By Lamont Colucci

President Barack Obama’s State of the Union address was the lightest on issues concerning foreign policy and national security in years, even by his standards of disdain for the subjects. It reminds the electorate of the abject and complete scorn the president and his administration has for international affairs and foreign policy. The brief laundry list has already been repeated so rather than revisit this list, it is far more important to discuss what was not said and what was not achieved.

First and foremost, there was not a single notion of how this administration sees American strategy – let alone how to achieve it. Americans are accused of being too focused on the present, thinking in terms of the year or the week rather than the decade or the century. This is a president that has no trajectory for the hour or the day. What will his legacy be in foreign affairs? What stamp has he made? There has not been a single success and no planning for how to keep America preeminent. If the Clinton years were a foreign policy disaster, the Obama years have been a foreign policy vacuum. Which is worse? This is a tough choice, but at least a disaster can be reversed.

Second, is the inability to direct and command. This is directly related to the first issue: Since there is no strategy, there is nowhere to lead and no allies willing to follow. We have traded a trajectory of success in Iraq and Afghanistan for a meltdown in both, while declaring a hollow victory. We allowed the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad to murder tens of thousands, let a virulent brand of Islamic extremism metastasize and put the entire Arab world into tumult.

Ronald Reagan, in his successful 1980 bid for the presidency, famously asked the American people: “Are you better off than you were four years ago?” If we take the same slogan and apply it to international affairs, the world would respond with a resounding “no.” Enemies of the United States or its interests – Russia, China, Syria, Iran and North Korea – have been emboldened. Allies have been blindsided, brushed aside or, in one case, ceased to exist: Yemen, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Great Britain, France, Japan, South Korea and Israel. Al-Qaida has new strength, the Islamic State group holds large areas of Iraq and Syria, China exerts greater influence in Asia, and the Russians make continuous advances and gains in the Ukraine. We must remind ourselves that these issues and places are interrelated: Chaos in Yemen changes the dynamic in the Persian Gulf, just as the chaos in Syria changes the dynamic in the Levant.

Third, Iran deserves special attention as this administration’s policy of appeasement under the cover of a diplomatic arrangement is now under greater fire from allies abroad and the U.S. Congress. The president’s policy of a deal at any price could literally be the tipping point to set the entire region on fire. The administration’s pursuit of such a dangerous policy calls into question all thoughts that this administration has concern for anything beyond its own failed term.

Fourth, perhaps most unbelievably, the Department of Defense was largely absent from the State of the Union address. The United States continues to have more worldwide commitments than ever before; the world is worse off now on the security front than it was four years ago; the American military is asked to do more with less. The defense budget accounts for just under 20 percent of the federal budget, but it is providing 50 percent of the sequestration cuts. Further, the paper military that continues to show some strength in combat arms is often a partial illusion as cuts in training and maintenances are hollowing out aspects of the military similar to the Jimmy Carter years. This is the most dangerous long-term policy that could affect generations.

The tired rhetoric of the administration is finally wearing thin: They can’t bring themselves to use terms like Islamic extremism, enemy combatant or even terrorism properly. They are justifying negotiating with the Taliban because they are suddenly an insurgency, but somehow the Islamic State group is not? The real question is not if the Taliban or the Islamic State group are terrorists or insurgents. They are both. Nature abhors a vacuum, international relations won’t suffer it, and the American electorate won’t forgive it.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/2015/01/30/obamas-foreign-policy-has-left-the-world-in-a-mess

2“A Foreign Policy Vacuum” Empty Re: “A Foreign Policy Vacuum” 2/17/2015, 10:49 am

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Hilary and samantha powers were the big push behind the overthrow of gaddafi in lybia... "responsibility to protect".

We see how that played out. Who here thinks that was a good idea for the united states to intervene upon?

Besides seagoat of course... the historical films will show him leading useful idiots in goose step. Yea team..!!

3“A Foreign Policy Vacuum” Empty Re: “A Foreign Policy Vacuum” 2/17/2015, 10:57 am

2seaoat



There has not been a single success and no planning for how to keep America preeminent.

Too funny......the very essence of the Obama brilliance is the creation of the very vacuum that the existing Oligarchs and Monarchies want filled with American blood and wealth. The Hollywood productions of mass beheadings, and increasingly violent videos reflect the desperation of those same folks to the steady withdrawal of American personnel from the Middle East.....equally funny is the reference to Ronald Reagan as a counter position to the creation of the vacuum when the very wisdom of Reagan on Foreign Policy was highlighted by his cut and run from the Middle East.

President Obama made it crystal clear in his two election campaigns that he would remove American troops from the Middle East, and that America would no longer try to solve everybody's problems in the world......his cut and run policy was accepted by the American electorate by near landslides twice, and the brilliance of his strategic non intervention policies is that the Oligarchs and Monarchies are getting more desperate as the people seeking freedom begin the long march to modernity as reactionary forces try to stop the same, and corrupt regimes are grasping for straws.

Even more funny is the propaganda about there being no plan.....I think the American people voted twice on the plan......and although the Hollywood productions aimed at the challenged and scared still have the Butchmeups in this world screaming for boots on the ground, there is a quiet intelligence in this land spreading as America experiences economic growth and for the first time in almost 30 years median income creep......yep some people are clueless.

4“A Foreign Policy Vacuum” Empty Re: “A Foreign Policy Vacuum” 2/17/2015, 11:02 am

gatorfan



2seaoat wrote:There has not been a single success and no planning for how to keep America preeminent.

Too funny......the very essence of the Obama brilliance is the creation of the very vacuum .yep some people are clueless.

I believe I have stated this before: Ignoring reality comes easy to Obamapologists.

You just proved that point again.

Talk about clueless!

5“A Foreign Policy Vacuum” Empty Re: “A Foreign Policy Vacuum” 2/17/2015, 11:09 am

2seaoat



Libya a failure. No boots on the ground and regime change for pennies on the dollar as the Arab Spring spreads and the march for modernity and democracy runs up against the reactionary forces which have throughout history stood in the way of modernity. Libya was brilliant. The chaos must exist between the static realms of terrorist military dictatorships of Mr. K to the multiple monarchies which steal the oil resources of their people and divide the booty among families and friends. This idea that America was in a vacuum for a century before good modern principles of democracy finally overcame evil and the reactionary forces who still exist today and would like to see the 14th amendment disappear. No for the small bus crowd pulling the car out of the ditch and saying to the world that there will be a new world paradigm which will neither involve America as much, nor continue the foreign policy which propped up monarchies, dictators, and evil to please the MIC and our Oligarchy who depended on the extraction of middle east oil.

A vacuum is exactly what you have when you extract, and all the Orwellian propaganda and Doublethink cannot turn that extraction into a bad thing. America is finally thriving as we begin to attack our own Oligarchy and special interest. President Obama's plan which was sold to the American People in two elections and voted for with overwhelming support is working PERFECTLY!

6“A Foreign Policy Vacuum” Empty Re: “A Foreign Policy Vacuum” 2/17/2015, 11:32 am

gatorfan



2seaoat wrote:Libya was brilliant.  

A vacuum is exactly what you have when you extract!

Libya a success? Wow.

Egypt is bombing ISIS cells there and U.S. special forces have been conducting raids in-country for several years. The whole country is in turmoil with rampant lawlessness thanks in part to Obama’s participation in decapitating the government through airstrikes. Yes, good job that – take away a functional government and replace it with NOTHING. That’s a prime example of the Obama vacuum policy all right.

7“A Foreign Policy Vacuum” Empty Re: “A Foreign Policy Vacuum” 2/17/2015, 11:45 am

2seaoat



take away a functional government and replace it with NOTHING.

At least you give honest answers. The American colonial power has been negligent in replacing a puppet to suppress and exploit the Libyan people.....splendid. The vacuum means we leave and the marshmallows expand into a messy new paradigm not contained by our blood and wealth and so neatly divided into particular marshmallows which serve our respective colonial power oligarchies.....America fought a revolution to create the very vacuum of what America is today without British air and exploitation.....so you think it is our job to pick the government for the people of Libya? How little was that school bus?

8“A Foreign Policy Vacuum” Empty Re: “A Foreign Policy Vacuum” 2/17/2015, 12:02 pm

gatorfan



2seaoat wrote:take away a functional government and replace it with NOTHING.

At least you give honest answers.  so you think it is our job to pick the government for the people of Libya?   How little was that school bus?

If you were even remotely intellectually honest you would admit my point is we should not have intervened. But you are not. If anyone here knows about a short bus it would be you.

9“A Foreign Policy Vacuum” Empty Re: “A Foreign Policy Vacuum” 2/17/2015, 12:10 pm

2seaoat



Tell that to the American families whose children on spring break to Europe where scattered bodies filled the Scottish countryside as Mr. K's bomb brought down that TWA plane.   The new paradigm does not require boots on the ground and trillions of wasted American dollars and blood.   The new paradigm can destroy our enemies and free the people of that country from an evil dictatorship marked with corruption and greed who will now have to suffer the next generation of violence of nation building and democracy.  Nobody ever said democracy or modernity were easy, but intellectual honesty starts with the recognition of what the old foreign policy paradigm stood for and who it supported.....the existing colonial puppet dictatorships and monarchies......start being honest with yourself.

10“A Foreign Policy Vacuum” Empty Re: “A Foreign Policy Vacuum” 2/17/2015, 12:37 pm

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