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Hey taxpayers, let's bail out the big banks...again

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TEOTWAWKI
othershoe1030
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othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Are our memories so short we can't even remember the financial crash we are not even over yet? 50 Democrats voted for this bill and the President encouraged passage. This is beyond belief. How many people (had they been given the opportunity to vote) would be in favor of rolling back the banking restrictions?

Congress has avoided a government shutdown with last-minute passage of a spending bill before Thursday’s midnight deadline. The $1.1 trillion measure had come under threat after Democrats voiced outrage over last-minute pro-corporate measures. One key provision will repeal a major rule in the Dodd-Frank financial reform bill that limits risky trades by federally insured banks. Speaking ahead of the vote, Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters said undoing critical regulation through a government spending bill must be opposed.
Rep. Maxine Waters: "Under the cover of 'must pass' legislation, big bank lobbyists are hoping that Congress will allow Wall Street to once again gamble with taxpayer money –- by reversing a provision that prohibits banks from using taxpayer-insured funds, bank deposits, to engage in risky derivatives trading activity. … This provision must be stopped. Enough is enough."
According to The New York Times, the financial giant Citigroup authored the provision in question. Another amendment will increase tenfold the amount of money allowed for certain political donations.
Despite the objections of Democrats like Maxine Waters, the White House urged lawmakers to pass the bill and avoid a shutdown. More than 50 Democrats then joined with Republicans to approve the bill in a narrow 219-to-206 vote. The measure funds all government agencies through September except for the Department of Homeland Security, whose allocation expires in February. That will set up a new showdown over immigration, with Republicans vowing to hold up additional funding in a challenge to President Obama’s reprieve for up to five million undocumented immigrants.

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I can't stand the lot of them. If we don't change our voting habits they will run the country into collective ruin.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

that damned Bush !

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Watch Senator Warren on Citigroup.  Thank God for her.

2seaoat



I think Senator Warren needs to run in the primary. I know she cannot win, but her populism is necessary as a counter weight to the Wall Street and Banksters stealing America. Special interests must be beaten by common sense, but to beat them we need courage and diligence in our representatives. Senator Warren is talking across the isle to those Republicans who share her views on those special interests. Her candidacy is necessary to change the national debate.

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2seaoat wrote:I think Senator Warren needs to run in the primary. I know she cannot win, but her populism is necessary as a counter weight to the Wall Street and Banksters stealing America. Special interests must be beaten by common sense, but to beat them we need courage and diligence in our representatives. Senator Warren is talking across the isle to those Republicans who share her views on those special interests. Her candidacy is necessary to change the national debate.

Even if she caused a shift in the rhetoric... it's still just rhetoric.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

2seaoat wrote:I think Senator Warren needs to run in the primary.  I know she cannot win, but her populism is necessary as a counter weight to the Wall Street and Banksters stealing America.   Special interests must be beaten by common sense, but to beat them we need courage and diligence in our representatives.  Senator Warren is talking across the isle to those Republicans who share her views on those special interests.  Her candidacy is necessary to change the national debate.

Bullshit!! She CAN win! Get on the bandwagon instead of tying your anchor to her rear bumper.

Everyone said Barry couldn't win the first time. Remember?

Screw Amerika Inc.! Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

2seaoat



No she cannot win, and does not want to be a national candidate because of the scrutiny. However, her message is essential. It is not rhetoric. There is legislation right now which this thread addresses.....it is not rhetoric......it is very real dollar and cents.

Sal

Sal

Warren is right where she needs to be at this moment.

Bernie Sanders will brings the populism to the primary.

2seaoat



America will fall in love with Uncle Bernie. He would make the better candidate and could bear the scrutiny. I totally respect this man who I disagree a great deal, but his logic on minimum wage is brilliant. His emphasis on the needs of Americans also is just common sense. Run Uncle Bernie.....run.

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Oh good... he would temporarily treat a symptom... and ignore the root disease. In ten years we can "solve" it again.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Wall Street quakes when Warren speaks because they know they cannot pull the wool over her eyes. She knows her way around that bunch and all their tricks.
Bernie Sanders is a wonderful straight talking sensible person. He and Warren need to push/pull Hillary to the left for sure but I'm afraid she would drift back to center/right after being elected.
Yes, Obama in '08 was a long shot but he had his supporters out and organized.It would be too ironic if Hillary had the nomination taken away from her again by a relatively inexperienced unknown candidate but it could happen.

Someone has to keep hammering away at Wall Street. I just keep being flabbergasted at the raw nerve of the bankers to introduce such language when so many people are so painfully aware of the damage in the trillions that this sort of thing has just ('09) caused.  No

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Even if they caused a shift in the rhetoric... it's still just rhetoric. I liked the bush2 pitch... hated his policies immediately.

The same could be said of the impressive obama promises... but an objective person would find the results lacking.

Results matter.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

PkrBum wrote:Even if they caused a shift in the rhetoric... it's still just rhetoric. I liked the bush2 pitch... hated his policies immediately.

The same could be said of the impressive obama promises... but an objective person would find the results lacking.

Results matter.

Results most certainly do matter that's why the financial sector spends so much on lobbying Congress.
Frist comes the rhetoric, then comes the legislation. Warren and Sanders steer the conversation to the needs of the American people as a whole and shine a light on the shenanigans of the bankers. How else do you change the system than by writing legislation that corrects problems?

It all starts as talk and with persistence and popular support can turn into a systemic change, which is what we need.

2seaoat



Of course talk matters. It leads to change. If nobody pointed out the nonsense that the bankers and wall street pull, they would continue to rob us blind. We spend 85 billion on too big to fail subsidy each year.....we need the risk of capitalism to fall on the folks in the casino, not the taxpayer. PK thinks government is all the same and that legislation does not distinguish.....silly, but there are many folks who just generally quit using there brains and generally throw their hands up and say "what do you expect from government".....that is dangerous indifference.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Go Liz, Go Bernie!!!!

Screw Amerika Inc.!! Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

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Wordslinger wrote:Go Liz, Go Bernie!!!!

Screw Amerika Inc.!! Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5584870

“I am in this race to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over,” Obama 2007

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

PkrBum wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Go Liz, Go Bernie!!!!

Screw Amerika Inc.!!  Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5584870

“I am in this race to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over,” Obama 2007

Yes, they are all too cozy with the banks. I was especially disappointed to hear that Obama had encouraged Democrats to vote for the bill. Compromise is one thing but this is not it. Compromise, to me means moving slightly toward the opposing side's view, not reversing on a key component of a major reform law.

It is just sickening to me. What in the world do the Democrats stand for if not at least protecting people's savings and keeping the banks from engaging in risky behavior that might result in taxpayers bailing them out? Aren't the banks "big boys"? Can't they stand the heat if things go wrong? Talk about welfare! No Republican anywhere at any time should ever bitch about the money spent on food stamps when they allow things like this to be put into the budget. Disgraceful.

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