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This is how republicans have dealt with major terrorists . . .

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/06/1319708/-This-is-how-Republicans-fight-terrorism?detail=email#

Reagan, Brzezinski, Rumsfield, Bin Ladin, Haqqani . . .

And republicans like Herr Markle and Pacedog have the gall to denigrate Obama . .

And so it goes.

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This is how republicans have dealt with major terrorists . . . Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQXBZ6r5kpvm9lNB_VCrFmaYocWBzlnu3LdcuFhtLAqdD5zX3dP

No, this is how....

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This is how republicans have dealt with major terrorists . . . Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZ-3O4I2M4oHxXha505ojmHOiJ8f2o44OWTc50-4_fUWtqQq7c

And this....

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This is how republicans have dealt with major terrorists . . . Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsucVlfC-qSI4T3V58_Eogi5cmgJ72hwJSgZqEBFbQ9sesAGrp

And this.....

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PACEDOG#1 wrote:This is how republicans have dealt with major terrorists . . . Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkP9veJjQqtdxbC2OBThcTkXBZcIAWN0-MAxFrEdSR-nN_SsZ0


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No asshole ... the photos of Reagan and the other republicans waltzing the terrorists was real.

By the way, as Markle keeps photos and stories on Hitler and the SS, you keep photos showing Iraqi dead.

No wonder the Iraqis hate us! C'mon, fess-up, any of those shots you have framed and hanging in your bedroom?

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And there you go again...facts in your face and you just ignore them...as usual. They are on GOOGLE gumby....

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Tell us, soldier boy, you claim we "won" the war in Iraq. Really? What did we get for our money? What did we get for our blood?

Some win!!

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

No widdle soldja ... how about National Geographic -- only you and Herr Markle would call that magazine liberal!

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:Tell us, soldier boy, you claim we "won" the war in Iraq.  Really?  What did we get for our money?  What did we get for our blood?

Some win!!

WE WON.  Yours did NOT.

In spite of that, semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama and Vice President Joe Biden who claimed VICTORY for their administration.   You know that and can't resist lying.

Clinton also said Bush should not be faulted if banned weapons of mass destruction aren't found.

"I don't think you can criticize the President for trying to act on the belief that they have a substantial amount of chemical and biological stock. . . . That is what I was always told," Clinton said.
-  Former President Clinton Wednesday, April 16, 2003

"Could Be One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" The vice president said he’d been to Iraq 17 times and visits the country every three months or so. "I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society" he said. "It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."
- Vice President Joe Biden (D) Feb. 10, 2010

How has the war President Barack Hussein Obama said we SHOULD have been fighting going?  How is the Middle East going now that President Obama is President?  Oh, Afghanistan just crossed 2,330 American fatalities.  Seventy percent of whom died since President Obama took office.



And now the Obama administration wants to TAKE CREDIT for the Iraq war…whew….



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Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Wordslinger wrote:No widdle soldja ...  how about National Geographic -- only you and Herr Markle would call that magazine liberal!

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/


BS!

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Joanimaroni wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:No widdle soldja ...  how about National Geographic -- only you and Herr Markle would call that magazine liberal!

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/


BS!

There wouldn't be any reason to conduct and publish such a subjective survey unless it served an ideologic agenda.

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word disappeared to go change his DEPENDS

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:No widdle soldja ...  how about National Geographic -- only you and Herr Markle would call that magazine liberal!

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/

Wordslinger looks for any lie he can find. It's pathetic. Wordslinger just loves stirring the pot all the time KNOWING the real facts. He just lies to stir the pot.
This is how republicans have dealt with major terrorists . . . Fatalities_zps45321193

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Slinger, I don't hang-out at DailyKOS, but that piece was pretty good.

It took some balls to post the link. You know, Markle is quick to point out left-leaning sources (but his sources are always valid......  Razz ).

So they put Nelson Mandela on a terror watch list, while inviting the Taliban into Reagan's White House? An amazing paradox!

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan


It's not a paradox. It was Reagan's modus operandi.

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-truth-about-ronald-reagan

THE TRUTH ABOUT RONALD REAGAN

December 3, 2012

I am going to talk of controversial things. I make no apology for this.

I borrowed those opening sentences from the man I'm about to skewer with truth. Ronald Wilson Reagan opened his pivotal 1964 speech (known affectionately as "The Speech" by his legion of conservative admirers), praising Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, with those very lines. In the speech, he called for privatizing Social Security, attacked Medicare and the United Nations, suggested we go to war with the Soviet Union, and claimed Democrats would impose Socialism. The speech - officially titled "A Time For Choosing" - is widely credited with propelling the famously mediocre actor (and successful FBI informant) into politics. The rest, as they say, is history.

Reagan's first foray into politics began when he was elected president of the Screen Actor's Guild in 1947. Overseeing the actors' union through arguably it's darkest hour - during the anti-communist witch hunts that eventually led to the infamous McCarthy Hearings and the notorious blacklist - it was learned many years later that Reagan was working as a paid FBI informant during those years, fingering suspected "communists" for the Bureau. He successfully veiled his duplicitous nature behind his sly winning smile and "aw shucks" demeanor, a dark harbinger of things to come.

Running for Governor of California in 1966, Reagan defended his opposition to civil rights legislation, stating "if an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house, it is his right to do so."

After losing the Republican presidential primaries in 1968 & 1976, Reagan prevailed in 1980, securing his party's nomination. How he went on to defeat incumbent President Jimmy Carter, however, is a story that's rarely told truthfully.

Reagan, we know now, made secret deals with the very Iranians who took our embassy staff hostage and brought down the Carter Administration with 444 days of inconceivable intransigence. The Iranians simply refused to deal with the President of the United States. We know now that's because they were secretly dealing with Reagan instead. Carter's bold rescue attempt failed, under a set of circumstances that, when looked at objectively, strongly suggests sabotage. Three of the eight helicopters developed engine problems. Eight American servicemen died in the operation - which, if successful, almost certainly would've guaranteed Carter's reelection. Its failure guaranteed his defeat. The hostages were released a mere hour after Reagan was inaugurated, and the hostage takers were handsomely rewarded by Reagan in the following years.

Reagan's first act in office was to suspend the head of the FDA, who was about to toss Aspartame out on its ass. Reagan's replacement approved the poison for human consumption, against the strenuous objections of FDA scientists.

Reagan gutted the budget of Project Independence (A bold initiative instituted by Richard Nixon, which aimed to free us from Middle Eastern oil dependence). Our perpetual quagmire in the Middle East, and our voracious appetite for foreign oil, exists at current levels because of Reagan's Exxon-friendly actions.

In 1982, as part of his war on (people who live in) poverty, Reagan proposed severe cuts to school lunch programs, infamously declaring ketchup a vegetable (to avoid having to include actual vegetables in school lunches). Further rubbing salt in the wound, on the very day the school lunch cuts were announced, the White House bought nearly a quarter of a million dollars worth of gold embossed china plates.

In an act of cowardice that any Democratic President would've been skewered for, after a brutal terrorist attack on our Marine Barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, which killed 241 American soldiers, Reagan simply retreated. After pledging to keep troops in the country after the attack, he instead evacuated all American troops from Lebanon over the next few months. While we lobbed some mortar shells, there was no real retaliation for the brutal attack - a lack of response credited with greatly emboldening terrorists in the region.

Reagan TRIPLED our national debt in eight years. In "The Speech", he had complained "We haven't balanced our budget 28 out of the last 34 years... and now our national debt is one and a half times bigger than all the combined debts of all the nations in the world" Reagan, however, never once balanced the budget. He exploded our debt instead. It took Bill Clinton five years (by some measures, eight) to reverse the bloated Reagan/Bush deficits, and finally turn a surplus.

Our intelligence services knew the Soviet Union was collapsing, but Reagan instead painted them as a growing menace, an evil empire, to justify his astonishing defense budget increases... and so he could take credit when they collapsed.

In an epic 1986 summit meeting in Reykjavik, Iceland, Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev offered to begin a process to completely eliminate nuclear weapons on both sides... if Reagan would only abandon Star Wars... Reagan refused. There are literally thousands of nuclear weapons in the world today that simply wouldn't exist if Reagan had agreed to Gorbachev's proposal.

Ronald Reagan epitomized the insidious evil of lying with a smile, and we'd be in a much better world if he hadn't collaborated with the Iranians to sabotage Carter... and went on to make "Bedtime for Bonzo II - Electric Boogaloo" instead...

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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Floridatexan wrote:
It's not a paradox.  It was Reagan's modus operandi.  

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-truth-about-ronald-reagan

THE TRUTH ABOUT RONALD REAGAN

December 3, 2012

I am going to talk of controversial things. I make no apology for this.

I borrowed those opening sentences from the man I'm about to skewer with truth. Ronald Wilson Reagan opened his pivotal 1964 speech (known affectionately as "The Speech" by his legion of conservative admirers), praising Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, with those very lines. In the speech, he called for privatizing Social Security, attacked Medicare and the United Nations, suggested we go to war with the Soviet Union, and claimed Democrats would impose Socialism. The speech - officially titled "A Time For Choosing" - is widely credited with propelling the famously mediocre actor (and successful FBI informant) into politics. The rest, as they say, is history.

Reagan's first foray into politics began when he was elected president of the Screen Actor's Guild in 1947. Overseeing the actors' union through arguably it's darkest hour - during the anti-communist witch hunts that eventually led to the infamous McCarthy Hearings and the notorious blacklist - it was learned many years later that Reagan was working as a paid FBI informant during those years, fingering suspected "communists" for the Bureau. He successfully veiled his duplicitous nature behind his sly winning smile and "aw shucks" demeanor, a dark harbinger of things to come.

Running for Governor of California in 1966, Reagan defended his opposition to civil rights legislation, stating "if an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house, it is his right to do so."

After losing the Republican presidential primaries in 1968 & 1976, Reagan prevailed in 1980, securing his party's nomination. How he went on to defeat incumbent President Jimmy Carter, however, is a story that's rarely told truthfully.

Reagan, we know now, made secret deals with the very Iranians who took our embassy staff hostage and brought down the Carter Administration with 444 days of inconceivable intransigence. The Iranians simply refused to deal with the President of the United States. We know now that's because they were secretly dealing with Reagan instead. Carter's bold rescue attempt failed, under a set of circumstances that, when looked at objectively, strongly suggests sabotage. Three of the eight helicopters developed engine problems. Eight American servicemen died in the operation - which, if successful, almost certainly would've guaranteed Carter's reelection. Its failure guaranteed his defeat. The hostages were released a mere hour after Reagan was inaugurated, and the hostage takers were handsomely rewarded by Reagan in the following years.

Reagan's first act in office was to suspend the head of the FDA, who was about to toss Aspartame out on its ass. Reagan's replacement approved the poison for human consumption, against the strenuous objections of FDA scientists.

Reagan gutted the budget of Project Independence (A bold initiative instituted by Richard Nixon, which aimed to free us from Middle Eastern oil dependence). Our perpetual quagmire in the Middle East, and our voracious appetite for foreign oil, exists at current levels because of Reagan's Exxon-friendly actions.

In 1982, as part of his war on (people who live in) poverty, Reagan proposed severe cuts to school lunch programs, infamously declaring ketchup a vegetable (to avoid having to include actual vegetables in school lunches). Further rubbing salt in the wound, on the very day the school lunch cuts were announced, the White House bought nearly a quarter of a million dollars worth of gold embossed china plates.

In an act of cowardice that any Democratic President would've been skewered for, after a brutal terrorist attack on our Marine Barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, which killed 241 American soldiers, Reagan simply retreated. After pledging to keep troops in the country after the attack, he instead evacuated all American troops from Lebanon over the next few months. While we lobbed some mortar shells, there was no real retaliation for the brutal attack - a lack of response credited with greatly emboldening terrorists in the region.

Reagan TRIPLED our national debt in eight years. In "The Speech", he had complained "We haven't balanced our budget 28 out of the last 34 years... and now our national debt is one and a half times bigger than all the combined debts of all the nations in the world" Reagan, however, never once balanced the budget. He exploded our debt instead. It took Bill Clinton five years (by some measures, eight) to reverse the bloated Reagan/Bush deficits, and finally turn a surplus.

Our intelligence services knew the Soviet Union was collapsing, but Reagan instead painted them as a growing menace, an evil empire, to justify his astonishing defense budget increases... and so he could take credit when they collapsed.

In an epic 1986 summit meeting in Reykjavik, Iceland, Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev offered to begin a process to completely eliminate nuclear weapons on both sides... if Reagan would only abandon Star Wars... Reagan refused. There are literally thousands of nuclear weapons in the world today that simply wouldn't exist if Reagan had agreed to Gorbachev's proposal.

Ronald Reagan epitomized the insidious evil of lying with a smile, and we'd be in a much better world if he hadn't collaborated with the Iranians to sabotage Carter... and went on to make "Bedtime for Bonzo II - Electric Boogaloo" instead...

**********************




Interesting video...... Nothing has changed between then and now. Except, the Muslim has replaced the Communist as America's new boogeyman.

We were so exploited during the Cold War era. The Russians were never the threat our government portrayed them to be. The Muslims are no different. But, the boogeyman is required to keep the $trillions$ pouring into the defense establishment and to provide a reason for our empire's militaristic behavior worldwide.

The world will be better off when the United States can no longer afford to spend more on defense than the next 15 nations combined. Those days are coming, when the U.S. debt posture forces severe cuts across all sectors of government spending.

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Guest

Star Wars is what finally bankrupted the Soviets and led to the breakup of their satellite nations. It was a great ploy (counter propaganda) that worked to a "T", because the Soviets bought into it hook, line, and sinker. It was the final round in winning the Cold War, but now have delved back into through Obama's actions. Again, he snatches defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://www.arcaneknowledge.org/histpoli/soviet.htm

1. Stagnation in the 1970s
2. Western Engagement with the USSR
3. Gorbachev’s Reforms
4. The Loss of Eastern Europe
5. Dissolution of the Soviet Union
6. Aftermath of the Dissolution

"The stunning collapse of the Soviet empire in 1989-91 has often been heralded in the West as a triumph of capitalism and democracy, as though this event were obviously a direct result of the policies of the Reagan and Thatcher governments. This self-congratulatory analysis has little relation to measurable facts, circumstances, and internal political dynamics that were the real historical causes of the deterioration of the Soviet empire and ultimately the Soviet state itself. Fiery political speeches and tough diplomatic postures make good theater, but they are ineffective at forcing political transformation in totalitarian nations, as is proven by the persistence of far less powerful Communist regimes in Cuba and east Asia in the face of punishing trade embargos. The key to understanding the reasons for the demise of the Soviet Union is to be found not in the speeches or policies of Western politicians, but in internal Soviet history..."

(more) - I don't agree entirely with the way this is presented.

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http://www.worldology.com/Europe/Europe_Articles/causes_soviet_collapse.htm

Afghanistan Quagmire: The Soviet-friendly Afghan government was threatened by anti-communist insurgents, which grew to outnumber the Afghanistan army. The USSR supplied tens of thousands of troops and war machines. However, support transformed into an invasion followed by occupation of various cities and towns, bogging the Soviets down into a guerilla war with an increasingly growing and zealous Afghan resistance movement. By the time of the Soviet withdrawal from 1987-89, nothing concrete had been gained, and the USSR left damaged and humiliated.

Perestroika: Refers to economic reforms enacted by Gorbachev in 1987, in an attempt to reverse the Soviet Union's sliding economy. Some free market elements were added, but not enough to bring about reform. The free-market policies were enough to result in failed businesses, but shortages became common as price controls were kept in place. With price ceilings limiting profits, the incentive to produce sufficient quantities was removed.

Decentralization: When the Soviet Union did allow individual republics more autonomy, tax revenues were withheld.

Glasnost: With the Soviet public becoming more disenchanted with their secretive government, Gorbachev attempted to compensate by committing to openness and transparency with the media. However, this backfired as the public learned of long-standing political cover ups revealing past and recent atrocities, missteps by leadership, social and health failures of the USSR and the true extent of national economic problems. This further eroded support for the regime.

Cherynobyl Disaster: The nuclear power plant accident in the Ukraine town of Cherynobyl. It was initially covered up by the Soviet government, compounding the health crisis, while further sowing the seeds of distrust within the constituency, as the extent of the disaster and the cover-up came to light.

Local Nationalism: With declining public perception of the Soviet government (due to political blunders), nationalism grew within each of the individual republics, creating independence ambitions in republics such as Ukraine, Belarus, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

Lack of Economic Incentives: The state-planned economic system did not provide sufficient incentives to encourage innovation and ambitious productivity.

Excessive Military Focus: The USSR was overly-focused on military build-up, neglecting domestic troubles that would play a major role in bringing down the USSR. This was largely due to the perceived need to keep pace with the massive U.S. military build up.

Reduced Motivation of Fear: Friendlier relations with the U.S. in the 70s, 80s meant that the general public was no longer completely motivated to strengthen itself against the American threat.

Ethnic Fragmentation: The USSR used “Slav Nation/Pride” propaganda as justification in creating a unified Slav state. However, Russia was clearly the favored and dominant state, while others (including Turkish/Central Asian constituents) were oppressed. Russians clearly viewed themselves as superior, despite asking client states to buy into Slav unity/patriotism/pride, which became a transparent effort to draw other Slav nations in under a false romantic ideal. As a result, non-Russians were quick to separate from the Soviet Union when it entered troubled waters.

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And the "British invasion":





Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:No widdle soldja ...  how about National Geographic -- only you and Herr Markle would call that magazine liberal!

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/

Wordslinger looks for any lie he can find.  It's pathetic.  Wordslinger just loves stirring the pot all the time KNOWING the real facts.  He just lies to stir the pot.
This is how republicans have dealt with major terrorists . . . Fatalities_zps45321193

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/

Show me the lie Herr Markle ... LOL

Published October 15, 2013

War and occupation directly and indirectly claimed the lives of about a half-million Iraqis from 2003 to 2011, according to a groundbreaking survey of 1,960 Iraqi households. The violence peaked in 2006 and 2007, say public health experts who were part of the study.
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On March 19, 2003, a U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq, beginning a ground war that culminated in the rapid capture of Baghdad and overthrow of the regime led by Saddam Hussein. A coalition-led occupation of Iraq lasted until 2011, marked by repeated bombings, an al Qaeda-linked insurgency, militia warfare, and other bloodshed in the nation of 32.6 million people.

In the new PLOS Medicine journal survey, led by public health expert Amy Hagopian of the University of Washington in Seattle, an international research team polled heads of households and siblings across Iraq. The researchers, including some from the Iraqi Ministry of Health, aimed to update and improve past estimates of the human costs of the war and occupation.

"We think it is roughly around half a million people dead. And that is likely a low estimate," says Hagopian. "People need to know the cost in human lives of the decision to go to war."

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Shall we count the afghanistan casualties by administration? Wasn't that the good war? How about libya? syria? new iraq war?

What does our money facilitate in that region? Y'all are naive indeed if you think there has been any improvement under obama.

Same shit... different party... and partisan cheerleaders. Welcome to yesterday and tomorrow asshats.

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