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Obama to Neocons over Ukraine: Screw You!

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

This tells it like it really is:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/23571-focus-putins-subtle-message-to-obama


Clearly, neither Putin nor Obama want war over the Ukraine -- but that won't satisfy FOX news or Krauthammer, Krystal, and gang.

Like Herr Markle, the hardcore neocon republicans are always looking for ways to waste American military lives and they're pissed we didn't go to war against Syria or Iran.

It's good to know your enemies!

Screw Amerika Inc!!!

Guest


Guest

Wordslinger wrote:This tells it like it really is:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/23571-focus-putins-subtle-message-to-obama


Clearly, neither Putin nor Obama want war over the Ukraine -- but that won't satisfy FOX news or Krauthammer, Krystal, and gang.

Like Herr Markle, the hardcore neocon republicans are always looking for ways to waste American military lives and they're pissed we didn't go to war against Syria or Iran.

It's good to know your enemies!

Screw Amerika Inc!!!

You mean they don't want war with each other. Basically Obama is just letting putin run all over that country, even killing people. But he did tell putin he would have more flexibility after the election. Guess he does.

There are genocides going on all over the world and we stand by and do nothing to help. Its good to know the left's idea of human rights ends at the border. Not that I disagree with that, just it doesn't fit the " save mankind" mentality the left pretends to portray.  Wink 

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

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Wordslinger wrote:This tells it like it really is:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/23571-focus-putins-subtle-message-to-obama


Clearly, neither Putin nor Obama want war over the Ukraine -- but that won't satisfy FOX news or Krauthammer, Krystal, and gang.

Like Herr Markle, the hardcore neocon republicans are always looking for ways to waste American military lives and they're pissed we didn't go to war against Syria or Iran.

It's good to know your enemies!

Screw Amerika Inc!!!

You mean they don't want war with each other. Basically Obama is just letting putin run all over that country, even killing people. But he did tell putin he would have more flexibility after the election. Guess he does.

There are genocides going on all over the world and we stand by and do nothing to help. Its good to know the left's idea of human rights ends at the border. Not that I disagree with that, just it doesn't fit the " save mankind" mentality the left pretends to portray.  Wink 


Let me speak up for the Left:  Roosevelt was a liberal and he took us through WWII. Truman was a democrat too.

As for today's liberals, we think Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan were terrible, non-productive wastes of courageous soldiers who, through the loss of their limbs, their mental stability and their lives, accomplished absolutely nothing for their country other than earning lots of bucks for the MIC.

And I for one, am not for putting a single American life or limb in jeopardy to save a Ukrainian Nazi from becoming Russian.  And you can call it personal since my Dad's family was wiped out by WWII's Ukrainian Nazis -- who wholeheartedly rounded up Jews by the thousands for their German SS bosses.

In regard to the Boku Haram kidnnapers who took 280 plus high school girls in the name of that bastard Allah, I think once they've been found, and hopefully liberated, the Islamic fundamentalist terrorists of Nigeria are properly used for testing the latest versions of napalm and white phosphorus.

But, of course, I hate all religious fundamentalists, and if it was a Christian group who stole children and threatened to sell them, in the name of J. Christ and co., I'd advocate frying that group as well.

Hope the above helps you understand we Leftists a little better ...



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2seaoat



Basically Obama is just letting putin run all over that country, even killing people.

Obama is doing that......ok, you are president......please tell us your solution. It is easy to talk chit about things you have not the slightest idea, but we all await your brilliance. Somebody might want to copy and paste your answer and email it to the President.

Guest


Guest

2seaoat wrote: Basically Obama is just letting putin run all over that country, even killing people.

Obama is doing that......ok, you are president......please tell us your solution.  It is easy to talk chit about things you have not the slightest idea, but we all await your brilliance.  Somebody might want to copy and paste your answer and email it to the President.

I would have called his bluff on DAY ONE.

NATO is on board with it, only bummer isn't. I would have sent every single air craft carrier over there, and a slew of bombers and parked those sons of bitches on every airport space I could find. ON DAY ONE.

Why, because what you don't understand because you have "narrow" vision" is that Crimea is a strategic base for Russia, but ONLY if they have LAND ACCESS, which they are currently achieving. See, the Russians were there, yes, but they didn't have land access to it. So at the end of the day what has occurred is a very strategic maneuver on russias part to secure that sea base which may comeback to bite us in the ass.

You may play cards, but you suck at chess.

2seaoat



You are a unmitigated fool.  So you would send our aircraft carriers into harms way when we have ample fixed airbases which could handle ALL our operations in western Europe, but to what end?  Could we defeat the Russians in a conventional war?  Yes.  Would it escalate to tactical nuclear weapons.....yes.   Tell me your plan to contain the Russian tanks and the millions of lives lost and the trillions of lost infrastructure.   Do you think a Russian cruise missile launched in your back yard would get your attention.  The only way a bluff works if you are willing to go all in.  Only a mad man would make that bluff.  You confuse a perfectly executed bluff in Syria by the President with going to somebody who can hurt you and spitting on them.   President Obama is doing a bad job because he did not move our aircraft carriers........fricking fool.



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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

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2seaoat wrote: Basically Obama is just letting putin run all over that country, even killing people.

Obama is doing that......ok, you are president......please tell us your solution.  It is easy to talk chit about things you have not the slightest idea, but we all await your brilliance.  Somebody might want to copy and paste your answer and email it to the President.

I would have called his bluff on DAY ONE.

NATO is on board with it, only bummer isn't. I would have sent every single air craft carrier over there, and a slew of bombers and parked those sons of bitches on every airport space I could find. ON DAY ONE.

Why, because what you don't understand because you have "narrow" vision" is that Crimea is a strategic base for Russia, but ONLY if they have LAND ACCESS, which they are currently achieving. See, the Russians were there, yes, but they didn't have land access to it. So at the end of the day what has occurred is a very strategic maneuver on russias part to secure that sea base which may comeback to bite us in the ass.

You may play cards, but you suck at chess.

If we had done exactly as you suggest, we'd be at war with Russia. And, I figure that's exactly what you and your kind want.

You really should study Russian history -- you'll learn they don't back off when shoved. They didn't during the cold war, and they won't now either.

In your zeal to defame our African American president, you conveniently avoid pointing out that the majority of people living in Crimea are ethnic Russians who want to be Russian. They voted for it. And for the U.S., the loss of Crimea has little if anything to do with the potential loss of Ukraine -- which it's becoming ever more clear, Putin wants the way you want ovarian cancer.

2seaoat



She has never studied history, lest of all Russian history, and she is just one more fool acting like we have defined Crimea under Kennan criteria of America national interests.....we have not......she is so blissfully ignorant that she has no clues how far over her head she is....but that has not stopped her from commenting on other subjects. Yea....Obama sucks because he did not move all our aircraft carriers to waters around Russia......fricking brilliant.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote: Basically Obama is just letting putin run all over that country, even killing people.

Obama is doing that......ok, you are president......please tell us your solution.  It is easy to talk chit about things you have not the slightest idea, but we all await your brilliance.  Somebody might want to copy and paste your answer and email it to the President.

As you well know, it started with President Barack Hussein Obama's grand apology tour and has not slowed down a bit.  Leaders of other countries ridicule our President for "drawing a red line", then dividing it into 12 pink lines inviting everyone to walk all over him.  President Obama was even caught sending a message to Vladimir Putin that after his re-election, he (President Obama) would be free to do nothing.

How is Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria, Ukraine, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, IRS, AP, NSA and now the VA hospitals working out?

Obama to Neocons over Ukraine: Screw You! ShrinkMilitary_zpsf141c8b5



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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote: Basically Obama is just letting putin run all over that country, even killing people.

Obama is doing that......ok, you are president......please tell us your solution.  It is easy to talk chit about things you have not the slightest idea, but we all await your brilliance.  Somebody might want to copy and paste your answer and email it to the President.

As you well know, it started with President Barack Hussein Obama's grand apology tour and has not slowed down a bit.  Leaders of other countries ridicule our President for "drawing a red line", then dividing it into 12 pink lines inviting everyone to walk all over him.  President Obama was even caught sending a message to Vladimir Putin that after his re-election, he (President Obama) would be free to do nothing.

How is Iran, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria, Ukraine, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, IRS, AP, NSA and now the VA hospitals working out?

Obama to Neocons over Ukraine: Screw You! ShrinkMilitary_zpsf141c8b5



What was the body count for Bush? For Obama so far?

It looks like Obama's foreign policy decisions are a helluva lot better for America!

2seaoat



President Obama has been brilliant in Foreign Affairs. The inability of Markle to recognize the same is at least consistent.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Herr Markle and his Nazi friends think there's a great advantage in having the world see America as best-armed policeman -- or a loose cannon -- take your pick.

Yessirree sir, somebody don't talk the way we like, we move a few carriers their way, re target our missiles, and put their entire country on TV with our satellite spy drones.  Hot damn, that'll show'em what for!

Like I've said here before, Herr Markle never wore a uniform, and for sure his kids won't fight the next catastrophe overseas ...

But just like his idol Dubya, he's rock solid in believing it pays to pretend to be tough. But that's what his party believes also.

Reality.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

...we all await your brilliance....

How much time do you have?

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Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote: Basically Obama is just letting putin run all over that country, even killing people.

Obama is doing that......ok, you are president......please tell us your solution.  It is easy to talk chit about things you have not the slightest idea, but we all await your brilliance.  Somebody might want to copy and paste your answer and email it to the President.

As you well know, it started with President Barack Hussein Obama's grand apology tour and has not slowed down a bit.  Leaders of other countries ridicule our President for "drawing a red line", then dividing it into 12 pink lines inviting everyone to walk all over him.  President Obama was even caught sending a message to Vladimir Putin that after his re-election, he (President Obama) would be free to do nothing.

How is Iran, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria, Ukraine, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, IRS, AP, NSA and now the VA hospitals working out?

Obama to Neocons over Ukraine: Screw You! ShrinkMilitary_zpsf141c8b5

What was the body count for Bush?  For Obama so far?  

It looks like Obama's foreign policy decisions are a helluva lot better for America!

YES, if as you believe, we should be a third rate nation.

Who voted for the action in Iraq and Afghanistan?

How many resolutions did the UN vote for against Iraq?

Was it NOT President Barack Hussein Obama who said Iran was the wrong war and we should be in Afghanistan? Who has had, by far, the most American fatalities in Afghanistan?

Obama to Neocons over Ukraine: Screw You! ObamaMarines

2seaoat



Showing a dead body and a marine holding an umbrella has exactly what to do with foreign Policy? Are you suggesting that Chris should have been micro managed by the President of the United States? Are you suggesting that our military has become incompetent with a change in the President. Are you suggesting that the CIA did a bad job in Libya? Or are you just posting obscene photos of dead Americans because you think that makes an argument.......if that is the case there are thousands of parents who are not seeing their children dead because the president got us out of Iraq, and your folks made THOUSANDS of parents sad.......and where were the fund raisers on those photos.......President Obama has done a stellar job in Foreign Relations and the body count alone should suggest we finally have common sense.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

2seaoat wrote:Showing a dead body and a marine holding an umbrella has exactly what to do with foreign Policy?   Are you suggesting that Chris should have been micro managed by the President of the United States?  Are you suggesting that our military has become incompetent with a change in the President.  Are you suggesting that the CIA did a bad job in Libya?   Or are you just posting obscene photos of dead Americans because you think that makes an argument.......if that is the case there are thousands of parents who are not seeing their children dead because the president got us out of Iraq, and your folks made THOUSANDS of parents sad.......and where were the fund raisers on those photos.......President Obama has done a stellar job in Foreign Relations and the body count alone should suggest we finally have common sense.

Poster Markle must be a closet necrophiliac......  He sure seems to be very interested in blood, gore, and dead bodies......  Twisted Evil

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Markle

Markle

[quote="2seaoat"]Showing a dead body and a marine holding an umbrella has exactly what to do with foreign Policy?   Are you suggesting that Chris should have been micro managed by the President of the United States?  Are you suggesting that our military has become incompetent with a change in the President.  Are you suggesting that the CIA did a bad job in Libya?   Or are you just posting obscene photos of dead Americans because you think that makes an argument.......if that is the case there are thousands of parents who are not seeing their children dead because the president got us out of Iraq, and your folks made THOUSANDS of parents sad.......and where were the fund raisers on those photos.......President Obama has done a stellar job in Foreign Relations and the body count alone should suggest we finally have common sense.[/quote]

Afghanistan US Fatalities:
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2seaoat



He sure seems to be very interested in blood, gore, and dead bodies...... Twisted Evil

He comes the closest to matching those folks that thought their cause was so profound that they should obscenely protests our soldier's funerals.......except his is ten times more offensive. Evil people have no conscious or even understand civil debate, so the more outrageous the demonstration at a military funeral, their mission is accomplished......when talking about the President's stellar job in foreign relations, Mr. Markle thinks showing the dead body of an American somehow connects to the President, like homosexuality is somehow responsible for the veteran's death......sick people think alike. I am surprised Mr. Markle does not have a membership in the Westboro Church.

2seaoat



We leave Afghanastan in 2014 as promised. President Obama did not put us there, but he will get us out. When he does, you will be the first to argue we have surrendered. Sorry, he will get us out.....just like he promised.

Guest


Guest

2seaoat wrote:You are a unmitigated fool.  So you would send our aircraft carriers into harms way when we have ample fixed airbases which could handle ALL our operations in western Europe, but to what end?  Could we defeat the Russians in a conventional war?  Yes.  Would it escalate to tactical nuclear weapons.....yes.   Tell me your plan to contain the Russian tanks and the millions of lives lost and the trillions of lost infrastructure.   Do you think a Russian cruise missile launched in your back yard would get your attention.  The only way a bluff works if you are willing to go all in.  Only a mad man would make that bluff.  You confuse a perfectly executed bluff in Syria by the President with going to somebody who can hurt you and spitting on them.   President Obama is doing a bad job because he did not move our aircraft carriers........fricking fool.

One thing about being a leader. You have to be strong enough to make hard decisions even if you're scared.

Russia is not a super power. And thanks to Obama now every little teeny little tyrant in the world thinks they an kick our ass and shit in our faces.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=russia

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=united-states-of-america


You can call me a fool today, but 10 years from now or perhaps sooner when this little tid bit of history plays out, and it always does, I wont be a fool then.

But lets not forget. That's what I would do on day one of him moving into place see, I also would have never promised putin not to interfere, and we all know he did that. Lie if you must about that. Its the known secret.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

2seaoat wrote:He sure seems to be very interested in blood, gore, and dead bodies......  Twisted Evil

He comes the closest to matching those folks that thought their cause was so profound that they should obscenely protests our soldier's funerals.......except his is ten times more offensive.   Evil people have no conscious or even understand civil debate, so the more outrageous the demonstration at a military funeral, their mission is accomplished......when talking about the President's stellar job in foreign relations, Mr. Markle thinks showing the dead body of an American somehow connects to the President, like homosexuality is somehow responsible for the veteran's death......sick people think alike.  I am surprised Mr. Markle does not have a membership in the Westboro Church.

Obama to Neocons over Ukraine: Screw You! Mario_10

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2seaoat



This whole Benghazi smells of a Westboro protest which is blaming the dead vet.......for homosexuality........Mr. Markle random propaganda associations I have been spending two years showing how utterly simplistic and wrong they are.......fortunately his chit gets a motorcycle escort around here......

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote: Basically Obama is just letting putin run all over that country, even killing people.

Obama is doing that......ok, you are president......please tell us your solution.  It is easy to talk chit about things you have not the slightest idea, but we all await your brilliance.  Somebody might want to copy and paste your answer and email it to the President.

As you well know, it started with President Barack Hussein Obama's grand apology tour and has not slowed down a bit.  Leaders of other countries ridicule our President for "drawing a red line", then dividing it into 12 pink lines inviting everyone to walk all over him.  President Obama was even caught sending a message to Vladimir Putin that after his re-election, he (President Obama) would be free to do nothing.

How is Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria, Ukraine, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, IRS, AP, NSA and now the VA hospitals working out?

Obama to Neocons over Ukraine: Screw You! ShrinkMilitary_zpsf141c8b5

NO IT DIDN'T YOU SHAMELESS TROLL...claiming to be a Christian...what claptrap. It started long before...here's some Reagan history for you...refute it...you can't.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/27/1251119/-Hoaxes-101-Losing-241-at-Beirut-in-1983-Didn-t-Happen-No-More#

"October 23rd, 1983. Ronald Reagan was President of the United States.

What stood out then, particularly on television, was the toll of 241 dead at Marine BLT Barracks at Beirut Airport. Yet on the 30th Anniversary last week, in 2013, nothing appeared on television to commemorate those losses. Not a word on network news or the commentary shows.

These were revenge killings; for Muslims, the term "retaliation" is more appropriate. In all, four truck bombs killed 398 people to take revenge for months of Ronald Reagan using the offshore guns of the U.S. Navy to shell Lebanese villages. Those bombardments killed more than a thousand people, slaughtering Druze and Muslims indiscriminately. The technology for the bombs was provided by Iran. There, for the Iran-Iraq War, Reagan had reversed Jimmy Carter's Executive Order and taken to supplying material support for Saddam Hussein. This despite Saddam's use of nerve gas to kill tens of thousands of Iranians, including civilians.

"Teach them a lesson" from Reagan in the Oval Office had produced unanticipated consequences.

Corporate media avoid all mention of the Beirut, Lebanon "peacekeeping" invasion -- despite that the CBS program 60 Minutes is taking time tonight to replay the Benghazi attack and street riot that killed 4 on September 11, 2012.

No comparisons allowed.

Erasing the events of Lebanon 1983 also supports the long-term propaganda goal of portraying Ronald Reagan as a competent Commander in Chief. That is an important goal for conservative politics. Having Reagan seen as being good at everything is essential to claiming that he was a great president.

Early on, NBC had Reagan's Secretary of State, George Shultz, on Meet the Press. He claimed, fantastically, that Ronald Reagan was undefeated in his foreign military adventures. Shultz also stated a whopper of a lie: that the invasion of Grenada on October 25th of 1983 was "the first use of the American military overseas since Vietnam."

For those of us with connections to the Marine Corps that lie astonished. The Grenada distraction started 2 days after the Marine BLT Barracks was shattered. Shultz initiated what has become a concerted Republican effort to rewrite popular history: the disasters of Lebanon 1983 are erased.

Corporate media goes all in for Pearl Harbor Day when December 7th rolls around. That happened when a Democrat was in the White House.

Plainly, Republicans and their corporate allies would forget the military dead where it is politically convenient to forget them. Lying does not matter. They mislead their "Base" with gross lies, paranoid whining, and empty promises. They care for nothing but their own advancement.

Lie about the dead, ye superpatriots. IOKIYAR.

When Lebanon 1983 is mentioned, for such as resume material, the bombings are blamed on Hezbollah. That is one more lie. Another distraction. In 1983 the Arab militias in Lebanon were fragmented. There was no Hezbollah, not yet. Plus, the Iranians were the ones who supplied the detonation technology and management resource; we know who carried out the bombings and where they are mourned.

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I'm not going to put in pictures.
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More of what you will not learn from corporate media -- what happened, how and why our guys died, how Hezbollah was founded -- more coverage below the orange muffin..."

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READ THE REST. What did Reagan do after those 241 Marines were killed? Started a war, of course...with GRENADA...2 DAYS LATER. And WHY were they killed? Because he ordered them there on a "peacekeeping mission" while simultaneously lobbing bombs at innocent Lebanese villagers.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg for the Reagan administration and both Bushes. Dig deeper and you'll find a trail of slime that predates the Kennedy assassination by decades. Prescott Bush directly financed the Nazis in WWII. That is documented. Now you warmongering idiots want to start WWIII.





Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:We leave Afghanastan in 2014 as promised.  President Obama did not put us there, but he will get us out.   When he does, you will be the first to argue we have surrendered.   Sorry,  he will get us out.....just like he promised.

Didn't he promise to have us out in 16 months? Or was that another President Barack Hussein Obama? You know, the one who promised to close GITMO and then realized there are some really bad people in the world, NO ONE WANTS.

What is happening in Iraq after President Obama pulled out all our troops?

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote: Basically Obama is just letting putin run all over that country, even killing people.

Obama is doing that......ok, you are president......please tell us your solution.  It is easy to talk chit about things you have not the slightest idea, but we all await your brilliance.  Somebody might want to copy and paste your answer and email it to the President.

As you well know, it started with President Barack Hussein Obama's grand apology tour and has not slowed down a bit.  Leaders of other countries ridicule our President for "drawing a red line", then dividing it into 12 pink lines inviting everyone to walk all over him.  President Obama was even caught sending a message to Vladimir Putin that after his re-election, he (President Obama) would be free to do nothing.

How is Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Nigeria, Ukraine, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, IRS, AP, NSA and now the VA hospitals working out?

Obama to Neocons over Ukraine: Screw You! ShrinkMilitary_zpsf141c8b5

NO IT DIDN'T YOU SHAMELESS TROLL...claiming to be a Christian...what claptrap.  It started long before...here's some Reagan history for you...refute it...you can't.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/27/1251119/-Hoaxes-101-Losing-241-at-Beirut-in-1983-Didn-t-Happen-No-More#

 Prescott Bush directly financed the Nazis in WWII.  That is documented.  Now you warmongering idiots want to start WWIII.

The DAILYKOS...really?

And you also know that Prescott Bush did not directly finance the Nazis. You Progressives are SO easy!

Union Banking Corporation

Bush was one of seven directors (including W. Averell Harriman) of the Union Banking Corporation (holding a single share as a director), an investment bank that operated as a clearing house for many assets and enterprises held by German steel magnate Fritz Thyssen. In July 1942, the bank was suspected of holding gold on behalf of Nazi leaders. A subsequent government investigation disproved those allegations but confirmed the Thyssens' control, and in October 1942 the United States seized the bank under the Trading with the Enemy Act and held the assets for the duration of World War II.

According to journalist Joe Conason, Prescott Bush's involvement with UBC was purely commercial and he was not a Nazi sympathizer. The Anti-Defamation League and historian Herbert Parmet agreed with that assessment.

So who are the idiots and are you so desperate that's all you can do? Behave like a little kid on the playground?



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