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1ADHD Empty ADHD 1/5/2014, 12:14 am

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From the New York Post

Pop quiz: Is the proportion of American children suffering from the disease known as attention deficit and hyperactivity disorder . . .
a) Less than 5%, as we believed before the early 1990s?
b) More than 11%, and rising, as suggested by CDC statistics?
c) Zero?
The correct answer is (c), says neurologist Richard Saul in his forthcoming book, “ADHD Does Not Exist: The Truth About Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder” (HarperWave), which is sure to cause controversy when it comes out in February.
After a long career treating patients complaining of such problems as short attention spans and an inability to focus, Saul is convinced that ADHD is a collection of symptoms, not a disease, and shouldn’t be listed in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual.
Treating ADHD as a disease is a huge mistake, according to Saul. Imagine walking into a doctor’s office with severe abdominal pains and simply being prescribed painkillers. Then you walk away, pain-free. Later you die of appendicitis.
Patients show up at the clinic with their own ADHD diagnoses these days, simply because ADHD is in the air all around us — and because they want to score some delightful drugs like Adderall or Ritalin, or because their parents want an easy way to get them to sit down and shut up.
Adderall and Ritalin are stimulants, though, and the more you take them the more you develop a tolerance for them, which can lead to a dangerous addiction spiral.
The term attention deficit disorder was made official in 1980, when it appeared in that year’s edition of the DSM (the label changed to ADHD seven years later). Subsequent editions have steadily loosened the definition, and diagnoses have skyrocketed accordingly — from 7.8% in 2003 to 9.5% in 2007 to 11% in 2011. That’s one in nine children, two-thirds of them boys, who are being slapped with the ADHD label. Two-thirds of these children have been prescribed a stimulant.
“ADHD makes a great excuse,” Saul notes. “The diagnosis can be an easy-to-reach-for crutch. Moreover, there’s an attractive element to an ADHD diagnosis, especially in adults — it can be exciting to think of oneself as involved in many things at once, rather than stuck in a boring rut.”
In private practice, Saul found himself wondering, what other problems do these patients have besides being easily distracted? One girl he treated, it turned out, was being disruptive in class because she couldn’t see the blackboard. Correct diagnois: myopia. She needed glasses, not drugs.
A 36-year-old man who complained about his addiction to online games and guessed he had ADHD, it turned out, was drinking too much coffee and sleeping only four to five hours a night. Correct diagnosis: sleep deprivation. He needed blackout shades, a white-noise machine and a program that shut all his devices off at midnight.
A young man who asked, “Can’t you just ask me a few questions and write me a prescription?” simply left the office when Saul started probing too deeply into whatever was ailing him.
One by one, nearly all of Saul’s patients turned out to have some disease other than ADHD, such as Tourette’s, OCD, fragile X syndrome (a genetic mutation linked to mental retardation), autism, fetal alcohol syndrome, learning disabilities or such familiar conditions as substance abuse, poor hearing or even giftedness. A boy who was disruptive and inattentive in math class (but no other) was, simply, bored by the material and needed to be advanced a grade to regain his concentration.
In a few cases, there was simply no diagnosis. One adult who thought she had ADHD and had been prescribed stimulants by another doctor got a different take from Saul. He advised her to instead return to her habit of exercising regularly and cut back on work hours.
“I now realize it wasn’t ADHD,” she told him later, pleased with the progress she made as a result. “It was just life.”
The explosion in ADHD diagnoses and related prescriptions of stimulants is not without substantial costs. Potentially addictive drugs are not to be given out like Skittles.
“I know of far too many colleagues,” Saul writes, “who are willing to write a prescription for a stimulant with only a cursory examination of the patient, such as the ‘two-minute checklist,’ for ADHD.”
Two minutes to jot down a prescription may lead to years of consequences: short-term side effects of stimulants include loss of sleep, increased anxiety, irritability and mood problems. Over the long term, use of these drugs can lead to unhealthy weight loss, poor concentration and memory, even reduced life expectancy or self-destructive behaviors not excluding suicide
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2ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 12:22 am

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Ask an experienced school teacher if these kids are just a statistic......or do they really exist. Also ask if these kids were anywhere near this many 30 years ago. My wife was overwhelmed by disruptions in her classes the last 10 years of her career. In the late 70s this was much rarer. I think the author has some very good points, but where the rubber meets the road....it is obvious.

3ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 12:23 am

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You think drugs are the answer?

4ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 12:27 am

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Mr Ichi wrote:You think drugs are the answer?

no, they need parents and possibly a ass whooping.

5ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 12:34 am

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You think drugs are the answer?


I think each kid must be looked at individually and these type of generalizations are often counter productive. In some cases drugs are an easy answer for parents. In other cases they are a life saver for the kid. My wife would come home and talk with me for hours about how something had changed with kids in the classroom. You only have to about fifth grade to save a kid from a lifetime of deficiency and pain. My brother was one of these kids, and back in the 1950s and 1960s they just took these discipline problems into special classes and isolated them from the other students. He is a successful multi millionaire today living in 13k square foot home with elevators semi retired in AZ, because school did not work for him and he could take an engine apart and that energy would not be judged by a teacher who wanted him compliant and quiet. These kids are often very intelligent but the system just cannot deal with their disruptions. My brother is a poster child that from total chaos success can be achieved. His teachers would consistently have put him as the least likely to succeed.

6ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 12:42 am

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2seaoat wrote:You think drugs are the answer?
These kids are often very intelligent .

where did you get this statistic?

7ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 12:48 am

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I graduated High school in 1960. There were no special  "classes".  They either expelled  or suspended  you or you failed the grade. If you were disruptive you could not attend school.  If you really messed up you went to "Marrinana" to juvenile detention center.  But then "Homeless" people were called "Bums and Trash"

8ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 1:03 am

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where did you get this statistic?


What statistic. If you are referencing ADH and intelligence it is variable. My brother was what they called then hyper active. He just barely passed each grade, and then the crap hit the fan. He took his first standardized Iowa basic test and scored the highest in his class.....by a lot.....the teacher tried to blame all his failings on my mother, and acted like she could handle this kid. My father died when he was in the second grade, and he already was out of control. My wife in her teachings found high aptitudes in certain areas, but when a kid cannot learn basic skill in first and second grade, they carry that handicap for a lifetime. My brother could hide his deficiencies, and his wife worked with him on the written part, and he was a lifetime learner. He became even more so when the kids realized how deficient his skills were.....a very good motivator. I always give my brother as an example for parents who are about to give up........the teachers are not always right.....that hyper active kid may be the one who surpasses everybody else in the class.

9ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 1:07 am

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Did your Brother take medication  for his condition?

10ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 1:21 am

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2seaoat wrote:Ask an experienced school teacher if these kids are just a statistic......or do they really exist.   Also ask if these kids were anywhere near this many 30 years ago.  My wife was overwhelmed by disruptions in her classes the last 10 years of her career.  In the late 70s this was much rarer.   I think the author has some very good points, but where the rubber meets the road....it is obvious.

In years before the late 70's there was something called discipline in the classroom AND many more people were responsible parents. If you got in trouble in school, and got a swat, when you went home parents didn't call an attorney they disciplined you further.

Disruptive or low performing students aren't removed from the classroom, they remain and lower the teaching level for the entire class.

And we wonder why....
ADHD ClintonandChild

11ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 1:26 am

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Chrissy wrote:
2seaoat wrote:You think drugs are the answer?
 These kids are often very intelligent .

where did you get this statistic?

Due to the dumbing down of schools today, some very intelligent kids are bored to tears and act out from boredom.

Mostly I blame the parents or lack thereof.

12ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 1:32 am

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Did your Brother take medication for his condition?


Nope, he was just considered to be a behavior problem. Starting fires, tearing things up, disobeying verbal commands, not able to stay in one place very long.........back then everybody would just discipline him like he intentionally could control himself.

13ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 1:37 am

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So how did he get better and become a millionaire?

14ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 1:40 am

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Mostly I blame the parents or lack thereof.



Would you blame the parents if the child was born with a leg missing and could not do well in gym class. It is a bit more complex. However, I agree 110% that inclusion has crashed our education system. It sounds good in theory, but teachers on the front lines are faced with impossible situations.

15ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 1:43 am

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Markle wrote:
Chrissy wrote:
2seaoat wrote:You think drugs are the answer?
 These kids are often very intelligent .

where did you get this statistic?

Due to the dumbing down of schools today, some very intelligent kids are bored to tears and act out from boredom.

Mostly I blame the parents or lack thereof.

I can agree with that, no label needed, just guidance

However, my question was specific to the intelligence of children with ADHD as a group, per seaoats comment,insinuation,

I happen to agree with the article. btw

Ive seen teachers TRY and SUGGEST diagnosis of ADHD to parents as if they can diagnose it. Ive seen parents WANT to get a diagnosis of this just to reap gov benefits. most of these children are very disruptive to the class. We had some struggles with my son who has autism which is very different from ADHD. night and day.

ADHD is abused, and from what ive seen a good parent and some discipline would go a long way, but we seem to have gone past the days where the idea of tending to even our own childrens poor behavior belongs to us but instead belongs to the gov and/or a doc.

16ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 2:02 am

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So how did he get better and become a millionaire?


He hung out with a bunch of other kids who had been deemed unworthy by the educational institution. They liked mechanical things. He would tear up motors and put them back together. He figured out how things worked, and after high school he worked in a factory on the assembly line.....he began working on trucks and earth moving equipment. He started doing some landscaping and excavation after work, and in the downturn in 1981 he was laid off for 9 months from his fulltime job and he began buying bigger equipment and doing bigger side jobs. He went back to the factory, but in three years he was making twice what he made doing side jobs, and had bought some trucks at the bottom of the 81-82 downturn, and finally quit his job. He started installing sewer lines, excavating generally, and had about five drivers working for him. About 1990 he moved into commercial buildings, and the boom began and he was in the right place at the right time. He would build 45k square foot buildings and do the excavating, concrete work, sub mechanicals, and have a steel building built. He was up to about 10 buildings which were bringing him 850k passive income, and had 125 employees before the downturn and giving the company to his son. His personal income in some of those years was over two million dollars a year....he spent a million on the lot in Arizona, and he put 4 million in the house doing all the excavating work as they had two monster Cat excavators with rock attachements as he carved his dream house out of the mountain. His projector in his theater cost 75k, and he has paintings in the house worth over 500k. With the downturn he is buying condos at fifty cents on the dollar and the banks are calling him to get them out of a jam.

I have a business partner just like my brother, and he too has had unprecedented success, and also had a very bad experience in school where they both were made to feel inferior to others. Now I would be lying if I told you both these men only worked eight hour days......they worked 14 hour days almost seven days a week during the boom and that hyperactivity just evolved into being work aholics.......in the end money does not buy happiness, but only in America can a person who was working on a production line rise to the level both these men have achieved.

17ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 2:05 am

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Would he have been as successful if he had been given/taken drugs for his condition?

18ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 2:13 am

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Would he have been as successful if he had been given/taken drugs for his condition?


I do not have that answer. I suspect that it would have caused him much less stress. In the later year he was dealing with top management in fortune 500 companies on major expansions on their commercial buildings, and his deficiencies were often hard to cover up, but he was excellent with numbers, but noi so much with words, so he verbally could cover up his deficiency. I think he would have had much less stress and anxiety if they had at least in the primary grades helped him to stay in his seat and listen, but again I do not have that answer, nor do I think the folks in 1963 had the options available today.

19ADHD Empty Re: ADHD 1/5/2014, 2:20 am

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You know the answer. The drugs would have stifled his hyperactivity and ruined his life. He learned to cope with what nature had dealt him. This is as it should be. You have just proved the case against drugs in schools.

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