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Was Mandela a Communist as the right claims?

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Floridatexan
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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Cantor, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and many other far right spokespersons claim that Mandela did some good things but condemn him for being a communist.

Of course, they're lying ... and of course, they're racists who won't face the truth:  Reagan was against overthrowing Apartheid, as was most of the republican party.  The United States did absolutely nothing to help Mandela and the African revolutionaries bring Apartheid -- with all its horrors -- to an end.  In fact, most of the industrialized west -- including England -- argued for a far more "gradual" termination of South Africa's racist laws.

Unlike the leaders of England and America who opposed ending Apartheid, Gaddafi, Arafat, Castro, and the Russians and Chinese wholeheartedly embraced Mandela and his goals.  In simple terms, it wasn't American leaders who supported the struggle against Apartheid, it was the communists and socialists of the world  who got behind the struggle to end governmental racism.  Period.  

The truth is, Mandela welcomed support from every direction.  And ironically, the current government of South Africa, which he formed as its leader, is a functioning, capitalist democracy embraced by the west.

Of course, our far right enemies -- like Markle and his friends -- are still pissed that racism (in South Africa) was brought to its rightful end by a black man who welcomed any avenue of support for his movement.

Any American who criticizes Mandela for his tactics in overthrowing the bloody, cruel and oppressive government of the old South Africa, makes it clear to all of us that he or she is very much a racist themselves -- and any anger they communicate about Mandela's actions and history -- tells us they are still pissed because because slavery here no longer exists.

The real ethical, moral question isn't why Mandela accepted support from communists, but why America opposed his fight for freedom and equality!

Reality!

Screw Amerika Inc!!

Guest


Guest

And a terrorist at
That who advocated extermination of all whites in South Africa

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:Cantor, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and many other far right spokespersons claim that Mandela did some good things but condemn him for being a communist.

Of course, they're lying ... and of course, they're racists who won't face the truth:  Reagan was against overthrowing Apartheid, as was most of the republican party.  The United States did absolutely nothing to help Mandela and the African revolutionaries bring Apartheid -- with all its horrors -- to an end.  In fact, most of the industrialized west -- including England -- argued for a far more "gradual" termination of South Africa's racist laws.

[...]

The real ethical, moral question isn't why Mandela accepted support from communists, but why America opposed his fight for freedom and equality!

Reality!

Screw Amerika Inc!!
He was openly Socialist/Communist.


I hate to think what you packed into that history book of yours.  Bet it's listed under Fiction.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

You might want to read this.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/genocide-looms-for-white-farmers/

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:Cantor, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and many other far right spokespersons claim that Mandela did some good things but condemn him for being a communist.

Of course, they're lying ... and of course, they're racists who won't face the truth:  Reagan was against overthrowing Apartheid, as was most of the republican party.

[...]

Of course, our far right enemies -- like Markle and his friends -- are still pissed that racism (in South Africa) was brought to its rightful end by a black man who welcomed any avenue of support for his movement.

Any American who criticizes Mandela for his tactics in overthrowing the bloody, cruel and oppressive government of the old South Africa, makes it clear to all of us that he or she is very much a racist themselves -- and any anger they communicate about Mandela's actions and history -- tells us they are still pissed because because slavery here no longer exists.

The real ethical, moral question isn't why Mandela accepted support from communists, but why America opposed his fight for freedom and equality!

Reality!

Screw Amerika Inc!!
Was Mandela a Communist as the right claims? ShoutRacist

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Cantor, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and many other far right spokespersons claim that Mandela did some good things but condemn him for being a communist.

Of course, they're lying ... and of course, they're racists who won't face the truth:  Reagan was against overthrowing Apartheid, as was most of the republican party.  The United States did absolutely nothing to help Mandela and the African revolutionaries bring Apartheid -- with all its horrors -- to an end.  In fact, most of the industrialized west -- including England -- argued for a far more "gradual" termination of South Africa's racist laws.

[...]

The real ethical, moral question isn't why Mandela accepted support from communists, but why America opposed his fight for freedom and equality!

Reality!

Screw Amerika Inc!!
He was openly Socialist/Communist.


I hate to think what you packed into that history book of yours.  Bet it's listed under Fiction.
The book has wonderful reviews from academic historians, sorry charlie, as usual you're wrong.

As for Mandela being socialist or communist -- you refrain from mentioning the fact that the government he formed is a functioning democracy with strong ties to the west.

Considering those facts, why don't you just come out and tell us you hate Black people? Be honest for once Herr Markle ... you'll feel better.

LOL

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Cantor, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and many other far right spokespersons claim that Mandela did some good things but condemn him for being a communist.

Of course, they're lying ... and of course, they're racists who won't face the truth:  Reagan was against overthrowing Apartheid, as was most of the republican party.  The United States did absolutely nothing to help Mandela and the African revolutionaries bring Apartheid -- with all its horrors -- to an end.  In fact, most of the industrialized west -- including England -- argued for a far more "gradual" termination of South Africa's racist laws.

[...]

The real ethical, moral question isn't why Mandela accepted support from communists, but why America opposed his fight for freedom and equality!

Reality!

Screw Amerika Inc!!
He was openly Socialist/Communist.


I hate to think what you packed into that history book of yours.  Bet it's listed under Fiction.

The book has wonderful reviews from academic historians, sorry charlie, as usual you're wrong.

As for Mandela being socialist or communist -- you refrain from mentioning the fact that the government he formed is a functioning democracy with strong ties to the west.

Considering those facts, why don't you just come out and tell us you hate Black people?  Be honest for once Herr Markle ... you'll feel better.

LOL
Was Mandela a Communist as the right claims? ShoutRacist

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PACEDOG#1 wrote:And a terrorist at
That who advocated extermination of all whites in South Africa
I call complete BS.



http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/05/17500450-he-is-now-at-peace-nelson-mandela-dead-at-95

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America.
Nelson Mandela

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Communists have always played an active role in the fight by colonial countries for their freedom, because the short-term objects of Communism would always correspond with the long-term objects of freedom movements.
Nelson Mandela

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I do not deny that I planned sabotage. I did not plan it in a spirit of recklessness nor because I have any love of violence. I planned it as a result of a calm and sober assessment of the political situation that had arisen after many years of tyranny, exploitation and oppression of my people by the whites.
Nelson Mandela

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

The titanic effort that has brought liberation to South Africa, and ensured the total liberation of Africa, constitutes an act of redemption for the black people of the world.
Nelson Mandela

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Was Mandela a Communist as the right claims? Nelson_mandela_quote_3

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

How good of a leader could he have been if we had to send a team of specialists to his country to teach them to do this................

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/feds-spent-800000-economic-stimulus-african-genital-washing-program-0

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Bob wrote:You might want to read this.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/genocide-looms-for-white-farmers/

Bob: I'm really not sure this report is accurate. Watching Anthony Bordain's show on South Africa presented many restaurants where whites and blacks ate and intermingled. Recent news film of the demonstrations outside Mandela's home show both blacks and whites.

Is there anti-white racism in So. Africa? Surely, same as there is anti-black racism here.

And the white families who were Boors stole huge tracts of land that newly free blacks covet -- no doubt. However, So Africa's police and army are integrated, and the government's anti-racist policies are clear --

Frankly, considering the horrors perpetrated on them by whites of the former Apartheid government in So Africa, it's a wonder, and a testament to Mandela's wisdom, that any whites remaining in the country haven't been massacred!

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

TEOTWAWKI wrote:If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America.
Nelson Mandela


He's right. Cuba -- 1898, Filipines 1899, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Whenever you read the words: "our national interests" in relation to U.S. foreign policy, the meaning is: our desire to control the region and to steal and exploit the resources and people who live there. Reality!

And everytime you read the descriptive: "Insurgents," the real definition is people who are seeking to overthrow a legal government. How did we become the "legal" government in Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan?

Consider: The American patriot rebels who sought to overthrow the King during the American revolutionary period were correctly described as "insurgents."

In simple terms, someone's "insurgents," are someone elses' patriots!

2seaoat



The right of a nation to kill a tyrant in case of necessity can no more be doubted than to hang a robber, or kill a flea.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/john_adams.html#GOoZvgAhQsOSoRtj.99

VectorMan

VectorMan

Political Prisoner. TV reporters called Mandela a political prisoner, but never referred to Mandela as a saboteur or terrorist, even though Amnesty International declared in 1985 that "Mandela had participated in planning acts of sabotage and inciting violence, so that he could no longer fulfill the criteria for the classification of political prisoners." Network reporters did report Mandela's refusal to renounce violence in 14 stories, but most referred to it only in the context of fighting apartheid, not in the context of the ANC's involvement in black-on-black violence or the indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians.

He was worse than a communist.

2seaoat



He was worse than a communist.


Yep he was a black president.

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