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4 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:23 am
talknstang
and? its all in here, thank you
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13GH9fTymlqyhA3ZOwlGf7Dx7nNTjGH6NoovcTikUAi4/edit?usp=sharing
here's more if you need it, lol
http://floridacriminallawreport.com/home/tag/defenses-entrapment/
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13GH9fTymlqyhA3ZOwlGf7Dx7nNTjGH6NoovcTikUAi4/edit?usp=sharing
here's more if you need it, lol
http://floridacriminallawreport.com/home/tag/defenses-entrapment/
5 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:23 am
TEOTWAWKI
On September 13, 2013, a Florida appellate court ruled in favor of Gennette. In a scathing indictment of the state's actions, two appellate judges laid the blame on the Operation Blue Shepherd "chatter" (the third judge dissented, arguing that no entrapment had occurred). They wrote:
Throughout the e-mail chain, it was the agent who took the lead. It was the law enforcement agent who initially suggested the presence of a minor, though without any specific proposition of sexual or other criminal involvement between Appellant and the minor.
When Appellant's communications wandered to innocuous matters, it was the agent who repeatedly steered the conversation back to sexual activity with a minor.
The agent redirected Appellant's lack of focus on the minor by introducing and promoting the idea of participation by the minor in sexual activity with Appellant.
It was the agent who coaxed and cajoled Appellant for more details and challenged Appellant's reluctance by impugning his nerve and suggesting he was "scared."
The agent's persistent urging to overcome Appellant's obvious reluctance to commit or even describe illegal activity in his e-mail messages easily fits the statutory definition of entrapment…
Appellant's eventual sexually suggestive communications pertaining to the minor occurred only after the agent "cast her 'fishing expedition' to bait, hook, net, and land him for" the offenses charged.
Throughout the e-mail chain, it was the agent who took the lead. It was the law enforcement agent who initially suggested the presence of a minor, though without any specific proposition of sexual or other criminal involvement between Appellant and the minor.
When Appellant's communications wandered to innocuous matters, it was the agent who repeatedly steered the conversation back to sexual activity with a minor.
The agent redirected Appellant's lack of focus on the minor by introducing and promoting the idea of participation by the minor in sexual activity with Appellant.
It was the agent who coaxed and cajoled Appellant for more details and challenged Appellant's reluctance by impugning his nerve and suggesting he was "scared."
The agent's persistent urging to overcome Appellant's obvious reluctance to commit or even describe illegal activity in his e-mail messages easily fits the statutory definition of entrapment…
Appellant's eventual sexually suggestive communications pertaining to the minor occurred only after the agent "cast her 'fishing expedition' to bait, hook, net, and land him for" the offenses charged.
6 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:25 am
talknstang
can you repost that again please just in case somebody missed it the 1st time
7 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:28 am
TEOTWAWKI
The judges ruled, just as in the Jothilingam case, that there were no issues of fact for a jury to decide here; this was simply a matter of law, and "the law does not tolerate government action to provoke a law-abiding citizen to commit a crime in order to prosecute him or her with that crime," they wrote. "After placing a legal ad for an adult encounter, the government induced Mr. Gennette, an otherwise law-abiding citizen, by tactics of badgering, cajoling, importuning, and other affirmative acts to induce an agreement towards commission of a crime."
They threw out Gennette's conviction and his sentence.
They threw out Gennette's conviction and his sentence.
8 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:30 am
Sal
You're a scumbag.talknstang wrote:can you repost that again please just in case somebody missed it the 1st time
Maybe the cops over-reached to prove you are a scumbag.
That doesn't change the fact that you're a scumbag.
9 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:34 am
talknstang
that pretty much sums it up, i do believe. You didn't have to do that, but way cool. I am not here to defend myself.TEOTWAWKI wrote:The judges ruled, just as in the Jothilingam case, that there were no issues of fact for a jury to decide here; this was simply a matter of law, and "the law does not tolerate government action to provoke a law-abiding citizen to commit a crime in order to prosecute him or her with that crime," they wrote. "After placing a legal ad for an adult encounter, the government induced Mr. Gennette, an otherwise law-abiding citizen, by tactics of badgering, cajoling, importuning, and other affirmative acts to induce an agreement towards commission of a crime."
They threw out Gennette's conviction and his sentence.
10 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:35 am
talknstang
shut up punk, tomorrows Sunday, go put your alterboy outfit on and pray to your rosary....you need toSal wrote:You're a scumbag.talknstang wrote:can you repost that again please just in case somebody missed it the 1st time
Maybe the cops over-reached to prove you are a scumbag.
That doesn't change the fact that you're a scumbag.
11 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:37 am
talknstang
and why are you following me around? are you queer or something?talknstang wrote:shut up punk, tomorrows Sunday, go put your alterboy outfit on and pray to your rosary....you need toSal wrote:You're a scumbag.talknstang wrote:can you repost that again please just in case somebody missed it the 1st time
Maybe the cops over-reached to prove you are a scumbag.
That doesn't change the fact that you're a scumbag.
12 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:37 am
Nekochan
I agree completely.Sal wrote:You're a scumbag.talknstang wrote:can you repost that again please just in case somebody missed it the 1st time
Maybe the cops over-reached to prove you are a scumbag.
That doesn't change the fact that you're a scumbag.
13 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:37 am
talknstang
and why are you following me around? are you queer or something?talknstang wrote:shut up punk, tomorrows Sunday, go put your alterboy outfit on and pray to your rosary....you need toSal wrote:You're a scumbag.talknstang wrote:can you repost that again please just in case somebody missed it the 1st time
Maybe the cops over-reached to prove you are a scumbag.
That doesn't change the fact that you're a scumbag.
14 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:43 am
2seaoat
T and I rarely agree. The government is out of control on these stings. Your courage makes a difference in their overstepping their authority. You may in fact be a scumbag.....so may sal, and so may I.....but the issue is the government, and what they did wrong. until some brave people challenge the same injustice continues........However, a word of advice, do not respond with profanity or act out of control when people attack you here. Simple respond to the issues, and state the facts.
I posted on the other thread that I had posted in the PNJ how absurd the bait and switch entrapment you encountered. The LEO came out in force, and until you take this case to the people, the average person is going to wrongly think this is about being a scumbag.....it is not.....it is about government abuse.....again, you may be a scumbag, but even as a scumbag bravely taking on the abuses of government, I take my hat off. I would rather see 100 scumbags walk free than to have a government which entraps its citizens.
I posted on the other thread that I had posted in the PNJ how absurd the bait and switch entrapment you encountered. The LEO came out in force, and until you take this case to the people, the average person is going to wrongly think this is about being a scumbag.....it is not.....it is about government abuse.....again, you may be a scumbag, but even as a scumbag bravely taking on the abuses of government, I take my hat off. I would rather see 100 scumbags walk free than to have a government which entraps its citizens.
15 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:43 am
Sal
Is "queer" an insult for you, child molester?talknstang wrote:and why are you following me around? are you queer or something?
16 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:49 am
Nekochan
I get it now. Seaoat decides that someone is a Nazi and then chases him all over the forum, attacking him at every turn. But child predators are brave freedom fighters.
17 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 12:58 am
Guest
Guest
This stuff has gotten too crazy for me..All of you win!!! Stang for president. I am outa here...Nekochan wrote:I get it now. Seaoat decides that someone is a Nazi and then chases him all over the forum, attacking him at every turn. But child predators are brave freedom fighters.
18 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 1:02 am
2seaoat
I get it now. Seaoat decides that someone is a Nazi and then chases him all over the forum, attacking him at every turn. But child predators are brave freedom fighters.
Rolling Eyes
Do you understand this man was found not guilty by an Appellate panel who chastised the government for abuse of their powers. What part do you not understand about the word not guilty. If he was guilty you might have a point that I am being inconsistent, but the Appellate court pointed out the wrongdoer. If this person was your son, and he went through the hell this man went through because of wrong doing by the government, would you disagree with the court and support the abuses of government?
Rolling Eyes
Do you understand this man was found not guilty by an Appellate panel who chastised the government for abuse of their powers. What part do you not understand about the word not guilty. If he was guilty you might have a point that I am being inconsistent, but the Appellate court pointed out the wrongdoer. If this person was your son, and he went through the hell this man went through because of wrong doing by the government, would you disagree with the court and support the abuses of government?
19 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 1:02 am
talknstang
Child predators? where? Sal? makes sense Sorry about that Mr. ichi.....i have no beef with you.....i tried to keep things civil but Sal has a mental disorder and keeps stalking me, lolNekochan wrote:I get it now. Seaoat decides that someone is a Nazi and then chases him all over the forum, attacking him at every turn. But child predators are brave freedom fighters.
20 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 1:04 am
Nekochan
In what court was Teo found guilty?2seaoat wrote:I get it now. Seaoat decides that someone is a Nazi and then chases him all over the forum, attacking him at every turn. But child predators are brave freedom fighters.
Rolling Eyes
Do you understand this man was found not guilty by an Appellate panel who chastised the government for abuse of their powers. What part do you not understand about the word not guilty. If he was guilty you might have a point that I am being inconsistent, but the Appellate court pointed out the wrongdoer. If this person was your son, and he went through the hell this man went through because of wrong doing by the government, would you disagree with the court and support the abuses of government?
21 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 1:06 am
talknstang
They won't understand, because of ignorance. I have been fighting off the BS for 2.5 yrs so it doesnt phase me. Like i said, there are some that made themselves look rather foolish by following me around and spreading BS. That Sal guy has some serious issues though, wow!2seaoat wrote:I get it now. Seaoat decides that someone is a Nazi and then chases him all over the forum, attacking him at every turn. But child predators are brave freedom fighters.
Rolling Eyes
Do you understand this man was found not guilty by an Appellate panel who chastised the government for abuse of their powers. What part do you not understand about the word not guilty. If he was guilty you might have a point that I am being inconsistent, but the Appellate court pointed out the wrongdoer. If this person was your son, and he went through the hell this man went through because of wrong doing by the government, would you disagree with the court and support the abuses of government?
23 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 1:07 am
Nekochan
Exactly. Guilty of what? In what court?2seaoat wrote:In what court was Teo found guilty?
Guilty of what?
Maybe Teo is a freedom fighter too. At least, as far as we know, he doesn't go to meet and have sex with 14 year olds.
24 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 1:07 am
talknstang
on that note, it's been real, it's been fun, but it ain't been real fun! SALUTE
25 Re: Stangs story 11/10/2013, 1:08 am
Sal
Are you so fucking stupid that you can't distinguish technically illegal from morally wrong?2seaoat wrote:
Do you understand this man was found not guilty by an Appellate panel who chastised the government for abuse of their powers. What part do you not understand about the word not guilty. If he was guilty you might have a point that I am being inconsistent, but the Appellate court pointed out the wrongdoer. If this person was your son, and he went through the hell this man went through because of wrong doing by the government, would you disagree with the court and support the abuses of government?
You demonstrate an appalling lack of logic.
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