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Maritime Park scores another home run....ahhhhh.......touchdown

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2seaoat



http://www.pnj.com/article/20130919/NEWS01/309180035/Maritime-Park-board-scores-big-win-UWF-football

Exactly as predicted.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:

Exactly as predicted.
I'm all for UWF or anybody else helping to subsidize this thing because I'm a city taxpayer.

But about the "exactly as expected" remark. Was this part in the story "exactly as expected"?

A city consultant painted a glum financial future for the park in two reports released earlier this year and predicted that taxpayers would have to subsidize park operations.

Indeed, the city has appropriated $300,000 to keep the board out of the red this fiscal year and has another $320,000 subsidy planned for 2014.

2seaoat



We are in the fifth year of a economic crisis and the private development was going to take longer, but the baseball operations have exceeded all expectations, and this football operation has always been a no brainer. I argued that Wrigley field hosted the bears and was smaller than maritime, yet BP, X, Skip, and others told me I did not know what I was talking about. Football would never be played in Maritime. OOOOPPPPPS. I still see some high school playoffs, and some soccer.

A Hotel will be coming, and once the current two private developments get occupancy this baby is tight. 600k will probably be a years profit in five years. This thing is a cash cow, and I think some folks are working on a two week spring training cycle in Mobile, Biloxi, and Pensacola. You could be playing 4 to 5 games a week for two weeks and get another 50k attendance, but best of all beach activities and hotel occupancies. Every city in this country would love to have the upside of this development. This year 300k contribution. Hell, if you ran a 40 acre park with nothing on it, in two years you would be spending a hundred grand a year just to maintain the same. BP cannot respond, but he was the most vocal that football would never be played, Skip, minor league baseball, and Mr. H that it simply would never make money.......it is a cash cow which at the five year mark will prove the same to everybody.......with a surplus to boot.

I need to see their attendance and how they will configure the stands on the south side, but this is going to be a great venue to see a football game.

2seaoat



Mr. Hallmark,

Did I not say that UWF would be playing football at Maritime, and can you agree that this is a good thing for the community?   I could see some great tailgate parties with the park on a fall day overlooking the bay.

I think you might be on vacation.
BP is in jail
X never migrated to this forum
Skip never could come back to this forum after the first year attendance

I guess all the naysayers will not be attending.

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Having observed first hand, I can assure you that the football configuration is pathetic at best.

The the true cost of this sham is dismissed by you with "Just wait till next year"  

The devil is in the details


PS  2016 is 3 years away

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

2seaoat wrote:We are in the fifth year of a economic crisis and the private development was going to take longer, but the baseball operations have exceeded all expectations, and this football operation has always been a no brainer.   I argued that Wrigley field hosted the bears and was smaller than maritime, yet BP, X, Skip, and others told me I did not know what I was talking about.   Football would never be played in Maritime.  OOOOPPPPPS.   I still see some high school playoffs, and some soccer.

A Hotel will be coming, and once the current two private developments get occupancy this baby is tight.   600k will probably be a years profit in five years.  This thing is a cash cow, and I think some folks are working on a two week spring training cycle in Mobile, Biloxi, and Pensacola.   You could be playing 4 to 5 games a week for two weeks and get another 50k attendance, but best of all beach activities and hotel occupancies.   Every city in this country would love to have the upside of this development.   This year 300k contribution.   Hell, if you ran a 40 acre park with nothing on it, in two years you would be spending a hundred grand a year just to maintain the same.   BP cannot respond, but he was the most vocal that football would never be played, Skip, minor league baseball, and Mr. H that it simply would never make money.......it is a cash cow which at the five year mark will prove the same to everybody.......with a surplus to boot.

I need to see their attendance and how they will configure the stands on the south side, but this is going to be a great venue to see a football game.
Seating will be a problem. They will need to add a lot more seating.

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Seating will be a problem. They will need to add a lot more seating.


Isn't the Max capacity of the stadium 5,038?

2seaoat



Temporary bleachers could be added to that field in the 10k seating range with no problem. I never went to a Bear game in Wrigley field, but I did watch a baseball game in Candlestick, and they played football there. You get much closer to the action and other than the right field permanent seats being end zone seats, it is going to be a great venue. By the time attendance gets over 10k, there could be some easy modifications to this park which could serve baseball and football. A great win for Pensacola, and the tailgate parties are going to be pretty cool overlooking the bay. They could let people set up off the main sidewalks and around the perimeter. This could become quite the tradition. Tailgate before the game, watch the game, and return to tailgating.........

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Until something different happens, the only football ever played in the Stadium was a group of kids for a one day event. . Not exactly the New Orlens Saints. LOL

boards of FL

boards of FL

This is all great, but there is still no escaping the fact that no one cares about baseball anymore. This is particularly true in Florida.


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2seaoat



This is all great, but there is still no escaping the fact that no one cares about baseball anymore. This is particularly true in Florida.



Another 300k attendance would suggest some folks in Florida still enjoy baseball. My son and daughter are in their late 20s and early 30s and they have both taken their kids to a major league game already. Families still attend baseball games all over the country, and the panhandle has had traditionally some of the best baseball talent in the nation. At 300k the baseball operations are a total profit. Once about half the commercial development builds out, this will be a cash cow for a generation. On a Fifty million dollar project to have a 1% shortfall in a recession after three years is a spectacular success. The Kane County Cougars were bagging close to a million profit a year for the taxpayers after the first five years of start up.

boards of FL

boards of FL

Almost everyone I know gets free tickets through work. I suspect once the flood of free tickets is turned off, attendance will fall. I didn't go to any games this most recent season, even though it was free for me to go. In the end, it's still baseball. Attendance - and television ratings - has been waning for that sport for several years. Florida has one of the best teams in professional baseball and they can't pay people to go to games.


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boards of FL wrote:Almost everyone I know gets free tickets through work.  I suspect once the flood of free tickets is turned off, attendance will fall.  I didn't go to any games this most recent season, even though it was free for me to go.  In the end, it's still baseball.  Attendance - and television ratings - has been waning for that sport for several years.  Florida has one of the best teams in professional baseball and they can't pay people to go to games.

I'm going tonight.

The television ratings for the Rays indicate that it's not a matter of people not caring about baseball.

The Rays have a lot working against them.

The location of the park is not good, the venue itself sucks, and it ain't cheap.

There's also a lot of stuff competing for those entertainment $s in the Tampa/St. Pete area.

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Sal wrote:
boards of FL wrote:Almost everyone I know gets free tickets through work.  I suspect once the flood of free tickets is turned off, attendance will fall.  I didn't go to any games this most recent season, even though it was free for me to go.  In the end, it's still baseball.  Attendance - and television ratings - has been waning for that sport for several years.  Florida has one of the best teams in professional baseball and they can't pay people to go to games.

I'm going tonight.

The television ratings for the Rays indicate that it's not a matter of people not caring about baseball.

The Rays have a lot working against them.

The location of the park is not good, the venue itself sucks, and it ain't cheap.

There's also a lot of stuff competing for those entertainment $s in the Tampa/St. Pete area.
It may also be noted that you do not live in Pensacola nor are you going to a Blue Wahoos game.

Sal

Sal

Mr Ichi wrote:
Sal wrote:
boards of FL wrote:Almost everyone I know gets free tickets through work.  I suspect once the flood of free tickets is turned off, attendance will fall.  I didn't go to any games this most recent season, even though it was free for me to go.  In the end, it's still baseball.  Attendance - and television ratings - has been waning for that sport for several years.  Florida has one of the best teams in professional baseball and they can't pay people to go to games.

I'm going tonight.

The television ratings for the Rays indicate that it's not a matter of people not caring about baseball.

The Rays have a lot working against them.

The location of the park is not good, the venue itself sucks, and it ain't cheap.

There's also a lot of stuff competing for those entertainment $s in the Tampa/St. Pete area.
It may also be noted that you do not live in Pensacola nor are you going to a Blue Wahoos game.
That's true.

I believe boards was referring to the Tampa Bay Rays.

2seaoat



I have been an advocate for the Reds to play some of their spring here. The one game should be fun, but when people see players in the bigs, and realize a minor league team will see players in the bigs, people begin to actually follow the teams. It takes a few years, but the attendance numbers so far have been utterly shocking. I expected about 75k less the first year, and figured it would take about five years to get in the mid 300s. The thing going for minor league clubs is that it is so cheap compared to the bigs. It used to cost me an arm and leg to take the kids, wife and a couple of their friends to a ball game. A minor league game is just cheap and fun family time.

I am going to get the scoop on the Biloxi franchise because one of my buddies owns part of a parking lot they are taking for the stadium. I have heard whispers that the big score for the Gulf Coast is to snatch some spring training contracts for Mobile, Pensacola, and Biloxi. Even if it was a transition 10 game schedule, it would enhance all three franchises and add another 50k attendance right off the get go each year and fill local hotels with Reds fans from Ohio and KY. I will be in Memphis playing poker Sunday, and should get to Biloxi Monday afternoon and get the scoop. I will be traveling alone without the wife who is in California, and I hope my health stays good and no issues arise on this road trip. Poker ST Louis, Memphis, Biloxi, Grehound, and Metropolis. I spend a couple hours playing poker and resting from driving and usually get better meals at the casinos.

boards of FL

boards of FL

Yep. I was talking about the Rays at the end of my post.


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Good luck on your trip Stay safe........... sounds like fun...

Sal

Sal

2seaoat wrote:I have been an advocate for the Reds to play some of their spring here.  The one game should be fun, but when people see players in the bigs, and realize a minor league team will see players in the bigs, people begin to actually follow the teams.  It takes a few years, but the attendance numbers so far have been utterly shocking.  I expected about 75k less the first year, and figured it would take about five years to get in the mid 300s.  The thing going for minor league clubs is that it is so cheap compared to the bigs.   It used to cost me an arm and leg to take the kids, wife and a couple of their friends to a ball game.   A minor league game is just cheap and fun family time.  

I am going to get the scoop on the Biloxi franchise because one of my buddies owns part of a parking lot they are taking for the stadium.   I have heard whispers that the big score for the Gulf Coast is to snatch some spring training contracts for Mobile, Pensacola, and Biloxi.   Even if it was a transition 10 game schedule, it would enhance all three franchises and add another 50k attendance right off the get go each year and fill local hotels with Reds fans from Ohio and KY.    I will be in Memphis playing poker Sunday, and should get to Biloxi Monday afternoon and get the scoop.  I will be traveling alone without the wife who is in California, and I hope my health stays good and no issues arise on this road trip.   Poker ST Louis, Memphis, Biloxi, Grehound, and Metropolis.  I spend a couple hours playing poker and resting from driving and usually get better meals at the casinos.  
PCola is too far away for the Grapefruit League. Mr. Oats.

2seaoat



Good luck on your trip Stay safe........... sounds like fun...


I am working on modifying a camping chair which kicks out like a lazy boy. Non of the casino hotels have a lazy boy in the room and when I lay in a bed the tumors press against the ribs and I get some pain associated with the same. If I can stay in the seated position, and sleep there is considerably less pressure against the tumors. I will look like a dork or some kind of sexual pervert with my special chair walking to a room in the Beau Rivage, but after two nights sleeping on a bed, I am chomping pain pills every four hours. If worse comes to worse I will sleep in my car which is very comfortable. I bought a bean bag which I will take with me and see if I can prop up in the bed, but I will in my sleep roll over onto the tumors without the armrests of a lazy boy, and the next day is rather unpleasant........but hell, but for those second shots I should have been dead six months ago.......I am happy to be alive, and a little pain reminds you that you are still alive.

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Pensacola is not Kane co or any other place. It is a city run by Big Money, Good Old Boys and Power brokers. Logic doesn't work here. As more and more details of the CMPA park are disclosed you will soon see the pattern that will profit only a select few,while the rest of the city and country languish in poverty and corruption.

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I will look like a dork or some kind of sexual pervert with my special chair walking to a room in the Beau Rivage




Hire a good looking gal from the Lobby to carry the chair for you. Then you can walk behind her and smile at all the stares..

2seaoat



Hire a good looking gal from the Lobby to carry the chair for you. Then you can walk behind her and smile at all the stares..


I am afraid that if I hire that good looking girl.........I might not be the boy scout I have always been..........everything still works great, and I must say this has crossed my mind......those bucket lists can get you in a load of trouble. The bad thing is my wife has told me no problem. She probably finds it humorous. No young girl is going to carry my chair.......nosireeeee.....I will just carry it myself and have people think.....why is that guy carrying a big camping chair into a hotel.....if someone asks I will say it is my lucky chair and I set up a pyramid tent in the room......then I am certain they will simply say.....oh....ok......like that is normal behavior.

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I used to go the Beau Rivage quite a lot. They used to have some very good mid week off season specials. Maybe they still do. Being I dont drink or gamble it might seem to be a strange choice but it is really a neat place. Nice Waffle house right across the street. lol

2seaoat



I just called the Memphis casino, and they comped me for Sunday night, and I think the rooms in Biloxi will be next to nothing. When my wife and I go it is an arm and a leg on the weekend, but this group will be a mid week deal where a friend of mine in Biloxi has some pull. I heard some of the folks talking about a great oyster house in Biloxi which I did not know about, but I have to be careful because I do not drink anymore because of the tumors on the liver and some of these guys are heavy hitters who drink 200 buck bottles of wine......so the teetotalers get hammered when splitting the bill, so I may keep playing poker or a table games, and sneak over to Mary Mahoneys for the best crab claws on the Gulf Coast. What is nice is this week I got killed in a sale of a business asset......absolutely killed, but I won enough to pay for the trip being dealt aces twice in four hands with both pots being monster pots. I would have rather won in the business sale, and lost in poker, but who cares, I am getting the grandkids some shells which they think you must do every time you go near the beach, and pretty much going to kickback and enjoy this because I do not see too many more trips in my future. Who knows you may see me panhandling in Maritime park.......look for the guy with the camping chair.

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