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26#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 5/20/2020, 11:57 am

PkrBum

PkrBum
Vikingwoman wrote:Flynn wasn't just discussing policy. He was talking about dropping sanctions on a country who just interfered in an election and who was negotiating w/ Trump to build a Trump Tower in Moscow in which Trump lied about until he admitted it.

Sanctions are policy. There is no Trump Tower Moscow.

If the Clinton Slushfund Foundation didn't bother you... i don't see how this could.

27#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 5/20/2020, 12:25 pm

polecat

polecat
"To be clear, and this is using the words of President Trump and his lawyers over the last three years, any sitting president can get any classified information they want. According to Donald Trump they can launch any investigation they want, they can tell the FBI only to pursue particular individuals, This is not me saying it, this is Donald Trump saying it for three years. This was their argument during the Mueller probe. This was their argument during the impeachment investigation, that the President has this kind of authority,"


"So what did we find out? That Barack Obama was aware about intelligence intercepts on the Russian Ambassador when he was talking with General Flynn? That there had just been an attack on our election a couple months earlier, that we were still dealing with the fallout of Russian election interference in 2016? There was concern about a counterintelligence problem with unregistered foreign agent for Turkey Michael Flynn and they had a discussion?

Don't forget article II that says the president can do what ever he wants.





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28#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 5/20/2020, 1:03 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
Obama knew it all... all along.

See: Lisa Page evidence.

29#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 5/20/2020, 2:03 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
PkrBum wrote:Obama knew it all... all along.

See: Lisa Page evidence.

CAN YOU READ?

"Obamagate. It's been going on for a long time. It's been going on from before I even got elected, and it's a disgrace that it happened. And if you look at what's gone on and if you look at now, all of this information that's being released, and from what I understand, that's only the beginning. Some terrible things have happened and it should never be allowed to happen in our country again. And you'll be seeing what's going on over the coming weeks, and I wish you'd write honestly about it, but unfortunately, you choose not to do so....

You know what the crime is. The crime is very obvious to everybody. All you have to do is read the newspapers, except yours."

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30#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 5/20/2020, 2:23 pm

zsomething


The ol' "any argument against the Earth being flat is just proof that there's a conspiracy to stop people from knowing the Earth is flat" gambit is alive and well. People who believe in "Obamagate" are gonna keep believing in it 'cuz they don't want to get kicked out of the club. They're a con-man's wet dream. They've gotta believe Obama was bad, because everybody they elect always turns out to be corrupt, incompetent, and embarrassingly stupid. They can't handle it that their opposition elects better people, it really messes 'em up and makes 'em question that they're ever right about anything. So they'll buy into any ridiculous conspiracy just out of hate for their opponent. Obama's bad because he was everything they'd like someone they elected to be. But it just ain't in 'em to vote for anyone decent. They always gotta chase after the one who says the meanest shit instead.

Trump just spotted a herd of morons and looked at them the way a rancher looks at a herd of cattle -- something that could be useful to make him rich. All that fertile, exploitable stupidity and spiteful rage. He can make them believe anything.

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31#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 5/20/2020, 4:58 pm

RealLindaL


zsomething wrote:The ol' "any argument against the Earth being flat is just proof that there's a conspiracy to stop people from knowing the Earth is flat" gambit is alive and well.   People who believe in "Obamagate" are gonna keep believing in it 'cuz they don't want to get kicked out of the club.  They're a con-man's wet dream.  They've gotta believe Obama was bad, because everybody they elect always turns out to be corrupt, incompetent, and embarrassingly stupid.  They can't handle it that their opposition elects better people, it really messes 'em up and makes 'em question that they're ever right about anything.  So they'll buy into any ridiculous conspiracy just out of hate for their opponent.  Obama's bad because he was everything they'd like someone they elected to be.  But it just ain't in 'em to vote for anyone decent.  They always gotta chase after the one who says the meanest shit instead.

Trump just spotted a herd of morons and looked at them the way a rancher looks at a herd of cattle -- something that could be useful to make him rich.    All that fertile, exploitable stupidity and spiteful rage.   He can make them believe anything.

cheers   cheers   cheers   cheers

ZSOMETHING NAILS IT YET AGAIN.

32#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 5/20/2020, 5:08 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
Lol... if Obama's your gold standard then you'll love Biden. He may not take the worst possible outcome for the United States in any given situation... but that's just because he has no fucking idea what's going on. Sooo... we've got that going for us... which is nice.

33#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 5/20/2020, 6:38 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
PkrBum wrote:Lol... if Obama's your gold standard then you'll love Biden. He may not take the worst possible outcome for the United States in any given situation... but that's just because he has no fucking idea what's going on. Sooo... we've got that going for us... which is nice.

Nah...here's my "gold standard".

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34#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 5/20/2020, 6:45 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


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35#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 5/20/2020, 6:46 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
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36#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 6/3/2020, 11:59 am

PkrBum

PkrBum
Read this carefully... then read it again. Do leftists ever tire of being wrong? There's amazing consistency however... I'll give y'all that.

"The whole concept, that the campaign was colluding with the Russians, there was no 'there' there in August of 2017, do you agree or not?" Sen. Graham

"I agree with the general statement," Rosenstein

37#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 6/3/2020, 12:07 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
PkrBum wrote:Read this carefully... then read it again. Do leftists ever tire of being wrong? There's amazing consistency however... I'll give y'all that.

"The whole concept, that the campaign was colluding with the Russians, there was no 'there' there in August of 2017, do you agree or not?" Sen. Graham

"I agree with the general statement," Rosenstein

Just to refresh... because I'm constantly impressed by how much y'all can ignore... these are under oath. Russian collusion was an orchestrated hoax at best... a seditious plot in reality. Hillary, DNC, and the FBI hired a foriegn spy to create a Russian counterintelligence dossier that was then used to obtain secret FISA warrants to surveil the opposition campaign. This was done to specifically affect the election. Is that legal? Either they are held accountable or Trump should do the same. Which is it? It can only be one or the other... choose wisely.

“The investigation examined whether these contacts involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination.” Mueller Report

“I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting/conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election,” Clapper explained.

Samantha Power, Obama’s former Ambassador to the UN answered this way: “I am not in possession of anything — I am not in possession and didn’t read or absorb information that came from out of the intelligence community.”

National Security Adviser Susan Rice answered, “I don’t recall any intelligence or evidence to that effect.”

Former Attorney General Loretta Lynch was a little more cagey in her response, saying that she did “not recall that being briefed up to me.”

FBI officials knew that the infamous Steele Dossier was not found to be credible and that by early 2017 agents were requesting an end to the investigation when leadership at the agency intervened.

38#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 6/4/2020, 8:29 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

A presidential nominee does not have the right to interfere with the policy decisions of a current administration. But this is nothing new for Republicans...Nixon did it with Vietnam...Reagan did it with the Iran hostage situation. Republicans have no interest in governing; only in taking what they can get...money, power and influence to keep themselves in power. But reality bites and karma's a bitch. There is no "Obamagate".

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39#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 6/23/2020, 3:25 am

Vikingwoman


PkrBum wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:Flynn wasn't just discussing policy. He was talking about dropping sanctions on a country who just interfered in an election and who was negotiating w/ Trump to build a Trump Tower in Moscow in which Trump lied about until he admitted it.

Sanctions are policy. There is no Trump Tower Moscow.

If the Clinton Slushfund Foundation didn't bother you... i don't see how this could.

There is no Trump Tower because the negotiations fell through but at the time there were negotiations when Flynn was negotiating for Trump. BTW, the Clinton Foundation has been investigated several times and there was no slushfund. There is however, new evidence Trump was strong arming Ukraine by John Bolton. The Republicans will never be honest about any of the crimes but they will try to make up such as Obamagate. Good luck in trying to prove that shit. Even Bill Barr won't touch that.

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40#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 6/23/2020, 11:32 am

PkrBum

PkrBum
Trump Tower Moscow - Wikipedia
According to former Trump attorney Michael Cohen, Trump's interest in a possible Moscow project continued through most of the primary campaign, ending in June 2016.

41#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 7/18/2020, 10:21 am

PkrBum

PkrBum
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/judiciary-committee-releases-declassified-documents-that-substantially-undercut-steele-dossier-page-fisa-warrants

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/graham-releases-declassified-docs-on-early-months-of-russia-probe/ar-BB16SvAb?li=BBnbcA1&srcref=rss&ocid=iehrs

The Senate Judiciary Committee, chaired by Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), published the documents as part of a GOP-led review of the origins of the Russia investigation that has ensnared the president and his associates for years. Trump himself has encouraged the Senate’s probe, while Democrats have panned it as a politically motivated effort to boost the president.

The documents suggest that even as press reports began to describe connections between Americans in Trump’s orbit and figures in Russia’s shadowy intelligence services, the FBI had gathered little, if any, evidence that such ties existed.

“We have not seen evidence of any officials associated with the Trump team in contact with [intelligence officers],” wrote Peter Strzok, the FBI agent who helped initiate and lead the Russia probe, in internal notes accompanying a Feb. 14, 2017, New York Times article. “We are unaware of ANY Trump advisors engaging in conversations with Russian intelligence officials.”

Those contacts, Strzok wrote, were limited to Russia’s then-ambassador to the U.S. and the Russian embassy’s liaison to Congress.

Graham also released a 57-page memo detailing the FBI’s interview with a top source for Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence agent whose unverified dossier on Trump described a nefarious, years-long plot to aid his election. That document, which formed part of the basis for the FBI’s surveillance of a Trump campaign adviser in 2016, was crafted largely through a network of six sources relied on by this associate of Steele’s — and some of its most explosive and salacious findings were based on thinly sourced speculation.

In his New York Times annotation, Strzok also indicated that Steele may not have been able to adequately judge whether the sources he relied on for his dossier were reliable. Strzok, who was fired from the bureau in 2018 after drawing Trump’s fury over private text messages that revealed his disdain for the president, raised strong doubts about the Times article, which described “repeated” contacts between Trump aides and Russian intelligence agents.

But the annotated article is also a snapshot in time — it was written before the FBI began to investigate longtime Trump associate Roger Stone, who was later indicted for obstructing the congressional investigation of Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. Stone was later convicted on multiple counts and sentenced to more than three years in prison, but Trump last week commuted his sentence. And it occurred before the bureau learned of a June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower between Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort and a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer.

The FBI would also later assess Manafort’s longtime associate, Konstantin Kilimnik, as a figure linked to Russian intelligence.

Still, the document adds to a portrait painted by similar disclosures in recent weeks. For example, the FBI had been preparing to close an investigation into Trump’s national security adviser Michael Flynn until wiretaps of his December 2016 conversations with Russia’s U.S. ambassador emerged. Stone had for months been flaunting his alleged communications with Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, which had obtained and published thousands of internal Hillary Clinton campaign emails that had been hacked by Russian agents — yet the FBI hadn’t begun looking into his claims.

In a statement, Graham said Strzok’s comments reflected poorly on special counsel Robert Mueller’s team, which spent two years, beginning in 2017, investigating contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians.

“The statements by Mr. Strzok question the entire premise of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump Campaign and make it even more outrageous that the Mueller team continued this investigation for almost two and a half years,” Graham said.

Trump supercharged the investigation, however, in May 2017 when he abruptly fired FBI Director James Comey and invited senior Russian officials to the Oval Office. Comey went on to provide internal notes, through an intermediary, to The New York Times that described his growing concerns about Trump’s posture toward the Russia probe. Days later, the Justice Department appointed Mueller to take over the Russia investigation, which continued for two more years.

42#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate on 7/21/2020, 11:02 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

No one ever characterized Christopher Steele's intel as 100% reliable. But that intel wasn't all the FBI had to go on, not by a long shot. And President Obama had every right to be kept informed. So called "obamagate" is a pantsload.

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43#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate Yesterday at 8:28 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
Down goes Clinesmith... admits altering email that was used at FISA court. The plea is said to include testimony.

44#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate Yesterday at 11:57 pm

Telstar

Telstar
PkrBum wrote:Down goes Clinesmith... admits altering email that was used at FISA court. The plea is said to include testimony.




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45#ObamaGate  - Page 2 Empty Re: #ObamaGate Today at 3:19 am

Sal

Sal
PkrBum wrote:Down goes Clinesmith... admits altering email that was used at FISA court. The plea is said to include testimony.

Clineswho?

lmao

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