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126PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 8/26/2020, 11:10 pm

Telstar

Telstar
Fake news from one of Putin's useless idiots.

127PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 8/27/2020, 11:58 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/28/863944333/antibody-tests-point-to-lower-death-rate-for-the-coronavirus-than-first-thought

128PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 8/28/2020, 12:44 am

Telstar

Telstar
PANDUMBIC - Page 6 I_surv10

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129PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 8/30/2020, 11:02 am

PkrBum

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

Comorbidities
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.

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130PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 8/30/2020, 12:50 pm

Floridatexan

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PkrBum wrote:https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

Comorbidities
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.

Meaning exactly what? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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131PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 8/30/2020, 2:29 pm

Floridatexan

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Trump just exposed these people to coronavirus:

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A crowd on the South lawn of approximately 1,500 people, almost all of them not wearing masks, no pretense of social distancing, with chairs inches apart. What could go wrong?

Not to mention using the White House as a backdrop.

PATHETIC.

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132PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 8/31/2020, 9:05 am

PkrBum

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Floridatexan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

Comorbidities
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.

Meaning exactly what?  Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

I wouldn't expect you to understand. If you'd like to try read previous posts in this thread where I hypothesized the same. Does it ever bother you that I get things right and you parroting leftist narratives are way off? Humans used to be good at recognizing patterns.

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133PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 8/31/2020, 9:18 am

Telstar

Telstar
PkrBum wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

Comorbidities
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.

Meaning exactly what?  Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

I wouldn't expect you to understand. If you'd like to try read previous posts in this thread where I hypothesized the same. Does it ever bother you that I get things right and you parroting leftist narratives are way off? Humans used to be good at recognizing patterns.



We are still good at it. We'd just like to know who taught you how to use a keyboard with your hooves. pig

134PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 8/31/2020, 4:10 pm

zsomething




Trump's now bringing in some nut (who isn't an epidemiologist) who's going to say we should go for "herd immunity" -- i.e. just let everybody die. All because Trump's not going to have a vaccine by November and thus he needs a new way to negate the virus as an issue for any fool who might still vote for his ridiculous idiot ass.

One big problem with this is, herd immunity is apparently not actually a thing, because there have been people who have caught this thing multiple times now. And antibodies for it are notoriously short-lived.

Also, one of the dangers of this disease is it causes a lot of lingering, possibly permanent damage to people who get it. A lot of people are addressing it only as "Well, the odds are it won't kill you." Yeah, that may be so (although people buy lottery tickets every day for things with far, far, FAR worse odds), but the odds that it'll do you some permanent hurt which may shorten your life or wreck your quality of life are pretty fuckin' high, actually. I know people who've had this who are freaking out because they "can't get back to normal" even though they aren't technically "infected" anymore. Their breathing's still bad, their heart triphammers if they try to climb stairs, etc. And, despite the odds, and despite me being pretty freakin' antisocial, I do know at least one person who died from it. And she was in her 50's, not some ancient-gonna-die-anyway-let's-just-throw-them-away person that the Trump Cult is so eager to sacrifice.

"Herd immunity." I don't think that's a good tactic. But herd conformity? Trump's built his entire cult on that.

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135PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/9/2020, 2:23 pm

zsomething


Trump knew it was airborne and far deadlier than the flu:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1303735856646303744


Trump "I wanted to play it down":
https://twitter.com/i/status/1303752541600186370



Biden:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1303754101533048832


Check and mate.

136PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/9/2020, 3:58 pm

zsomething


And more re-stating the obvious:



Seeing how pathetically (and dishonestly) Trump failed at this crisis, what kind of stupefying IDIOT would you have to be to gamble with him being faced with another? Suppose a 9-11 happens. Or another pandemic. Or the increasing level of violence in the streets with the militias turns into a full-blown insurgency... like it's well on its way to becoming? What if the Russians try some more stuff? Trump has proven absolutely powerless in confronting them about ANYTHING. Bounties on our troops and he does fucking NOTHING.

I get it that people like to play "team sports" with politics and all that shit, but... honestly, I don't see how any sane, rational adult can even consider Donald Trump anymore at this point. You'd have to have no sense of self-preservation or concern for your kids and loved ones to value "pwning the libs" over the peril this country's in.

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137PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/10/2020, 10:32 am

zsomething


More about why the impact of this plague shouldn't be just looked at in terms of "death." I realize some people don't value their minds as much, seeing as how they never use them, but a lot of people would hate to go through the rest of their life feeling "fogged." It's foolish to just dismiss this thing as "no worse than the flu" just because of the death rate or that mostly older people are the ones dying. Lasting damage is a big factor to consider.

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-attacks-brain-121608034.html

Forty percent to 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients experience neurological and psychiatric symptoms, said Dr. Robert Stevens, a neurologist at Johns Hopkins University. But the symptoms may not all stem from the virus’s invasion of brain cells. They may be the result of pervasive inflammation throughout the body.

For example, inflammation in the lungs can release molecules that make the blood sticky and clog up blood vessels, leading to strokes. “There’s no need for the brain cells themselves to be infected for that to occur,” Zandi said.

But in some people, he added, it may be low blood oxygen from infected brain cells that triggers strokes: “Different groups of patients may be affected in different ways,” he said. “It’s quite possible that you’ll see a combination of both.”

Some cognitive symptoms, like brain fog and delirium, might be harder to pick up in patients who are sedated and on ventilators. Doctors should plan to dial down sedatives once a day, if possible, in order to assess COVID-19 patients, Stevens said.

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138PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/10/2020, 4:46 pm

Floridatexan

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zsomething wrote:More about why the impact of this plague shouldn't be just looked at in terms of "death."  I realize some people don't value their minds as much, seeing as how they never use them, but a lot of people would hate to go through the rest of their life feeling "fogged."   It's foolish to just dismiss this thing as "no worse than the flu" just because of the death rate or that mostly older people are the ones dying.  Lasting damage is a big factor to consider.

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-attacks-brain-121608034.html

Forty percent to 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients experience neurological and psychiatric symptoms, said Dr. Robert Stevens, a neurologist at Johns Hopkins University. But the symptoms may not all stem from the virus’s invasion of brain cells. They may be the result of pervasive inflammation throughout the body.

For example, inflammation in the lungs can release molecules that make the blood sticky and clog up blood vessels, leading to strokes. “There’s no need for the brain cells themselves to be infected for that to occur,” Zandi said.

But in some people, he added, it may be low blood oxygen from infected brain cells that triggers strokes: “Different groups of patients may be affected in different ways,” he said. “It’s quite possible that you’ll see a combination of both.”

Some cognitive symptoms, like brain fog and delirium, might be harder to pick up in patients who are sedated and on ventilators. Doctors should plan to dial down sedatives once a day, if possible, in order to assess COVID-19 patients, Stevens said.

My daughter just told me about her hairdresser's brother contracting COVID. He was 29 and in perfect health...he barely made it.

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139PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/10/2020, 5:19 pm

zsomething


Floridatexan wrote:

My daughter just told me about her hairdresser's brother contracting COVID.  He was 29 and in perfect health...he barely made it.



Hope he'll be okay, but this thing is serious business. It can screw up your life, even if you survive it. That's why people who are taking this so lightly are infuriatingly stupid. They're too dumb to consider anything but immediate fatality rates, and that's far from all this thing does.

Just found some more info:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/post-covid-heart-damage-alarms-researchers-there-was-a-black-hole-in-infected-cells-172015067.html


Shelby Hedgecock contracted the coronavirus in April and thought she had fought through the worst of it — the intense headaches, severe gastrointestinal distress and debilitating fatigue — but early last month she started experiencing chest pain and a pounding heartbeat. Her doctor put her on a cardiac monitor and ordered blood tests, which indicated that the previously healthy 29-year-old had sustained heart damage, likely from her bout with COVID-19.

“I never thought I would have to worry about a heart attack at 29 years old,” Hedgecock told Yahoo News in an interview. “I didn’t have any complications before COVID-19 — no preexisting conditions, no heart issues. I can deal with my taste and smell being dull, I can fight through the debilitating fatigue, but your heart has to last you a really long time.”


Hedgecock’s primary-care physician has referred her to a cardiologist she will see this week; the heart monitor revealed that Hedgecock’s pulse rate is wildly irregular, ranging from 49 to 189 beats per minute, and she has elevated inflammatory markers and platelet counts. She was told to go to the emergency room if her chest pain intensifies before she can see the specialist. A former personal trainer who is now out of breath just from walking around the room, Hedgecock is worried about what the future holds.

She is far from alone in her struggle. Dr. Ossama Samuel is a cardiologist at New York’s Mount Sinai Hospital, where he routinely sees coronavirus survivors who are contending with cardiac complications. Samuel said his team has treated three young and otherwise healthy coronavirus patients who have developed myocarditis — an inflammation of the heart muscle — weeks to months after recovering from the virus.

Myocarditis can affect how the heart pumps blood and trigger rapid or abnormal heart rhythms. It is particularly dangerous for athletes, doctors say, because it can go undetected and can result in a heart attack during strenuous exercise. In recent weeks, some collegiate athletes have reported cardiac complications from the coronavirus, underscoring the seriousness of the condition.

Last month, former Florida State basketball center Michael Ojo died from a heart attack in Serbia; Ojo had recovered from the coronavirus before he collapsed on the basketball court. An Ohio State University cardiologist found that between 10 and 13 percent of university athletes who had recovered from COVID-19 had myocarditis. When the Big Ten athletic conference announced the cancellation of its season last month, Commissioner Kevin Warren cited the risk of heart failure in athletes. Researchers have estimated that up to 20 percent of people who get the coronavirus sustain heart damage.

Samuel said he feels an obligation to warn people, particularly since some of the patients he and Mount Sinai colleagues have seen with myocarditis had only mild cases of the coronavirus months ago.

“We are now seeing people three months after COVID who have pericarditis [inflammation of the sac around the heart] or myocarditis,” Samuel said. He said he believes a small fraction of coronavirus survivors are sustaining heart damage, “but when a disease is so widespread it is concerning that a tiny fraction is still sizable.”

Samuel said he worries particularly about athletes participating in team sports, since many live together and spend time in close quarters. Teammates may all get the coronavirus and recover together, Samuel said, but “the one who really gets that crazy myocarditis could be at risk of dying through exercise or training.”

“It’s a concern about what do you do: Should we do sports in general, should we do it in schools, should we do it in college, should we just do it for professionals who understand the risk and they're getting paid?” Samuel asked. “I hope we don’t scare the public, but we should make people aware.”

Samuel is recommending that patients recovering from COVID-19 with myocarditis avoid workouts for three to six months.

Todd McDevitt, who runs a stem-cell lab at Gladstone Institutes, which is affiliated with the University of California at San Francisco, recently published images that show how the coronavirus can directly invade the heart muscle. McDevitt said he was so alarmed when he saw a sample of heart muscle cells in a petri dish get “diced” by the coronavirus that he had trouble sleeping for nights afterward.

McDevitt said his team’s research was spurred by their desire to understand if the coronavirus is entering heart cells and how it is affecting them. He was surprised to see the heart muscle samples he was studying react to a very small amount of the coronavirus, usually within 24 to 48 hours. He said the virus decimated the heart cells in his petri dishes.

“Cell nuclei — the hubs of all the genetic information, all of the nuclear DNA — in many of the cells were gone,” McDevitt said. “There was a black hole literally where we would normally see the nuclear DNA. That’s also pretty bizarre.”

While McDevitt’s study has not yet been peer-reviewed — it is still in pre-print — he said he felt compelled to share the findings as soon as possible. He said his team also sampled tissues from three COVID-19 patient autopsies and found similar damage in the heart muscles of those patients, none of whom had been flagged for myocarditis or heart problems while they were alive.

“This is probably not the whole story yet, but we think we have insights into the beginning of when the virus would get into some of these people and what it might be doing that is concerning enough that we should probably let people know, because clinicians need to be thinking about this,” McDevitt said in an interview. “We don’t have any means of bringing heart muscle back. ... This virus is [causing] a very different type of injury, and one we haven't seen before.”

McDevitt said the chopped-up heart muscles he and his colleagues saw are so concerning because when the microfibers in the muscle are damaged, the heart can’t properly contract.

“If heart muscle cells are damaged and they can’t regenerate themselves, then what you’re looking at is someone who could prematurely have heart failure or heart disease due to the virus,” McDevitt said. “This could be a warning sign for a potential wave of heart disease that we could see in the future, and it’s in the survivors — that’s the concern.”

McDevitt said he believes the risk of heart disease is serious and one people should consider as they assess their own risk of getting the coronavirus.

“I am more scared today of contracting the virus, by far, than I was four months ago,” he said.

The medical journal the Lancet recently reported that an 11-year-old child had died of myocarditis and heart failure after a bout of COVID-induced multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C). An autopsy showed coronavirus embedded in the child’s cardiac tissue.

A recent study from Germany found that 78 percent of patients who had recovered from the coronavirus and who had only mild to moderate symptoms while ill with the disease had indications of cardiac involvement on MRIs conducted more than two months after their initial infection. Lead investigator Eike Nagel said it is concerning to see such widespread cardiac impact; six in 10 of the patients Nagel’s team studied experienced ongoing myocardial inflammation.

“We found an astonishingly high level of cardiac involvement approximately two months after COVID infection,” Nagel said in an email. “These changes are much milder than observed in patients with severe acute myocarditis.”

The scale of the cardiac impact on relatively healthy, young patients surprised many doctors. Nagel said the findings are significant “on a population basis,” and that the impact of COVID-19 on the heart must be studied more.

Dr. Gregg Fonarow, chief of UCLA’s Division of Cardiology and director of the Ahmanson-UCLA Cardiomyopathy Center, said the picture is evolving, but the new studies showing cardiac impact in even young people with mild cases of COVID-19 have raised troubling new questions.

“We really do need to take seriously individuals that have had the infection and are having continued symptoms, [and] not just dismiss those symptoms,” Fonarow said. “There could be, in those who had milder or even asymptomatic cases, the potential for cardiac risk.”

Fonarow said it is important to understand whether a “more proactive screening and treatment approach” is needed to better address the needs of patients who have recovered from the coronavirus and who may still have weakened heart function. Fonarow said he found McDevitt’s research to be potentially significant because it proves “from a mechanistic standpoint that there can be direct cardiac injury from the virus itself.”

“Even if it were going to impact, say, 2 percent of the people that had COVID-19, when you think of the millions that have been infected, that ends up in absolute terms being a very large number of individuals,” Fonarow said in an interview. “You don’t want people to be unduly alarmed, but on the other hand you don’t want individuals to be complacent about, ‘Oh, the mortality rate is so low with COVID-19, I don’t really care if I’m infected because the chances that it will immediately or in the next few weeks kill me is small enough, I don’t need to be concerned.’ There are other consequences.”

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140PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/11/2020, 8:41 am

PkrBum

PkrBum
“We don’t realistically anticipate that we would be moving either to Tier 2 [of California’s reopening plan] or to reopening K-12 schools at least…until after the election, after, you know, in early November. If we just look at the timing of everything, it seems to us the most realistic approach to this would be to think that we’re gonna be where we are now…until…we are done with the elections.” LA County Health Director

141PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/11/2020, 4:32 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


142PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/11/2020, 5:18 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
Way to stick to your principles... lol. Sellout. At least we know the media will be consistent... right? No... lol. Comrades are so predictable.

Floridatexan wrote:
Bob Woodward is the biggest sellout in journalism.  Doesn't anyone wonder how he got the inside scoop on Watergate?  

Floridatexan wrote: I think Woodward sells out to the highest bidder...always has.  His books are yawners.  I just wish he would go away.

Floridatexan wrote:
Bob Woodward is a fraud...has been since Watergate.  

Former Newsweek Editor: Robert Gibbs Sent Me 'Abusive Email' In '08 For Article I Wrote About Obama - See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/02/28/former-newsweek-editor-robert-gibbs-sent-me-abusive-email-article-i-w#sthash.wiqk5q96.dpuf


Axelrod Disses Sperling To Downplay Woodward Dust-up - See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2013/03/01/axelord-disses-sperling-downplay-woodward-dust#sthash.169Imi59.dpuf


NBC's Lauer Dismisses Woodward: 'I'm A Little Surprised You've Gone Public With This' - See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2013/03/01/nbcs-lauer-dismisses-woodward-im-little-surprised-youve-gone-public#sthash.tPqfPbEl.dpuf


In Bob Woodward Dust-Up, New York Times Takes Side of White House, Not Fellow Journalist - See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2013/03/01/bob-woodward-dust-new-york-times-takes-side-white-house-not-fellow-jour#sthash.LoAoYYe2.dpuf


NBC's Gregory: Obama Doesn't Like Washington Press Corps, Feeling is 'Mutual' - See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2013/03/01/nbcs-gregory-obama-doesnt-washington-press-corps-feeling-mutual#sthash.pFO3VNrT.dpuf


MSNBC's Morning Joe Takes The Side Of The White House Against Woodward - See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-vespa/2013/03/01/msnbcs-morning-joe-take-side-white-house-against-woodward#sthash.Sx494Jpe.dpuf


Longtime Dem Lanny Davis Also Reports White House Threat - See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2013/02/28/longtime-dem-lanny-davis-also-reports-white-house-threat#sthash.csrUAopm.dpuf


Daily Kos Explodes, Says Bob Woodward Went 'Full Breitbart' On Sequestration Reporting - See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-vespa/2013/02/28/daily-kos-explodes-says-bob-woodward-went-full-breitbart-sequestration-r#sthash.ggH1bbXu.dpuf

143PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/11/2020, 6:31 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

I do not have a high opinion of Bob Woodward, but this book is based on recorded conversations with you know who. I do wish he had gone public much earlier, because he could possibly have saved some lives. I found his book after the invasion of Afghanistan a bore. And, he's a Republican, so there's that. As for the revelations found in the book, or Mary Trump's book, or Cohen's book, or numerous other accounts of Trump's behavior, they all fall into place. He's a piece of shit, always was and always will be.

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144PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/13/2020, 5:11 pm

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Floridatexan wrote:He's a piece of shit, always was and always will be.

Truer words were never spoken, FT.   That said, the question as to why Woodward didn't share his information sooner is a legitimate one, and I'll be interested to see whether or not and how Woodward answers that tonight during his scheduled appearance on 60 Minutes.  

The bottom line, though, is that Woodward is a journalist, and Trump is the president -- the one who had a duty to lead, to act in the interests of the people -- and flat out lied to them instead.

Just a 100% P.O.S. JERK, no two ways about it.

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145PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/13/2020, 5:46 pm

Telstar

Telstar
RealLindaL wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:He's a piece of shit, always was and always will be.

Truer words were never spoken, FT.   That said, the question as to why Woodward didn't share his information sooner is a legitimate one, and I'll be interested to see whether or not and how Woodward answers that tonight during his scheduled appearance on 60 Minutes.  

The bottom line, though, is that Woodward is a journalist, and Trump is the president -- the one who had a duty to lead, to act in the interests of the people -- and flat out lied to them instead.

Just a 100% P.O.S. JERK, no two ways about it.



I keep hearing that he can't win reelection without winning Florida. I hope most of Florida agrees that he is a 100% P.O.S. JERK.

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146PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/13/2020, 9:04 pm

RealLindaL


Telstar wrote:I keep hearing that he can't win reelection without winning Florida. I hope most of Florida agrees that he is a 100% P.O.S.  JERK.

Unfortunately, about half, the great unfathomable Florida unwashed, continue to support the jerk.  According to the pollsters, Trump and Biden are currently in a dead heat in Florida.  Appalling to the max.

It was somewhat heartening today to learn that Bloomberg plans to spend at least 100 million to help the Biden campaign in Florida.  I certainly hope it's spent wisely -- and soon.

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147PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/14/2020, 5:02 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
RealLindaL wrote:
Telstar wrote:I keep hearing that he can't win reelection without winning Florida. I hope most of Florida agrees that he is a 100% P.O.S.  JERK.

Unfortunately, about half, the great unfathomable Florida unwashed, continue to support the jerk.  According to the pollsters, Trump and Biden are currently in a dead heat in Florida.  Appalling to the max.

It was somewhat heartening today to learn that Bloomberg plans to spend at least 100 million to help the Biden campaign in Florida.  I certainly hope it's spent wisely -- and soon.

I was at the grocery talking about the wildfires and was told that "those are Democrat-run states". Makes no sense, but there it is. Then, on the way home, I passed my neighbor's house. The sign out front literally says "Trump/Pence 2020...No More Bullshit!" The disconnect is beyond anything I've ever seen. Who do these people think has been running things? Then the RNC tried to blame Biden for the virus. WTH? Oh, and I joined a FB group called Joe Biden for Texas. They're all talking about being afraid to put up a sign in their yards. Someone mentioned Bloomberg's help with Florida. They're hoping for some help from Bloomberg, too. I hope he does help Texas.

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148PANDUMBIC - Page 6 Empty Re: PANDUMBIC on 9/15/2020, 9:32 am

zsomething


Floridatexan wrote:
RealLindaL wrote:
Telstar wrote:I keep hearing that he can't win reelection without winning Florida. I hope most of Florida agrees that he is a 100% P.O.S.  JERK.

Unfortunately, about half, the great unfathomable Florida unwashed, continue to support the jerk.  According to the pollsters, Trump and Biden are currently in a dead heat in Florida.  Appalling to the max.

It was somewhat heartening today to learn that Bloomberg plans to spend at least 100 million to help the Biden campaign in Florida.  I certainly hope it's spent wisely -- and soon.

I was at the grocery talking about the wildfires and was told that "those are Democrat-run states".  Makes no sense, but there it is.  Then, on the way home, I passed my neighbor's house.  The sign out front literally says "Trump/Pence 2020...No More Bullshit!"  The disconnect is beyond anything I've ever seen.  Who do these people think has been running things?  Then the RNC tried to blame Biden for the virus.  WTH? Oh, and I joined a FB group called Joe Biden for Texas.  They're all talking about being afraid to put up a sign in their yards.  Someone mentioned Bloomberg's help with Florida.  They're hoping for some help from Bloomberg, too.  I hope he does help Texas.

Like I keep saying, they're a cult.  They're locked in a bubble, absolutely isolated from reality.  FOX and their other accepted-information-sources feed them a narrative that doesn't even resemble what's actually going on, and it cuts them off from looking at any other sources that would wise them up.  That's what frustrates me about my neighbors and co-workers... they believe ABSURD things (I mean, things no thinking adult should possibly buy into because they're so ridiculous -- I had one of 'em tell me that fifty percent of babies are being aborted now.  Imagine actually thinking that that's true, how flippin' crazy you'd have to be) and they will not be straightened out.

Over time the Republican party has gone from believing wrong things that were sorta reasonable to wrong about (I mean, trickle-down economics doesn't work at all, but you don't have to be insane to think the idea's somewhat logical) to things that are just apeshit-bonkers, like "Democrats are a Communist pedophile cult who are drinking the blood of babies to maintain their youth" (and I wish I was just making fun of them, but no, they really believe that shit https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rodney-howard-browne-hollywood-devil-worship_n_59e96616e4b0f9d35bc9a27b, and it's not just their "fringe" -- it's bigger than that.  Qanon freaks are winning nominations to hold office)  .    I mean, where is there to go with a group of people who can be made to believe shit like that, who are so full of hate that they'll believe their fellow citizens are actually monsters straight out of a Hammer film?  

So the "no more bullshit" signs are what they actually think.  They truly believe that Trump -- idiot, liar, mob-boss-for-all-practical-purposes -- is "reality" and everything else is just against him, not because he's crazy and wrong and pushing the country into disaster, but because "we can't get over him winning the election" or whatever.  It's nuckin' futz.   They think he's the "patriot" in the equation, despite clear evidence to the contrary.

Hell, Republicans just put out an ad saying "Support Our Troops."   The question is... which troops?

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Those are Russian troops in the picture. The planes are MiG-29s and dude's carrying an AK-74.

Trump's supporting Russian troops, for sure -- so far he hasn't done anything about the bounties placed on our folks 'cept ignore it -- but ours? Not so much. But it won't matter. All he has to do is SAY he supports the troops and conservatives aren't going to look any further into it. They don't care about actions. Looking into actions is too much work... it's easier and more comforting to just belieeeeeeevvvve like little children.

I don't want you to get in trouble, but it would be kinda fun to sneak over into the neighbor's yard and scribble out the "No" on the sign. Be more truthful, too -- "Trump/Pence 2020: More Bullshit!" Laughing

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https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/17/uk-govt-finally-admits-covid-statistics-are-inaccurate/

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/did-who-just-accidentally-confirm-covid-no-more-dangerous-flu

The global population is roughly 7.8 billion people, if 10% have been infected that is 780 million cases. The global death toll currently attributed to Sars-Cov-2 infections is 1,061,539.

That’s an infection fatality rate of roughly or 0.14%.

Right in line with seasonal flu and the predictions of many experts from all around the world.

0.14% is over 24 times LOWER than the WHO’s “provisional figure” of 3.4% back in March. This figure was used in the models which were used to justify lockdowns and other draconian policies.

In fact, given the over-reporting of alleged Covid deaths, the IFR is likely even lower than 0.14%, and could show Covid to be much less dangerous than flu.

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