No Country for Old Moderates

zsomething wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
The Democratic Middle Already Lost to Trump Once.  Do We Really Want This to Happen Again?

I would argue that the Democratic Middle lost to Trump (on an electoral college technicality that we really need to do away with in the future - it's nonrepresentative of public will) by a far narrower margin than a far-left candidate would have.  Scumdog Bernie got stomped like the doormat on a muddy day in the primary, and half his support was from caucus states (another outdated, nonrepresentative thing we need to do away with), so it continues to mystify me why people maintain this fantasy that he'd have had a better chance.  He couldn't win among Democrats, so how's he gonna win in the world at large?  It's ridiculous.

It's possible that a far-left candidate could win, but this still remains a fact that'd have to be overcome:  https://news.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

What really got us Trump is Bernie purists who pouted their way through the election and sat home or voted Jill Stein because they thought the democratic process of selecting a candidate was "cheating."  Bernie got us Trump, far more than anyone else did.  And I'm still hoping he either drops out of the race soon, or I'd be fine with it if the overrated simp just fucking dies.   I'm fine with Warren because she actually has plans that aren't just hippie fantasies (I still don't think some of them would be workable, but at least she's actually thinking rather than just dreaming), but Bernie's a burden and a liability who's still dividing our side, just for the sake of his own overinflated ego.   The man also bores the shit out of me -- I don't think he has much more of a vocabulary than Trump.  They're both like See 'n' Says -- no matter where you spin the arrow, when you pull the string you're going to hear one of about eight things, guaranteed.

PkrBum wrote:

zsomething wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
The Democratic Middle Already Lost to Trump Once.  Do We Really Want This to Happen Again?

I would argue that the Democratic Middle lost to Trump (on an electoral college technicality that we really need to do away with in the future - it's nonrepresentative of public will) by a far narrower margin than a far-left candidate would have.  Scumdog Bernie got stomped like the doormat on a muddy day in the primary, and half his support was from caucus states (another outdated, nonrepresentative thing we need to do away with), so it continues to mystify me why people maintain this fantasy that he'd have had a better chance.  He couldn't win among Democrats, so how's he gonna win in the world at large?  It's ridiculous.

It's possible that a far-left candidate could win, but this still remains a fact that'd have to be overcome:  https://news.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

What really got us Trump is Bernie purists who pouted their way through the election and sat home or voted Jill Stein because they thought the democratic process of selecting a candidate was "cheating."  Bernie got us Trump, far more than anyone else did.  And I'm still hoping he either drops out of the race soon, or I'd be fine with it if the overrated simp just fucking dies.   I'm fine with Warren because she actually has plans that aren't just hippie fantasies (I still don't think some of them would be workable, but at least she's actually thinking rather than just dreaming), but Bernie's a burden and a liability who's still dividing our side, just for the sake of his own overinflated ego.   The man also bores the shit out of me -- I don't think he has much more of a vocabulary than Trump.  They're both like See 'n' Says -- no matter where you spin the arrow, when you pull the string you're going to hear one of about eight things, guaranteed.

A complete lack of self-awareness as to the dem primary last time with regards to Bernie...
and what exactly the left has become. Only a few years ago Obama's illegal immigration policy was exactly trump's policy... except more aggressive.

Floridatexan wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

zsomething wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
The Democratic Middle Already Lost to Trump Once.  Do We Really Want This to Happen Again?

I would argue that the Democratic Middle lost to Trump (on an electoral college technicality that we really need to do away with in the future - it's nonrepresentative of public will) by a far narrower margin than a far-left candidate would have.  Scumdog Bernie got stomped like the doormat on a muddy day in the primary, and half his support was from caucus states (another outdated, nonrepresentative thing we need to do away with), so it continues to mystify me why people maintain this fantasy that he'd have had a better chance.  He couldn't win among Democrats, so how's he gonna win in the world at large?  It's ridiculous.

It's possible that a far-left candidate could win, but this still remains a fact that'd have to be overcome:  https://news.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

What really got us Trump is Bernie purists who pouted their way through the election and sat home or voted Jill Stein because they thought the democratic process of selecting a candidate was "cheating."  Bernie got us Trump, far more than anyone else did.  And I'm still hoping he either drops out of the race soon, or I'd be fine with it if the overrated simp just fucking dies.   I'm fine with Warren because she actually has plans that aren't just hippie fantasies (I still don't think some of them would be workable, but at least she's actually thinking rather than just dreaming), but Bernie's a burden and a liability who's still dividing our side, just for the sake of his own overinflated ego.   The man also bores the shit out of me -- I don't think he has much more of a vocabulary than Trump.  They're both like See 'n' Says -- no matter where you spin the arrow, when you pull the string you're going to hear one of about eight things, guaranteed.

A complete lack of self-awareness as to the dem primary last time with regards to Bernie...
and what exactly the left has become. Only a few years ago Obama's illegal immigration policy was exactly trump's policy... except more aggressive.

You're a damn liar.

PkrBum wrote:Those are objective empirical facts. I wouldn't expect you to understand. Not found on koz, slate, msnbc... etc.

PkrBum wrote:I like Joe... but this was inevitable. It's who he is... maybe a little worse for age.

Sal wrote:White House hopeful Joe Biden doubled down on his vow to cooperate with Republicans should he be elected president, saying he successfully worked across the aisle as vice president.

“There’s an awful lot of really good Republicans out there,” he said Saturday at a Massachusetts fundraiser. “I get in trouble for saying that with Democrats, but the truth of the matter is, every time we ever got in trouble with our administration, remember who got sent up to Capitol Hill to fix it? Me. Because they know I respect the other team.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/457838-biden-theres-an-awful-lot-of-really-good-republicans-out-there

That is some GRADE A bullshit, right there.

I get it that he thinks it's good strategy for the general, but that's not gonna sell in a contested primary.

He didn't get sent up to the Hill to fix jack shit, because the Repukes didn't want anything fixed.  They were absolute bomb-throwing obstructionists then, and it's only gotten worse since.  Anything the Obama administration accomplished they did despite Repuke resistance.

If he has the gall to try to trot out that happy horseshit on the primary debate stage, a gold star to the first candidate who responds, "And, that's why Merrick Garland is on the Supreme Court today.  Thanks, Joe!".