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I really don't know how you managed to vote for Hillary, since you hated Bill so much.Floridatexan wrote:
I think you have an overpowering urge to be right...that's a sign of weakness, not strength.
I often wondered why Bill Clinton surged to the right after his election. I thought at the time that he was trying to mollify Republicans, who attacked him constantly...the same way they did with Obama, except of course, for the racial animus. Now I think he was just playing political hardball...trying to co-opt and preempt the Republicans of that time. The big losers were the people who had to suffer the effects of those policies. We don't need that in the Democratic Party...not now and not ever.
bigdog wrote:I really don't know how you managed to vote for Hillary, since you hated Bill so much.Floridatexan wrote:
I think you have an overpowering urge to be right...that's a sign of weakness, not strength.
I often wondered why Bill Clinton surged to the right after his election. I thought at the time that he was trying to mollify Republicans, who attacked him constantly...the same way they did with Obama, except of course, for the racial animus. Now I think he was just playing political hardball...trying to co-opt and preempt the Republicans of that time. The big losers were the people who had to suffer the effects of those policies. We don't need that in the Democratic Party...not now and not ever.
I don't think I'm confused, or have an overpowering urge to be right. You respond to my posts every time I make one, just like I respond to yours. So, maybe it's you that has an overpowering urge to be right.
Remember, 50 years ago I took that psychology class in college, so everybody has to assume I'm an authority on human thinking.
Dang, I actually took 3 psych courses, come to think of it. I must be a living, breathing genius in the field.
Don't try and analyze me. I can promise you, you'll only become more confused. If you could ask anyone who actually knows me, they will tell you that I am difficult to get to know. It takes a little work. And I don't think you're that interested, because you need everybody to fit into some box or the other.
And you don't have the authority to say who is a good Democrat and who is not. Democrats are totally allowed to think for themselves. We don't have to follow anyone else's agenda.
We are not Republicans. They don't have that right.
Statements like this one that you just made are extremely divisive as well as just positively irksome.
"We don't need that in the Democratic Party...not now and not ever."
You're not allowed to proclaim yourself the Royal "We."
That would be Donald Trump's attitude over his party.
All the "we's" in the Democratic party get to have a say. Like it or not.
Floridatexan wrote:bigdog wrote:I really don't know how you managed to vote for Hillary, since you hated Bill so much.Floridatexan wrote:
I think you have an overpowering urge to be right...that's a sign of weakness, not strength.
I often wondered why Bill Clinton surged to the right after his election. I thought at the time that he was trying to mollify Republicans, who attacked him constantly...the same way they did with Obama, except of course, for the racial animus. Now I think he was just playing political hardball...trying to co-opt and preempt the Republicans of that time. The big losers were the people who had to suffer the effects of those policies. We don't need that in the Democratic Party...not now and not ever.
I don't think I'm confused, or have an overpowering urge to be right. You respond to my posts every time I make one, just like I respond to yours. So, maybe it's you that has an overpowering urge to be right.
Remember, 50 years ago I took that psychology class in college, so everybody has to assume I'm an authority on human thinking.
Dang, I actually took 3 psych courses, come to think of it. I must be a living, breathing genius in the field.
Don't try and analyze me. I can promise you, you'll only become more confused. If you could ask anyone who actually knows me, they will tell you that I am difficult to get to know. It takes a little work. And I don't think you're that interested, because you need everybody to fit into some box or the other.
And you don't have the authority to say who is a good Democrat and who is not. Democrats are totally allowed to think for themselves. We don't have to follow anyone else's agenda.
We are not Republicans. They don't have that right.
Statements like this one that you just made are extremely divisive as well as just positively irksome.
"We don't need that in the Democratic Party...not now and not ever."
You're not allowed to proclaim yourself the Royal "We."
That would be Donald Trump's attitude over his party.
All the "we's" in the Democratic party get to have a say. Like it or not.
I never said I hated Bill Clinton, and in fact, I voted for him twice.
It may be a big tent, but there's no room for Republican lite.
bigdog wrote:Honey Child, if "republican light" as you want to call Centrists vote to get rid of Donald Trump in 2020, you'd better bow down and kiss our asses.
Because YOU PROGRESSIVES don't have the votes to do it by yourselves.
Centrists staying home equals a Trump victory.
That's a fact.
You're not helping your case by making the comments you're making on this forum. All that does is convince me you've gone all the way to the left and fallen off a cliff.
bigdog wrote:I'm addressing you, since it's YOU that wants to call me "republican lite" every time you post.
You talking about something that revs up my anger that's it. Especially when I know that last election I did phone banking for Andrew Gillum for governor, the election before that I walked out in the rain visiting people's house canvassing for Hillary, that I manned a booth at our Music Festival for John Kerry, and a booth at Earth Day for John Edwards, and went to South Florida as a state delegate for Wes Clark (all in one election cycle, btw) And I also campaigned for Al gore, fyi, and WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU DONE EXCEPT SIT ON THIS FORUM AND CALL PEOPLE NAMES?
Don't call me a fucking republican again until you can prove you are a democrat to me, I haven't seen any proof. All I've seen is someone who thinks she can pick and choose who she wants to be in "HER" little idea of the Democratic party while she sits at home dreaming about the day AOC will be led into the White House without even having to be elected.
Show me your resume lady, or stop with the Republican comments. I don't appreciate them one iota and neither would you.
So shut the fuck up.
I know who I'm talking to when I talk to you. It's the kind of person who would ask me "who do you think you're talking to" without one iota of proof of who the hell she is.
It's not who I think I am, it's who I know I am. It's somebody that doesn't take crap from strangers on an internet forum.
You could be the forum moderator as far as I know, but if you are, you're not a good one, because all you do is insult anyone that disagrees with you. Of course, that's when you're not telling other people to not speak to posters that disagree with you. How very "free speech" of you. Not very Democratic of you though.
One more time, show me your resume as a Democrat or shut up with the Republican crap.
bigdog wrote:I remember who you are, and I remember you've been here for years. At one time, we got along quite well.
But when you imply that I am no better than a member of a political group that locks babies in cages, that cuts it with me. Calling me a Republican is the last straw as far as any civility in conversation that I can manage with you.
You never shared any personal information on even the old forum, and, apparently, you have nothing to brag about now.
You can just be like Seaoat, I suppose, and spend years telling people they'd all know who he really was someday, and would recognize his name because he was well known. Then he passes, and no one still knows anything about him. He was a pretty good guy though, and didn't go around calling people by names they'd asked him not to use on more than one occasion.
You can't help yourself, apparently, no self restraint at all.
I don't need any help, I know who I am. I'm not a Republican.I'm also not ashamed that I was one 30 years ago. It's called changing with the times, learning and growing. I'm sorry you can't deal with anyone who has done that, nor do you have the ability to apologize for name calling when you've been asked to stop 4 or 5 times now.
That's harassment, which is what insecure folks like the Donald do.
Did you ever notice?.
bigdog wrote:I don't care whether you admire me as a "fence Sitter" or not. I don't sit on the fence on any issue that can think of, I have definite opinions on pretty much every issue. Unlike Democrats, I believe in the Death Penalty, I favor people being able to keep handguns but not assault weapons, and I think Bill Clinton's welfare reform program was an excellent idea. That's based on the experience of having been a welfare worker, btw, so you can have your opinion too, but I have more experience in that field than you do, I'm fairly sure of that. I disagreed with Clinton on Waco and several other things.
Unlike both Republicans and Democrats, I don't believe in American Exceptionalism, that God blesses us or cares about us one iota more than he does the people in Somalia or Brazil or any other nation. I don't think he cares about nations or their boundaries at all.
Unlike both Republicans and Dems, I think all drugs should be legalized and those who have problems should be treated and not punished. I think the government is having a hissy fit over opiates and all it's doing is keeping people who really need them from getting them.
But as for being "like Republicans," there's almost nothing I agree with.
I don't know what you got angry about on the old forum and I don't give a damn. Yeah, I used different names on that forum, and so did a lot of other people. It took about 5 minutes for someone to figure out who I was every time I posted though, so it didn't really matter. I often changed names to simply be left alone for a short minute or two over there.
I have no intention of apologizing for anything over there that you objected to, because, first of all, that's supposed to be off limits. Secondly, I have never been untrue to myself and have nothing to apologize for.
It was a very bad situation with a sad ending but I have no reason to dwell on it anymore and don't plan to pretend I feel guilty, thanks very much.
And since you think I've forgotten stuff from back then, no, not most of it. I'm still the only one on this forum or any forum anywhere who knows exactly what it was all about and why it was ultimately unavoidable.
I'll no doubt be contradicted on that, But whatever you have from back then you really need to get rid of. I've been rid of it for several years now, and anybody with any emotional baggage from way back then definitely needs some help.
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