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26Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 4/25/2019, 10:22 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

This part really bothers me:

"Alright, so Buttigieg sounds like a bit of a Silicon Valley “growth is everything,” “we can make an app for that” kind of guy. So what? Well, so, I didn’t realize the whole way through Shortest Way Home that South Bend actually has a serious poverty problem! Over ¼ of its residents are poor. It’s not just that Buttigieg is interested in hooking the sewers up to wi-fi. (I’m a “sewer socialist,” I like progressive wastewater management.) It’s that he spends zero time in the book discussing the economic struggles of the residents of his city!

Did you know there’s a giant racial wealth gap in South Bend? You won’t if all you read about South Bend is Shortest Way Home. Oh sure, he takes us on an ambling tour through the city, shows us people kayaking on the old industrial canal, wanders under the railroad bridge, takes us to see live music in an abandoned swimming pool. He tells us about twilight on the river, the fish-stealing heron on his running route (“To some he is a villain… but to me he is an elegant bird.”) But have a look at Prosperity Now’s “Racial Wealth Divide in South Bend” report and see if you think these should really be the mayor’s narrative priorities.

South Bend African Americans make ½ of what South Bend whites make. They’re twice as likely to be in liquid asset poverty as whites. Their unemployment rate is nearly twice as high. Moreover:

The median African American household income level in South Bend is $14,000 lower than African American national average and they hold an income poverty rate of 40.2%, which is almost two times higher than the country average for African Americans.

As the report makes clear, the situation for Hispanic residents of South Bend is similarly disturbing.

What did Mayor Pete do about this? Well, to do something about it he might have had to care about it, and there’s no evidence from his book that he’s ever even thought about it. In fact, as I started reading about South Bend after getting through Shortest Way Home, there was a lot Buttigieg had left out. The eviction rate has been nearly three times the national average, a “crisis” among the worst in the country. If the word “eviction” appears in Buttigieg’s book, I did not notice it. The opiate crisis, homelessness, and gentrification are all serious issues in South Bend, but Buttigieg mentions them offhandedly if at all.

All of this made me go back and rethink one of Buttigieg’s proudest stories. Every time the media talks about Buttigieg, if they mention anything other than his résumé, it’s his signature initiative to deal with “blight.” Buttigieg says that when he took office, there were “too many houses,” that the main complaint he received from residents was about the proliferation of vacant homes. His major policy goal, then, was to “repair or demolish” 1,000 homes in 1,000 days, a number his staff thought impossible. The council president called this an initiative to “right-size the city” (“right-size” is a euphemism from the business world used to make layoffs sound like the simple reasonableness of a corporate Goldilocks). Thanks to his diligent, McKinsey-esque management, Buttigieg blew past the goal.

But news coverage of the plan makes it sound a little less savory:

By leveling fees and fines, the city leaned on homeowners to make repairs or have their houses demolished. In many cases, Buttigieg said, the homeowners proved impossible to find amid a string of active and inactive investment companies. In other cases, he said, they were unwilling or unable to make repairs.

Make repairs or have your house flattened? Wait, who were these people who were “unable” to make repairs? Were they, by chance, poor? Also, how did these houses become vacant in the first place? Were people evicted or foreclosed on? Look a little deeper into the coverage and you’ll find that this was not simply a matter of “efficient and responsive government,” but a plan to coerce those who possessed dilapidated houses into either spending money or having the houses cleared away for development:

Community advocates in poorer, often African-American or Hispanic neighborhoods began to complain that the city was being too aggressive in fining property owners over code enforcement. The city leveled fines that added up to thousands of dollars, in certain cases, to pressure homeowners to make repairs or have their houses demolished.

Buttigieg’s autobiography does not discuss the social implications of his plan. He brags about his “audacious goals” and “ambitious initiatives,” but questions of justice and injustice are absent.

And there are issues of justice in South Bend. In places, gentrification is apparently “gobbling up more of the smaller more middle class and more black parts of the neighborhood.” Last winter the city’s inaction on homelessness left “the chronically homeless to camp in the woods as temperatures drop[ped],” and activists say Buttigieg’s “leadership has fallen short on homelessness.” (Buttigieg declined to appoint a homelessness czar.) A charter school company (“Success Virtual Learning Centers”) is trying to introduce one of those most hellish of things, the “online charter school” where students sit in a bare room all day being taught by a laptop instead of a teacher. The school-to-prison pipeline is a serious problem, with black boys being suspended and kicked out of school. But community activists aren’t characters in Shortest Way Home, and you won’t hear about the actions of groups like Community Action For Education..."

27Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 4/25/2019, 3:03 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

All these posts about Mayor Pete are very interesting and enlightening. I had not heard him say one thing I strongly disagreed with. In these days of virtually instant "stardom" in the realm of politics I could see the possibility of someone like him taking the lead and ending up on the ticket, possibly as VP. Now I'm thinking he won't make it. At this point the reports about South bend weigh heavily against him in my book, the black/white economic gap, joblessness among blacks, etc.

Also, before reading here, I had serious doubts about his ability to reach out to Black voters, a crucial voting block. Without them Democrats are doomed.

I'm not very enthused about Joe. It's like, gee, he's a great guy, let's leave it at that and not spoil the soft-focused picture of him, but linked with Harris as VEEP, I could see it. He'd make a good magnet for the formerly Obama voters? Possibly he'd be a bridge back to "normal, according to the norms" activity in DC?

28Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 4/25/2019, 4:36 pm

Telstar

Telstar

othershoe1030 wrote:
but linked with Harris as VEEP, I could see it. He'd make a good magnet for the formerly Obama voters? Possibly he'd be a bridge back to "normal, according to the norms" activity in DC?




Now you've got the ticket! Laughing

29Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 4/25/2019, 5:08 pm

RealLindaL



I think Biden's positions/values are more closely aligned with Klobuchar than Harris, but Harris -- if she's willing to work with Joe -- would be a better draw for youth and minorities. (Presuming, that is, we're keeping our eye on the goal: getting rid of the putrid mess in the White House.)

BTW, hope everyone can remember: Harris' first name is pronounced like the punctuation mark "comma" followed by "la." Comma-la. Easy.

Heard a really stupid local conservative talk show guy on the radio yesterday showing his ignorance by pronouncing Steve Mnuchin's last name as "Munchin," and Buttigieg's as something like "Boot-i-sjay" (last syllable same as in Faberge'). I guess he thinks Mayor Pete is French?? Idiot.

30Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 4/25/2019, 6:56 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

If there's one thing all the commentators agree on, and as far as I can see, they are getting this right: The number one requirement of any Democratic candidate is that they beat DJT. It is good to have that aim in mind. Of course, there will be debate as to who best fits that bill but at least all the candidates must have that in mind.

31Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 4/25/2019, 6:56 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Again, I'm just not feeling this guy, Buttigieg. But I'm also completely on the fence about the other candidates. I like Warren. I like Harris. I like Joe. And I like some of the younger candidates...O'Rourke, Castro. I just don't have enough information at this point to make a decision, unlike 2008, when I had heard Obama speak in 2004. I knew it then. So we'll see what shakes out, but...and I've said this before, no Republican will ever get a vote from me.

32Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 4/26/2019, 5:39 am

Telstar

Telstar

RealLindaL wrote:

Heard a really stupid local conservative talk show guy on the radio yesterday showing his ignorance by pronouncing Steve Mnuchin's last name as "Munchin," and Buttigieg's as something like "Boot-i-sjay" (last syllable same as in Faberge').   I guess he thinks Mayor Pete is French??  Idiot.




"Local" meaning Florida of course.

33Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 4/26/2019, 5:53 am

Telstar

Telstar

othershoe1030 wrote:If there's one thing all the commentators agree on, and as far as I can see, they are getting this right: The number one requirement of any Democratic candidate is that they beat DJT. It is good to have that aim in mind. Of course, there will be debate as to who best fits that bill but at least all the candidates must have that in mind.



That's why I flipped on Sleepy Joe. Love his video that reminds us about Charlottesville and his "good people on both sides" claim. It's a direct attack on the true "enemy of the people." Twisted Evil

34Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 4/26/2019, 5:56 am

Telstar

Telstar

Floridatexan wrote:Again, I'm just not feeling this guy, Buttigieg.  But I'm also completely on the fence about the other candidates.  I like Warren.  I like Harris.  I like Joe.  And I like some of the younger candidates...O'Rourke, Castro.  I just don't have enough information at this point to make a decision, unlike 2008, when I had heard Obama speak in 2004.  I knew it then.  So we'll see what shakes out, but...and I've said this before, no Republican will ever get a vote from me.





On the other hand, whoever wins the Dem nomination will get your vote, I hope.

35Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 4/29/2019, 3:52 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Yes, Telstar. I will vote, and I will support whomever gets the nomination.

36Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 4/29/2019, 5:14 pm

Telstar

Telstar

Floridatexan wrote:
Yes, Telstar.  I will vote, and I will support whomever gets the nomination.




Good for you cheers but let's face it, any woman who votes republican these days deserves all the hell she ends up with. In this life and all those that come after.

37Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/4/2019, 10:47 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


My friend from HS posted this on FB. She is Jewish. Despite any reservations I might have for Pete Buttegieg on policy, he does not deserve to be attacked for his homosexuality.

Michael Luscombe
November 17, 2014
In her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.

The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations.
A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24.
The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9.
The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death.
Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan.

James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus, Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia
(It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian)

38Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/4/2019, 11:26 am

RealLindaL



HILARIOUS, FT - and so very spot on.   Thanks for posting!  This one is definitely share-worthy.

(Have seen similar things before -- and this one has obviously been out and about since at least 2014 - but I consider it the best of the lot.)

39Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/4/2019, 5:26 pm

Telstar

Telstar

Anyone who takes advice from that old witch deserves all the heartbreak they get.

40Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/4/2019, 8:25 pm

knothead

knothead

Great post FT thanks!

41Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/5/2019, 12:20 am

boards of FL

boards of FL

I'm 100% all-in on Pete Buttigieg.


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42Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/5/2019, 12:38 am

RealLindaL



Thanks for weighing in, boards. Always good to hear from you on any topic whatsoever.

43Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/6/2019, 7:59 am

Sal

Sal

boards of FL wrote:I'm 100% all-in on Pete Buttigieg.

Why?

44Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/7/2019, 5:03 pm

RealLindaL



Sal wrote:
boards of FL wrote:I'm 100% all-in on Pete Buttigieg.

Why?

Good and fair, serious question, I'd say. For my part, I'd really like to know. Mayor Pete seems pretty OK so far, but I'd want to know a whole heckuva lot more about him, his philosophy and proposed policies before I'd be "all in."

45Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/14/2019, 1:48 pm

bigdog



Oh, Mayor Pete, Mayor Pete.  You've done it now. You admitted you did not know who Alfred E Neuman was.
You are now sent directly to the bottom of my list of primary candidates.
I'll bet he thinks Monty Python was a singing group and the Pink Panther was some poor feline in a zoo with a disease affecting the color of his coat.
And I am not prejudiced against him because of his generational ignorance. I'm prejudiced against him for his lack of knowledge of comedy history.
Will Rogers died 14 years before I was born and I have a bust of him in my display cabinet that came from his home in Pacific Palisades California where I visited a few years ago. I consider him one of the greatest Americans of the 20th century.
Pete, Pete, Pete, you've lost me young man...…...

46Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/14/2019, 3:37 pm

Telstar

Telstar

bigdog wrote:Oh, Mayor Pete, Mayor Pete.  You've done it now. You admitted you did not know who Alfred E Neuman was.
You are now sent directly to the bottom of my list of primary candidates.
I'll bet he thinks Monty Python was a singing group and the Pink Panther was some poor feline in a zoo with a disease affecting the color of his coat.
And I am not prejudiced against him because of his generational ignorance. I'm prejudiced against him for his lack of knowledge of comedy history.
Will Rogers died 14 years before I was born and I have a bust of him in my display cabinet that came from his home in Pacific Palisades California where I visited a few years ago. I consider him one of the greatest Americans of the 20th century.
Pete, Pete, Pete, you've lost me young man...…...





Wasn't Rogers the guy who said he never met a man he didn't like but he can't be a man cause he doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me? Something like that.

47Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/14/2019, 4:25 pm

bigdog



Yes, and he said a lot of other things. He was from Oklahoma and came into fame as a cowboy comedian. He would do rope tricks and weave his comedy int his routine, kind of like Harry Anderson and his magic. I won't tell you who Harry Anderson was if you don't know that he wasn't just the judge on Night Court. Anyway, Rogers was the Mark Twain of the generation that went through the Depression. When FDR gave his fireside chats on the radio, Will Rogers was always his "opening act." His comedy always favored the average man- he's also famous for saying "God must have loved the poor folks because he made so many of them." He was so beloved that when he died in an airplane crash over Alaska in 1935, more Americans showed up at his funeral than had ever attended a funeral in history. there were literally thousands of people lined up to mourn him. The headlines from that day were famous for years after. They said "A Smile has gone from the face of America." He was definitely the most beloved character in this country, also a good Democrat. One of his sayings you might know is "I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a democrat."
One fascinating fact that a lot of people don't know about him is that when Charles Lindbergh's baby was kidnapped and killed, Lindbergh could not handle the press being around all the time, so he and Ann, his wife, hid away at Will Roger's House in Pacific Palisades. There was then, and still is, a long porch all the way in front of the house with a rose trellis going across it. When Ann Lindbergh moved in with the Rogers family, she vowed that she would place one rose petal from that trellis each day in a wine glass until her baby was found. As you might know, the baby was later found just yards from the Lindbergh's own home-apparently the kidnapper had dropped the child off the ladder he'd used to get up to his nursery, and the baby died. He buried the baby right there on the property.
I tell you this story because the most fascinating part of of the story is that still, on the dining room table in the Roger's home, sits that wine glass with the dusty petals inside of it.
It's a real lesson in history to visit that place. Howard Hughes flew in and out and landed on the polo field, Walt Disney and Clark Gable played polo there. It's probably the best tour I've ever taken. If you ever go to LA, this is the one place to get a real lesson about Hollywood royalty and their real history.
Anyway. Okay, I'll shut up.. Obviously I have some idols.

48Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/14/2019, 4:38 pm

bigdog



http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Will_Rogers

Here's some quotes. My favorite is the first.
"An ignorant person is one who doesn't know what you just found out."

49Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/14/2019, 7:25 pm

Telstar

Telstar

Sounds like a great tour. Any pictures or stories about Wiley Post?

50Mayor Pete - Page 2 Empty Re: Mayor Pete 5/14/2019, 8:20 pm

bigdog



Just what a great pilot he was, and what close friends the two men were. Rogers was warned not to go on the trip, but he said Wiley Post was the best pilot in the world so it didn't bother him. He had a real interest in air flight and all it could offer. The man who did the tour seemed genuinely sad when he talked about Post and Rogers deaths in Alaska, almost to the point of tears. He was in his 40's probably, and I really didn't want to ask him if he was a family member. One thing that made the tour so nice is that it was only me, my husband, and my brother Johnny.
One of the stories he told was about Roger's daughter, Mary,  and Howard Hughes. Apparently, Hughes had quite a crush on the Roger's girl and kept flying in to see her. Will did not approve of Hughes at all, though he did let him use his polo field to land his plane. Apparently, Hughes made such a nuisance out of himself that he had to be told to stay away from Mary  by her mother, Betty.  The guide said nobody ever disobeyed Mrs Rogers.
Walt Disney was a regular at the polo field too, and in his younger years was a pretty affable guy. He hurt his back playing polo at the  Roger's house, an was never really out of pain after that. His personality changed, and people said he was something of a tyrant for the rest of his life after that.
When you drive up to the house you can see the polo fields on the right and the ranch house on the left, and it's a very beautiful place. The day we went the ,  kids were playing soccer on the polo field and people were having picnics under the huge trees on the property. The house and the land are a state park now and used for public recreation. There are riding stables,( they still have polo matches there) -it's just a great place to visit. The tour guide seemed to know an enormous amount about the old, glamorous Hollywood. The property though, is now in the hands of the public. That's what the Rogers family wanted.   It really exists in the spirit of the man who created it.

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