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If I was born in iraq or iran, I might be fighting Americans. Is it a crime to have pride in where you come from?

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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Hey we Nuked japan ...twice now that's exceptional. Real bad trip for japan ..thought they were fighting a conventional war and we surprised and vaporized them..poof..

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

Dreamsglore wrote:
Bob wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:


The only place we are exceptional is in our minds. The rest of the world laughs at us.
The whole world engages in this nationalism and flag-waving and "my country right or wrong", not just this country. Always has.
So if they're laughing at us they need to look in their mirrors too.

I'm not wanting us to emulate those nutters we're fighting. I'm wanting us to let them alone to wallow in their own misery while we concentrate on trying to stop some of our ours.

I'm not so sure all other countries have done the things we've done from slavery to Japanese imprisonment to waterboarding to not taking care of our citizens healthcare needs. I don't call that exceptionalism.We have a lot of things to be proud of and a lot to be not so proud of. Some countries do a lot better than we do.

I'll pitch in for the moving costs. Where shall I mail the check?
We'll have a going away party after you leave. Will you be flying your own broom or booking a flight?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I'm not sure we can judge countries the same way they judge singers on American Idol, dreamsglore.
Great things have happened in America and so has stupid stuff. I'm not aware of any country which can lay claim to only the greatness part.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

The line in the movie was "follow the money", Ghandi.
But don't take this from a low-life draft dodger like me. How bout a Marine who won the Congressional Medal of Honor twice. Do you really want to dismiss what he said too?

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1

Or how about the American WW2 General who commanded Allied Forces in Europe? He told you the same thing.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Bob wrote:I'm not sure we can judge countries the same way they judge singers on American Idol, dreamsglore.
Great things have happened in America and so has stupid stuff. I'm not aware of any country which can lay claim to only the greatness part.


America is a Vampire born in blood and kept alive by blood . Same as Israel.

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

Bob wrote:The line in the movie was "follow the money", Ghandi.
But don't take this from a low-life draft dodger like me. How bout a Marine who won the Congressional Medal of Honor twice. Do you really want to dismiss what he said too?

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1

Or how about the American WW2 General who commanded Allied Forces in Europe? He told you the same thing.

Then why was there war before there was money?
Even the indians who we stole this country from had their little wars between tribes.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

ghandi wrote:
Bob wrote:The line in the movie was "follow the money", Ghandi.
But don't take this from a low-life draft dodger like me. How bout a Marine who won the Congressional Medal of Honor twice. Do you really want to dismiss what he said too?

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1

Or how about the American WW2 General who commanded Allied Forces in Europe? He told you the same thing.

Then why was there war before there was money?
Even the indians who we stole this country from had their little wars between tribes.

Money is a medium of exchange ..before money it was exchanging property and produce and some didn't want to pay for it so they stole it by war...same as today.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

[quote="ghandi"]
Bob wrote:

Then why was there war before there was money?
Even the indians who we stole this country from had their little wars between tribes.
Believe me, ghandi, the Indians had alterior motives which involved their ideas of material wealth and resources no different than any other human beings. Remember, they didn't give away Manhattan Island. They traded it for what had value to them.

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ghandi wrote:
Bob wrote:The line in the movie was "follow the money", Ghandi.
But don't take this from a low-life draft dodger like me. How bout a Marine who won the Congressional Medal of Honor twice. Do you really want to dismiss what he said too?

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1

Or how about the American WW2 General who commanded Allied Forces in Europe? He told you the same thing.

Then why was there war before there was money?
Even the indians who we stole this country from had their little wars between tribes.

Land grabbing and resources back then..
Now there's big profits being made by the war machine, at the blood, sweat and tears of the taxpayers..

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
ghandi wrote:
Bob wrote:The line in the movie was "follow the money", Ghandi.
But don't take this from a low-life draft dodger like me. How bout a Marine who won the Congressional Medal of Honor twice. Do you really want to dismiss what he said too?

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1

Or how about the American WW2 General who commanded Allied Forces in Europe? He told you the same thing.

Then why was there war before there was money?
Even the indians who we stole this country from had their little wars between tribes.

Money is a medium of exchange ..before money it was exchanging property and produce and some didn't want to pay for it so they stole it by war...same as today.

Is that why people rob liquor stores and shoot the clerk? Because they don't want to pay for it?

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

Lurch wrote:
ghandi wrote:
Bob wrote:The line in the movie was "follow the money", Ghandi.
But don't take this from a low-life draft dodger like me. How bout a Marine who won the Congressional Medal of Honor twice. Do you really want to dismiss what he said too?

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1

Or how about the American WW2 General who commanded Allied Forces in Europe? He told you the same thing.

Then why was there war before there was money?
Even the indians who we stole this country from had their little wars between tribes.

Land grabbing and resources back then..
Now there's big profits being made by the war machine, at the blood, sweat and tears of the taxpayers..

How much blood sweat and tears have you contributed?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

ghandi wrote:

How much blood sweat and tears have you contributed?
That's a damn good and damn valid question which should be asked.
But you should also be putting the same question to Dick Cheney, Mitt Romney, Rush Limbaugh, and a great many more who have always egged on others to shed the blood, sweat and tears for them.

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A lot of sweat from being taxed so heavily on these Bull Shit Wars..
I guess I did shed a few tears at some Military Funerals I went to also..
I really don't believe in heaven or hell but if there are such places I'm sure the warmongers will be rotting in hell where they belong..

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

Lurch wrote:A lot of sweat from being taxed so heavily on these Bull Shit Wars..
I really don't believe in heaven or hell but if there are such places I'm sure the warmongers will be rotting in hell where they belong..

You're saying the wars raised your taxes?
Wow. I had no idea the government singled you out and put a special "war tax" on your earnings.
I didn't get the war tax. Lucky me. And I'm sure I earn more than you do.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

You asked "why do we do it", ghandi.

Here's how the two-time Congressional Medal of Honor winning Marine answered that...


The normal profits of a business concern in the United States are six, eight, ten, and sometimes twelve percent. But war-time profits -- ah! that is another matter -- twenty, sixty, one hundred, three hundred, and even eighteen hundred per cent -- the sky is the limit. All that traffic will bear. Uncle Sam has the money. Let's get it.

Of course, it isn't put that crudely in war time. It is dressed into speeches about patriotism, love of country, and "we must all put our shoulders to the wheel," but the profits jump and leap and skyrocket -- and are safely pocketed. Let's just take a few examples:

Take our friends the du Ponts, the powder people -- didn't one of them testify before a Senate committee recently that their powder won the war? Or saved the world for democracy? Or something? How did they do in the war? They were a patriotic corporation. Well, the average earnings of the du Ponts for the period 1910 to 1914 were $6,000,000 a year. It wasn't much, but the du Ponts managed to get along on it. Now let's look at their average yearly profit during the war years, 1914 to 1918. Fifty-eight million dollars a year profit we find! Nearly ten times that of normal times, and the profits of normal times were pretty good. An increase in profits of more than 950 per cent.

Take one of our little steel companies that patriotically shunted aside the making of rails and girders and bridges to manufacture war materials. Well, their 1910-1914 yearly earnings averaged $6,000,000. Then came the war. And, like loyal citizens, Bethlehem Steel promptly turned to munitions making. Did their profits jump -- or did they let Uncle Sam in for a bargain? Well, their 1914-1918 average was $49,000,000 a year!

Or, let's take United States Steel. The normal earnings during the five-year period prior to the war were $105,000,000 a year. Not bad. Then along came the war and up went the profits. The average yearly profit for the period 1914-1918 was $240,000,000. Not bad.

There you have some of the steel and powder earnings. Let's look at something else. A little copper, perhaps. That always does well in war times.

Anaconda, for instance. Average yearly earnings during the pre-war years 1910-1914 of $10,000,000. During the war years 1914-1918 profits leaped to $34,000,000 per year.

Or Utah Copper. Average of $5,000,000 per year during the 1910-1914 period. Jumped to an average of $21,000,000 yearly profits for the war period.

Let's group these five, with three smaller companies. The total yearly average profits of the pre-war period 1910-1914 were $137,480,000. Then along came the war. The average yearly profits for this group skyrocketed to $408,300,000.

A little increase in profits of approximately 200 per cent.

Does war pay? It paid them. But they aren't the only ones. There are still others. Let's take leather.

For the three-year period before the war the total profits of Central Leather Company were $3,500,000. That was approximately $1,167,000 a year. Well, in 1916 Central Leather returned a profit of $15,000,000, a small increase of 1,100 per cent. That's all. The General Chemical Company averaged a profit for the three years before the war of a little over $800,000 a year. Came the war, and the profits jumped to $12,000,000. a leap of 1,400 per cent.

International Nickel Company -- and you can't have a war without nickel -- showed an increase in profits from a mere average of $4,000,000 a year to $73,000,000 yearly. Not bad? An increase of more than 1,700 per cent.

American Sugar Refining Company averaged $2,000,000 a year for the three years before the war. In 1916 a profit of $6,000,000 was recorded.

Listen to Senate Document No. 259. The Sixty-Fifth Congress, reporting on corporate earnings and government revenues. Considering the profits of 122 meat packers, 153 cotton manufacturers, 299 garment makers, 49 steel plants, and 340 coal producers during the war. Profits under 25 per cent were exceptional. For instance the coal companies made between 100 per cent and 7,856 per cent on their capital stock during the war. The Chicago packers doubled and tripled their earnings.

And let us not forget the bankers who financed the great war. If anyone had the cream of the profits it was the bankers. Being partnerships rather than incorporated organizations, they do not have to report to stockholders. And their profits were as secret as they were immense. How the bankers made their millions and their billions I do not know, because those little secrets never become public -- even before a Senate investigatory body.

But here's how some of the other patriotic industrialists and speculators chiseled their way into war profits.

Take the shoe people. They like war. It brings business with abnormal profits. They made huge profits on sales abroad to our allies. Perhaps, like the munitions manufacturers and armament makers, they also sold to the enemy. For a dollar is a dollar whether it comes from Germany or from France. But they did well by Uncle Sam too. For instance, they sold Uncle Sam 35,000,000 pairs of hobnailed service shoes. There were 4,000,000 soldiers. Eight pairs, and more, to a soldier. My regiment during the war had only one pair to a soldier. Some of these shoes probably are still in existence. They were good shoes. But when the war was over Uncle Sam has a matter of 25,000,000 pairs left over. Bought -- and paid for. Profits recorded and pocketed.

There was still lots of leather left. So the leather people sold your Uncle Sam hundreds of thousands of McClellan saddles for the cavalry. But there wasn't any American cavalry overseas! Somebody had to get rid of this leather, however. Somebody had to make a profit in it -- so we had a lot of McClellan saddles. And we probably have those yet.

Also somebody had a lot of mosquito netting. They sold your Uncle Sam 20,000,000 mosquito nets for the use of the soldiers overseas. I suppose the boys were expected to put it over them as they tried to sleep in muddy trenches -- one hand scratching cooties on their backs and the other making passes at scurrying rats. Well, not one of these mosquito nets ever got to France!

Anyhow, these thoughtful manufacturers wanted to make sure that no soldier would be without his mosquito net, so 40,000,000 additional yards of mosquito netting were sold to Uncle Sam.

There were pretty good profits in mosquito netting in those days, even if there were no mosquitoes in France. I suppose, if the war had lasted just a little longer, the enterprising mosquito netting manufacturers would have sold your Uncle Sam a couple of consignments of mosquitoes to plant in France so that more mosquito netting would be in order.

Airplane and engine manufacturers felt they, too, should get their just profits out of this war. Why not? Everybody else was getting theirs. So $1,000,000,000 -- count them if you live long enough -- was spent by Uncle Sam in building airplane engines that never left the ground! Not one plane, or motor, out of the billion dollars worth ordered, ever got into a battle in France. Just the same the manufacturers made their little profit of 30, 100, or perhaps 300 per cent.

Undershirts for soldiers cost 14¢ [cents] to make and uncle Sam paid 30¢ to 40¢ each for them -- a nice little profit for the undershirt manufacturer. And the stocking manufacturer and the uniform manufacturers and the cap manufacturers and the steel helmet manufacturers -- all got theirs.

Why, when the war was over some 4,000,000 sets of equipment -- knapsacks and the things that go to fill them -- crammed warehouses on this side. Now they are being scrapped because the regulations have changed the contents. But the manufacturers collected their wartime profits on them -- and they will do it all over again the next time.

There were lots of brilliant ideas for profit making during the war.

One very versatile patriot sold Uncle Sam twelve dozen 48-inch wrenches. Oh, they were very nice wrenches. The only trouble was that there was only one nut ever made that was large enough for these wrenches. That is the one that holds the turbines at Niagara Falls. Well, after Uncle Sam had bought them and the manufacturer had pocketed the profit, the wrenches were put on freight cars and shunted all around the United States in an effort to find a use for them. When the Armistice was signed it was indeed a sad blow to the wrench manufacturer. He was just about to make some nuts to fit the wrenches. Then he planned to sell these, too, to your Uncle Sam.

Still another had the brilliant idea that colonels shouldn't ride in automobiles, nor should they even ride on horseback. One has probably seen a picture of Andy Jackson riding in a buckboard. Well, some 6,000 buckboards were sold to Uncle Sam for the use of colonels! Not one of them was used. But the buckboard manufacturer got his war profit.

The shipbuilders felt they should come in on some of it, too. They built a lot of ships that made a lot of profit. More than $3,000,000,000 worth. Some of the ships were all right. But $635,000,000 worth of them were made of wood and wouldn't float! The seams opened up -- and they sank. We paid for them, though. And somebody pocketed the profits.

It has been estimated by statisticians and economists and researchers that the war cost your Uncle Sam $52,000,000,000. Of this sum, $39,000,000,000 was expended in the actual war itself. This expenditure yielded $16,000,000,000 in profits. That is how the 21,000 billionaires and millionaires got that way. This $16,000,000,000 profits is not to be sneezed at. It is quite a tidy sum. And it went to a very few.

The Senate (Nye) committee probe of the munitions industry and its wartime profits, despite its sensational disclosures, hardly has scratched the surface.

Even so, it has had some effect. The State Department has been studying "for some time" methods of keeping out of war. The War Department suddenly decides it has a wonderful plan to spring. The Administration names a committee -- with the War and Navy Departments ably represented under the chairmanship of a Wall Street speculator -- to limit profits in war time. To what extent isn't suggested. Hmmm. Possibly the profits of 300 and 600 and 1,600 per cent of those who turned blood into gold in the World War would be limited to some smaller figure.

Apparently, however, the plan does not call for any limitation of losses -- that is, the losses of those who fight the war. As far as I have been able to ascertain there is nothing in the scheme to limit a soldier to the loss of but one eye, or one arm, or to limit his wounds to one or two or three. Or to limit the loss of life.

There is nothing in this scheme, apparently, that says not more than 12 per cent of a regiment shall be wounded in battle, or that not more than 7 per cent in a division shall be killed.

Of course, the committee cannot be bothered with such trifling matters.

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ghandi wrote:
Lurch wrote:A lot of sweat from being taxed so heavily on these Bull Shit Wars..
I really don't believe in heaven or hell but if there are such places I'm sure the warmongers will be rotting in hell where they belong..

You're saying the wars raised your taxes?
Wow. I had no idea the government singled you out and put a special "war tax" on your earnings.
I didn't get the war tax. Lucky me. And I'm sure I earn more than you do.
53% of my tax dollars go to the MIC.. I'm done tryin to explain it to you.. you can't understand common sense and reasoning.. you've been brainwashed by the military like so many others..Not too many navy squids earn more than offshore workers..

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

Lurch wrote:
ghandi wrote:
Lurch wrote:A lot of sweat from being taxed so heavily on these Bull Shit Wars..
I really don't believe in heaven or hell but if there are such places I'm sure the warmongers will be rotting in hell where they belong..

You're saying the wars raised your taxes?
Wow. I had no idea the government singled you out and put a special "war tax" on your earnings.
I didn't get the war tax. Lucky me. And I'm sure I earn more than you do.
53% of my tax dollars go to the MIC.. I'm done tryin to explain it to you.. you can't understand common sense and reasoning.. you've been brainwashed by the military like so many others..Not too many navy squids earn more than offshore workers..

53% huh. Does obamas salary come from tat 53%? Does the National guard pay that assists in disasters like hurricanes come from that 53%?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Always Obama again.
If everything always has to come down to obama, ghandi, then I'll join your congregation. Cut his salary. Limit his Air Force One travel. Limit all his unbelievable perks which rival that of the British queen. Take away his gargantuan pension and perks for the rest of his life in retirement. Do all of that. You'll get no argument from me.

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

And the tax payer funded vacations that his family gets.
Your tax money. Even his dog eats your tax dollars.

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US Tax Dollars at War: More Than 53% of US Tax Payment Goes to the Military








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By Dave Lindorff | thiscantbehappening.net





If you’re like me, now that we’re in the week that federal income taxes are due, you are finally starting to collect your records and prepare for the ordeal. Either way, whether you are a procrastinator like me, or have already finished and know how much you have paid to the government, it is a good time to stop and consider how much of your money goes to pay for our bloated and largely useless and pointless military.

The budget for the 2011 fiscal year, which has to be voted by Congress by this Oct. 1, looks to be about $3 trillion, not counting the funds collected for Social Security (since the Vietnam War, the government has included the Social Security Trust Fund in the budget as a way to make the cost of America’s imperial military adventures seem smaller in comparison to the total cost of government). Meanwhile, the military share of the budget works out to about $1.6 trillion.

That figure includes the Pentagon budget request of $717 billion, plus an estimated $200 billion in supplemental funding (called “overseas contingency funding” in euphemistic White House-speak), to fund the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, some $40 billion or more in “black box” intelligence agency funding, $94 billion in non-DOD military spending (that would include stuff like military activies funded through NASA, military spending by the State Department, etc., miilitary-related activities within the Dept. of Homeland Security, etc.), $123 billion in veterans benefits and health care spending, and $400 billion in interest on debt raised to pay for prior wars and the standing military during peacetime (whatever that is!).

The 2011 military budget, by the way, is the largest in history, not just in actual dollars, but in inflation-adjusted dollars, exceeding even the spending in World War II, when the nation was on an all-out war footing.

This military spending in all its myriad forms works out to represent 53% of total US federal spending.

It’s also a military budget that is rising at a faster pace than any other part of the budget (with the possible exception of bailing out crooked Wall Street financial firms and their managers). For the past decade, and continuing under the present administration, military budgets have been rising at a 9% annual clip, making health care inflation look tiny by comparison.

US military spending isn’t just half of the US budget, though. It is also half of the entire global spending on war and weaponry. In 2009, according to the venerable War Resisters League, US military spending accounted for 47% of all money spent globally on war, weapons and military preparedness (it´s probably closer to 50% now). What makes that staggering figure particularly ridiculous is that America’s allies--countries like France, Britain, Germany, Italy, and Japan--account for another 21% of the world’s military spending. Fully 12 of the top-spenders among big military-spending nations are either allies of the US, or are friendly or completely non-threatening countries like Brazil and India. That is to say, America and its friends and allies account for more than two-thirds of all military spending worldwide.

China, in contrast, probably the closest thing to a real “threat” to American interests because of America’s treaty commitments to the island nation of Taiwan, and China’s counter claim that the island is a part of the PRC, spends only some $130 billion on its military, much of which is actually devoted to maintaining military control over the country’s own 1.3 billion people, some of whom might prefer to be independent, or to be freer, if they weren´t under the military jack-boot.

The next biggest military spender, Russia, spends less than $80 billion a year on its decrepit military--about one-twentieth of what the US spends--and isn’t even technically an enemy of the America anymore. Its military is largely busy keeping restive regions from spinning off from the mother country, anyhow.

Meanwhile Iran, which the White House and Congress are portraying as America’s arch enemy, despite its not having invaded another country in hundreds of years, isn’t even on the list of the top 17 military big-spenders. Iran’s current military budget is a teensy $4.8 billion (no surprise since its economy is about equal to Finland´s), about the same as the estimated $5 billion spent on the military by North Korea--America’s other “major enemy.” Each of those country’s military budgets is about one-quarter of the military budget of Australia. Combined, they add up to about two thirds of the military budget of the Netherlands.

Just to give one an idea of how small $4.8 billion is in comparison to the $1.6 trillion that the US is spending each year on war and planning for war, that number is roughly what the Pentagon plans to spend over the next year on childcare and youth programs, morale and recreation programs and commissaries on its bases! It’s about what the Pentagon will spend acquiring replacement Seahawk, Chinook and Blackhawk helicopters this year.

For the average American, what all this means is that of every dollar you send to the IRS, 53 cents will be going to pay for blowing stuff up, fattening the wallets of colonels admirals and generals, bloating the portfolios of investors in military industries, and of course funding the bonuses paid to executives of those companies, and the campaign chests and private expense accounts of the members of Congress who vote for these outlandish budgets. Your money will also be going to pay for the salaries and the bullets of those brave heroes over in Afghanistan who are executing kids, killing pregnant women (and then digging out the bullets and claiming they were stabbed by their families), and for the anti-personnel weapons that are creating legions of legless Afghani kids.

Next time you hear that the government needs to cut funds for providing medical care to the children of laid-off workers, or that supplemental unemployment funds are running out, next time you hear that federal funds that are needed to fund extra teachers at your school are being cut, or that Social Security benefits need to be cut back, or the retirement age needs to be increased to 70, next time you hear that your local post office has to be shut down for lack of funds, next time you hear that Medicare benefits need to be reduced, think about that 53% of your tax payment that is going to finance the most enormous war machine the world has ever known.

And ask yourself: Is this really necessary? Is this really where I want my money going? Is this really even making me safer or my country stronger?

Source: thiscantbehappening.net



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Lurch wrote:
ghandi wrote:
Lurch wrote:A lot of sweat from being taxed so heavily on these Bull Shit Wars..
I really don't believe in heaven or hell but if there are such places I'm sure the warmongers will be rotting in hell where they belong..

You're saying the wars raised your taxes?
Wow. I had no idea the government singled you out and put a special "war tax" on your earnings.
I didn't get the war tax. Lucky me. And I'm sure I earn more than you do.
53% of my tax dollars go to the MIC.. I'm done tryin to explain it to you.. you can't understand common sense and reasoning.. you've been brainwashed by the military like so many others..Not too many navy squids earn more than offshore workers..

So what if 53% if your tax dollars go to the MIC? Would you rather give it to the slumbum down the street laying on her back poking out kids as fast as she can get to earn more food stamps and a better rent free house?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

ghandi wrote:And the tax payer funded vacations that his family gets.
Your tax money. Even his dog eats your tax dollars.

True. But you're missing the forest for the trees. Actually you're missing the forest because you're only able to see one tree.

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Lurch wrote:
ghandi wrote:
Lurch wrote:A lot of sweat from being taxed so heavily on these Bull Shit Wars..
I really don't believe in heaven or hell but if there are such places I'm sure the warmongers will be rotting in hell where they belong..

You're saying the wars raised your taxes?
Wow. I had no idea the government singled you out and put a special "war tax" on your earnings.
I didn't get the war tax. Lucky me. And I'm sure I earn more than you do.
53% of my tax dollars go to the MIC.. I'm done tryin to explain it to you.. you can't understand common sense and reasoning.. you've been brainwashed by the military like so many others..Not too many navy squids earn more than offshore workers..

So what if 53% if your tax dollars go to the MIC? Would you rather give it to the slumbum down the street laying on her back poking out kids as fast as she can get to earn more food stamps and a better rent free house?
I'm against welfare too.. Why is it that you don't have a problem giving welfare to other countries but when they're in the US it's not a good idea?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

PACEDOG#1 wrote: Would you rather give it to the slumbum down the street laying on her back poking out kids as fast as she can get to earn more food stamps and a better rent free house?
I'd rather not give government welfare payments to the either welfare bum, the low-life or the fat cat.
Why do I have to choose between the two.

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Lurch wrote:A lot of sweat from being taxed so heavily on these Bull Shit Wars..
I guess I did shed a few tears at some Military Funerals I went to also..
I really don't believe in heaven or hell but if there are such places I'm sure the warmongers will be rotting in hell where they belong..

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