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Finally, the Bush and Cheney loving Fox News Channel shines the spotlight on the redacted 28 pages.

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Joanimaroni
Wordslinger
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Hospital Bob
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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

The ones that revealed it was not the Iraqi government which aided the 9/11 attackers.  It was our "ally" Saudi Arabia.
Watch the repeat of Megyn Kelly's program later tonight.

boards of FL

boards of FL

Imagine for a second if Obama were coincidentally involved in a private equity partnership with the bin Laden family - before 9/11.  Imagine for second if the worst terrorist attack in US history occurred during the Obama administration while Obama was a partner with the bin Laden family in a private equity venture.  Then imagine if Obama provided assistance to the bin Laden relatives in a safe exit from the US in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.  And then imagine if the bin Laden family quickly liquidized their holdings in said private equity venture in the name of optics.  And then imagine if Obama decided not to pursue bin Laden and instead invade Iraq - thus enriching the very private equity firm that the bin Ladens divested themselves from.

And yet that is the reality of the Bush administration.  But just imagine the outcry if it were Obama!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Carlyle_Group

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/26/business/bin-laden-family-liquidates-holdings-with-carlyle-group.html

These are objective facts in broad daylight.  The village idiot PkrBums find conspiracy - that they can't manage to coherently put into words - in things like the global scientific consensus on climate science.  But the Carlyle Group?  No.  There is nothing to that.


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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

In the interview tonight,  bds,  Bob Graham was asked "why would the American government want to cover this up for the Saudis?"

His response was this.  That obviously the Bush administration covered it up because of three generations of Bush family ties to the Saudis.
BUT,  to Graham (and to me and I imagine many others),  it's inexplicable why the Obama administration would continue with the coverup.

2seaoat



The worse part is the same Neocons want to gin up profits for the same folks who made this happen the first time.......four people die in a CIA operation, and 1000 times more of our children died in Iraq.....and silence on the corruption of the same behind the scenes folks who are spewing the Benghazi propaganda......shameful.

Guest


Guest

Open it all up... leave no stone unturned... haul em before congress and a grand jury... prosecute if able. I don't give a god damn who it is or what party they belong to. I want transparency and accountability from our govt. No exception... period.

See how that works? No... I didn't think so.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

This thread reinforces something I've been saying in this forum for years -- the Saudis financed and directed the 9-11 tragedy, our government knows it, yet the ties between our leaders -- Bush and Obama -- and the Saudi leaders, because of our alleged need for their oil -- continue to dominate our relationship.

Like everything else at the bottom of American history, if you want the truth, follow the money.

The Saudis push the Wahhabi form of Islamist crapola, setting up nests of anti-western and anti-Israeli centers wherever they can.
They have financed anti-western terrorism, for years. They are our sworn enemies, yet our leaders continue to kiss their asses ...

Why? As Trump likes to snarl: the system is rigged, fixed, dirty and disgusting.

And Hillary, former Secretary of State, is one of our staunchest supporters of continuing to treat the Saudi leaders as among if not the closest friend (other than Israel) that we have in the Mideast.

The American electoral battle now taking place is open political war between the forces for dramatic change -- Trump and Sanders -- and those who support the "establishment" that has formed and furthered the dysfunctional, "fixed, dirty and disgusting" country we have become. Think about it -- both the Trump and Sanders supporters share an enormous hatred for the establishment that has murdered the American Dream and has sucked hope from their futures.

That's why neither Hillary nor Kasich can win. They're both establishment, 100%.

If you think the political war here centers on republicans vs. democrats, you're tragically out of touch with reality.

What's going on my friends, is a war between the wealthy, greedy tyrants who have run the show for 240 years -- and the masses of the American people who are leaning out their windows and yelling "...and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

Add Trump's supporters to Bernies' -- and it becomes obvious the establishment is doomed.

This isn't just another presidential electoral campaign. No. It's a new revolution.

Let the games begin!




Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Wordslinger wrote:This thread reinforces something I've been saying in this forum for years -- the Saudis financed and directed the 9-11 tragedy, our government knows it, yet the ties between our leaders -- Bush and Obama -- and the Saudi leaders, because of our alleged need for their oil -- continue to dominate our relationship.  

Like everything else at the bottom of American history, if you want the truth, follow the money.  

The Saudis push the Wahhabi form of Islamist crapola, setting up nests of anti-western and anti-Israeli centers wherever they can.  
They have financed anti-western terrorism, for years.  They are our sworn enemies, yet our leaders continue to kiss their asses ...

Why?  As Trump likes to snarl: the system is rigged, fixed, dirty and disgusting.

And Hillary, former Secretary of State, is one of our staunchest supporters of continuing to treat the Saudi leaders as among if not the closest friend (other than Israel) that we have in the Mideast.  

The American electoral battle now taking place is open political war between the forces for dramatic change -- Trump and Sanders -- and those who support the "establishment" that has formed and furthered the dysfunctional, "fixed, dirty and disgusting" country we have become.   Think about it -- both the Trump and Sanders supporters share an enormous hatred for the establishment that has murdered the American Dream and has sucked hope from their futures.    

That's why neither Hillary nor Kasich can win.  They're both establishment, 100%.  

If you think the political war here centers on republicans vs. democrats, you're tragically out of touch with reality.

What's going on my friends, is a war between the wealthy, greedy tyrants who have run the show for 240 years -- and the masses of the American people who are leaning out their windows and yelling "...and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

Add Trump's supporters to Bernies'  -- and it becomes obvious the establishment is doomed.

This isn't just another presidential electoral campaign.  No. It's a new revolution.  

Let the games begin!





cheers

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Wordslinger wrote:

Add Trump's supporters to Bernies'  -- and it becomes obvious the establishment is doomed.


Hillary is the candidate of choice for "the establishment".  And if Trump becomes the nominee,  that will include the Republican "establishment" as well.
So I wouldn't count "the establishment" out yet until we see the outcome of the election.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

For anyone who is not familiar with the subject of this thread,  this will get you up to speed on it...

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/28-pages-rising-in-the-east-switching-teams/

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

For more on the Saudis and their evil ways:
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=767&Itemid=74&jumival=11120

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM



Teo brought my attention to this series in 2010. When you speak of "The Establishment" you are primarily talking about the mega-banking establishment that buys our leaders and politicians.

The author of this series explains how it all came about, and how tight its tentacles are tied around us.

http://www.best-electric-barbecue-grills.com

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Wordslinger wrote:This thread reinforces something I've been saying in this forum for years -- the Saudis financed and directed the 9-11 tragedy, our government knows it, yet the ties between our leaders -- Bush and Obama -- and the Saudi leaders, because of our alleged need for their oil -- continue to dominate our relationship.  

Like everything else at the bottom of American history, if you want the truth, follow the money.  

The Saudis push the Wahhabi form of Islamist crapola, setting up nests of anti-western and anti-Israeli centers wherever they can.  
They have financed anti-western terrorism, for years.  They are our sworn enemies, yet our leaders continue to kiss their asses ...

Why?  As Trump likes to snarl: the system is rigged, fixed, dirty and disgusting.

And Hillary, former Secretary of State, is one of our staunchest supporters of continuing to treat the Saudi leaders as among if not the closest friend (other than Israel) that we have in the Mideast.  

The American electoral battle now taking place is open political war between the forces for dramatic change -- Trump and Sanders -- and those who support the "establishment" that has formed and furthered the dysfunctional, "fixed, dirty and disgusting" country we have become.   Think about it -- both the Trump and Sanders supporters share an enormous hatred for the establishment that has murdered the American Dream and has sucked hope from their futures.    

That's why neither Hillary nor Kasich can win.  They're both establishment, 100%.  

If you think the political war here centers on republicans vs. democrats, you're tragically out of touch with reality.

What's going on my friends, is a war between the wealthy, greedy tyrants who have run the show for 240 years -- and the masses of the American people who are leaning out their windows and yelling "...and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

Add Trump's supporters to Bernies'  -- and it becomes obvious the establishment is doomed.

This isn't just another presidential electoral campaign.  No. It's a new revolution.  

Let the games begin!





This could be right, both Sanders and Trump are campaigning against the establishment meaning, to liberals, the 1%, the war profiteers and global corporations who don't care which country their profits come from. However, Trump is not tapping in to the exact same group of angry voters. Some of his followers are upset about the changing demographics of the country, not so many white people any more. White males having to give ground in employment to people of color and women. This is not the 1950's and they are fighting the inevitable.

I am wondering if the Trump followers are astute enough to realize that their anti-establishment candidate bears any resemblance to a democratic socialist though. They might be stuck on dreaming about the stupid wall idea and miss the bigger picture. If Bernie were to get the nomination and Trump fall short, would his followers (Trump's) be smart enough to go with the flow and switch to Bernie?

On the other hand, Trump is a businessman motivated by profits. I once heard him say he thought wages were too high. Is he really anti-establishment or is he just tapping in to the general anger?

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Joani, seriously, I am very interested in why you liked Wordslinger's post here. Are you a Trump supporter? Do you see Trump and Sanders as having a cross-over appeal to anti-establishment voters? I'd like to know your thinking on this.

Guest


Guest

I don't think either would stand a chance as a third party candidate. But can you imagine if they formed a co-president ticket promising to work together? Maybe delegating certain things to each. Bernie social programs... Trump trade deals... etc. I think they would actually stand a chance. That would rattle the establishments cage... lol.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

PkrBum wrote:I don't think either would stand a chance as a third party candidate. But can you imagine if they formed a co-president ticket promising to work together? Maybe delegating certain things to each. Bernie social programs... Trump trade deals... etc. I think they would actually stand a chance. That would rattle the establishments cage... lol.

What a delicious thought. It would really blow things out of the water. Trump seems like someone who would have difficulty being a team player though and I'm not sure he's very up on income/wealth disparities. Also,the more I think of it he and Bernie would disagree over the wall thing too. I think they are both not in favor of trade agreements but for different reasons?

Still, I would just like to see it all hit the fan and in a primary season like this where totally unpredictable things have already happened, who's to say?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I agree,  othershoe,  what Pkr suggested would be a humdinger of a ticket.
That would make this crazy election cycle go from crazy to surreal.  lol

But everyone remember that "the establishment" is still pretty much in control of Congress.  And most of this stuff both Sanders and Trump are proposing will have to get by the establishment Congress.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


The idea that a Sanders voter could cross over to Trump is ridiculous. I agree it's an interesting thought if you're into bread and circuses and can't wait for the show.

Sal

Sal

Floridatexan wrote:
The idea that a Sanders voter could cross over to Trump is ridiculous.  I agree it's an interesting thought if you're into bread and circuses and can't wait for the show.  

You don't know with whom you're associating.

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