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UPDATE 8/18/2015 State Dept. uncovers nearly 18,000 missing emails; List of Clinton’s emails flagged for classified data EXPLODES TO OVER 300!!

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Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:There are two required things a prosecutor must prove......was the person authorized to receive the documents and did they have the intent to pass those documents to a third party who was unauthorized.  Sorry, Powell or Clinton committed no crime having a personal server where email was sent to them where they did not meet the required prima facia case.   Simpletons....at this point that is all I can say....simpletons.  I still waiting for both of you to show us how President Obama was not a citizen.....bone chilling stupid.

Good luck with that!

Cute, your effort to distract from the subject...AGAIN. Col. Powell has nothing whatsoever to do with Hillary Clinton. He is not running for anything.

Hillary Clinton had a personal server, containing top secret information, about which she has lied and destroyed evidence.

More childish efforts to distract with semi-retired President Obama's citizenship. No one questions Hillary Clinton's citizenship.

Try staying on topic.

Hillary Clinton is a criminal. Would you wager that we could get ALL of Hillary Clinton's emails, before she picked which to delete, from the Chinese. We simply have to offer enough money. EVERYTHING is for sale.

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

2seaoat wrote:There are two required things a prosecutor must prove......was the person authorized to receive the documents and did they have the intent to pass those documents to a third party who was unauthorized.  Sorry, Powell or Clinton committed no crime having a personal server where email was sent to them where they did not meet the required prima facia case.   Simpletons....at this point that is all I can say....simpletons.  I still waiting for both of you to show us how President Obama was not a citizen.....bone chilling stupid.

You're full of it 'seaoat'  

Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

18 USC 1924 ... no intention required, just "knowingly" .... this includes electronic communications   ....  look it up.

How could she not know drone & satellite intelligence was classified? (unless she was just incompetent, in which case she shouldn't have been SOS, much less POTUS)

Guest


Guest

Somebody removed the classification headers... at somebodies command.

Somebody ordered staffers to go through the emails (what clearance did they have?).

Somebody authorized the server transport and transfer to a third party it company and then it's destruction.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I thought this thread was supposed to be about the Clinton email scandal.

This scandal is all much ado about nothing and is a right-wing conspiracy to take down the Clintons like all the other Clinton scandals. Just ask the Clintons.

2seaoat



18 USC 1924 ... no intention required, just "knowingly" .... this includes electronic communications   ....  look it up.

How could she not know drone & satellite intelligence was classified? (unless she was just incompetent, in which case she shouldn't have been SOS, much less POTUS)


So you claim to be ex Leo......and do not think intent and knowingly are the not same.......are you claiming that SOS was unauthorized.  You cannot make this up......stupid people lining up to get their communion of idiocy, until the BS runs out and they move on to another nonsense story.  Hillary Clinton is not in violation of the law because she was both authorized to receive the material and never intended to pass the same to unauthorized persons........As soon as the brain trust can make her receiving emails from state as SOS unauthorized then you might not look like little boys trying to play in the big leagues.....mind numbing stupid......Hillary Clinton never broke the law...duh.  I listened to this for two years on the President's birth certificate and it was too funny that the same people are not lining up to project some law being broken with the same certainty that the President was not Born in Hawaii.   Double Duh.

Sal

Sal

Again ...

... the auditor is making a determination as to what, in these emails, is OK to release to the public to comply with the FOI request.

THIS HAS NO BEARING on how the original emails were handled with respect to regulations for handling secret information.

If you have adequate reading comprehension skills, this will come as no surprise.


Guest


Guest

The fbi is investigating as well as two independent intelligence inspector generals. But you knew that deep down.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/us/fbi-tracking-path-of-email-to-hillary-clinton-at-state-department.html

WASHINGTON —F.B.I. agents investigating Hillary Rodham Clinton’s private email server are seeking to determine who at the State Department passed highly classified information from secure networks to Mrs. Clinton’s personal account,according to law enforcement and diplomatic officials and others briefed on the investigation.

To track how the information flowed,agents will try to gain access to the email accounts of many State Department officials who worked there while Mrs. Clinton was secretary of state,the officials said. State Department employees apparently circulated the emails on unclassified systems in 2009 and 2011,and some were ultimately forwarded to Mrs. Clinton.

Sal

Sal

PkrBum wrote:The fbi is investigating as well as two independent intelligence inspector generals. But you knew that deep down.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/us/fbi-tracking-path-of-email-to-hillary-clinton-at-state-department.html

WASHINGTON —F.B.I. agents investigating Hillary Rodham Clinton’s private email server are seeking to determine who at the State Department passed highly classified information from secure networks to Mrs. Clinton’s personal account,according to law enforcement and diplomatic officials and others briefed on the investigation.

To track how the information flowed,agents will try to gain access to the email accounts of many State Department officials who worked there while Mrs. Clinton was secretary of state,the officials said. State Department employees apparently circulated the emails on unclassified systems in 2009 and 2011,and some were ultimately forwarded to Mrs. Clinton.

Damn ....

.... you were so close.

Shoulda kept reading.

From your link, directly following your c&p ....


They were not marked as classified, the State Department has said, and it is unclear whether its employees knew the origin of the information.

The F.B.I. is also trying to determine whether foreign powers, especially China or Russia, gained access to Mrs. Clinton’s private server, although at this point, any security breaches are speculation.

Law enforcement officials have said that Mrs. Clinton, who is seeking the 2016 Democratic nomination for president, is not a target of the investigation, and she has said there is no evidence that her account was hacked. There has also been no evidence that she broke the law, and many specialists believe the occasional appearance of classified information in her account was probably of marginal consequence.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/us/fbi-tracking-path-of-email-to-hillary-clinton-at-state-department.html?_r=0

Sal

Sal

There's still no fire, but the BS artists are blowing a hell of a lot of smoke.

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

2seaoat wrote:18 USC 1924 ... no intention required, just "knowingly" .... this includes electronic communications   ....  look it up.

How could she not know drone & satellite intelligence was classified? (unless she was just incompetent, in which case she shouldn't have been SOS, much less POTUS)


So you claim to be ex Leo......and do not think intent and knowingly are the not same.......  

Ah, Ah, Ah!   Now you're twisting & turning, going through all kinds of gyrations, with all this made-up "intent" BS.

T'was you said their had to be "intent" to pass the classified information to a third party.   Not true.   Read the freaking statute.   The only "intent" mentioned in the statute is that she intended to retain the information at an unauthorized location (i.e. ... she did not transmit or bring the information home via accident/oversight or accidentally push a key on her government computer that accidentally transmitted to her home computer or private e-mail account.)   Her private home computer was not an authorized location.

And sorry to inform you .... but "intent" and "knowing" are not the same thing.  

Per the statute all she had to do is know the information was classified, and to have intentionally stored it in an unauthorized location (her private, home, improperly secured, non-government computer.)  

There doesn't have to have been any "intent" to pass it to a third party, as you allege, for to be in violation of the statute.

18 USC 1924
Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material


(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c) In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

I have handled classified materials. All government employees (including military) who handle classified materials receive training in this and are informed there can be criminal consequences. Even the lowest level civil service secretary or private who handles classified materials knows you can't take it home, or store/transmit it on, or to, unauthorized computer.

Markle

Markle

State Dept. uncovers nearly 18,000 missing emails sought from ex-Clinton spokesman

Examiner

By Sarah Westwood
·Published August 17, 2015

State Department officials have uncovered 17,855 emails sent between a former Hillary Clinton spokesman and reporters that the agency long claimed did not exist.

The trove was among more than 80,000 emails belonging to Philippe Reines, a Clinton aide, that were discovered on his State Department account, officials said in court filings Aug. 13.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/17/state-dept-uncovers-17000-missing-emails/?intcmp=hpbt1

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