http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/06/us/chicago-violent-weekend/
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PkrBum wrote:If you just pull four cities out of the statistical mix (chicago, detroit, dc, no) the us is one of the least violent countries.
There are concentrations of violence and violent crime demographics that are easily identifiable if not for pc.
But of course... the progressive govt solutionists wish to dictate edicts and strip rights for the entire population.
TEOTWAWKI wrote:If only Chicago had tougher gun laws and was more progressive.
Sal wrote:Ahhh ...
... our random glibertarian internet guy advocates the forfeiture of all civil liberties to a militarized police force for all who have the misfortune of living in areas plagued by crime, and simultaneously in another thread bemoans a fantastical connection between progressives, bigotry and racism.
As fine an example of glibertarian intellectualism as you'll find.
PkrBum wrote:Sal wrote:Ahhh ...
... our random glibertarian internet guy advocates the forfeiture of all civil liberties to a militarized police force for all who have the misfortune of living in areas plagued by crime, and simultaneously in another thread bemoans a fantastical connection between progressives, bigotry and racism.
As fine an example of glibertarian intellectualism as you'll find.
I'm not proposing that solution... but it would be a solution. I'd cut off all assistance including police. The refugees that are truly in need of assistance can seek help and refuge. The criminals and freeloaders can enjoy their utopia.
Sal wrote:PkrBum wrote:Sal wrote:Ahhh ...
... our random glibertarian internet guy advocates the forfeiture of all civil liberties to a militarized police force for all who have the misfortune of living in areas plagued by crime, and simultaneously in another thread bemoans a fantastical connection between progressives, bigotry and racism.
As fine an example of glibertarian intellectualism as you'll find.
I'm not proposing that solution... but it would be a solution. I'd cut off all assistance including police. The refugees that are truly in need of assistance can seek help and refuge. The criminals and freeloaders can enjoy their utopia.
Ahhh ...
... you just wrote that, you didn't propose it ...
... instead you propose cutting off all assistance including law enforcement to areas plagued by poverty, making the innocent victims refugees from their own neighborhoods, and ceding those areas to zones of lawlessness.
What could go wrong?
We are clearly seeing a truly great libertarian mind at work here.
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PkrBum wrote:
This is from my response to a solution " If you really want to reduce violent crime"... the counter argument to govt solutions placing restrictions and prohibitions on innocent law abiding citizens. Difficult to follow I'm sure... but it makes practical sense.
Like all glibertarian proposals, they sound good to dunderheads until the practical implications are illustrated.
As for the lawless zone... that's pretty much what we have now... plenty goes wrong. Look at what's happening in baltimore now that the police have pulled back. The problem has causes... do you want to fix them or not? Cmon step up.
Sal wrote:PkrBum wrote:
This is from my response to a solution " If you really want to reduce violent crime"... the counter argument to govt solutions placing restrictions and prohibitions on innocent law abiding citizens. Difficult to follow I'm sure... but it makes practical sense.
Like all glibertarian proposals, they sound good to dunderheads until the practical implications are illustrated.
As for the lawless zone... that's pretty much what we have now... plenty goes wrong. Look at what's happening in baltimore now that the police have pulled back. The problem has causes... do you want to fix them or not? Cmon step up.
End the War on Drugs.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
TEOTWAWKI wrote:So The "progressive" seaoat want's to return to the 50s....good idea...
2SEAOAT said, "It would be great if every child could have an assistant, which allowed inclusion because these children do have significantly better chances as an adult being included with the general student population. But when teachers are dealing with so many students with special needs the sad truth is that the majority of students are suffering from inclusion as disruptions and finite teacher time cause the hours of instruction for the remainder of students to drop. In the last 40 years teaching has become very challenging as basic reading and math skills continue to slip and a noble experiment further damages our education system. I do not have any answers, but do have a conclusion. What we did in the 50s worked. What we are doing today is becoming increasingly less effective, and inclusion unfortunately is part of the problem."
What we did in the 50's was that single people were not encouraged to have children. In fact, it was strongly discouraged. People were encouraged to marry, not discouraged. Families disciplined their children as did the schools. If you misbehaved in school, it was not tolerated.
Family units were much stronger, especially among minorities than today.
Again, PROGRESSIVES plans and methods fail miserably and all they have to say about their failure is WE JUST NEED MORE MONEY.
http://archive.pnj.com/article/20120429/NEWS01/304290018/Community-Conversation-Changing-special-education
2seaoat wrote:End the war on drugs........
2seaoat wrote:The violence fell off the shelf after prohibition. However, I must agree with Markle on one thing.......Public Unions in Chicago have created unfunded pensions which are approaching 20 billion dollars. Rahm who is a Democrat, barely was able to get reelected because he closed about eighty schools which were underutilized, and the Unions in mass turned on him.f
Since I first got a job at Borg Warner in the Mid seventies and lived in Illinois, the public unions kept getting bigger and bigger contracts. My biggest bitch has been police and fire. Since the Bocca codes, smoke detectors, and sprinkling fire deaths have fallen. However, if you try to close a neighborhood fire station, like the schools, the unions complain. Fire and police in Chicago could be cut in half, and the murder rate, and fire deaths would hardly budge. As a nation we need to address the failed fire systems. As a nation we need to address the massive expansion of the criminal justice system and criminalization of individual use of drugs. I remain a strong Republican on State and local issues because no sane person would support these public unions, but no sane person can support the national Republican party which is a shill for the Oligarchy. What we need is the middle road. Reductions in government employment, and common sense policy at the national level which expands the private sector while shrinking public employee.
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