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What if Dick Cheney, instead of Hillary Clinton, had deleted 30,000 emails, from his personal home server?

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Floridatexan
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Markle

Markle

Are the Democrats as hypocritical as they are all the time?

How about this, what if Dick Cheney, instead of Hillary Clinton, had deleted 30,000 emails, from his personal home server?

I'm certain my Progressive good friends would say that was fine. The server belonged to Dick Cheney and the government had no right to review what was deleted nor to seize the server itself with all its classifed emails and other information.

I'm right, am I not?

No question BoardsofFL, 2seaoat, Sal, Wordslinger are all on board with me!

What if Dick Cheney, instead of Hillary Clinton, had deleted 30,000 emails, from his personal home server? AnimatedLaughterPink

Markle

Markle

Amazing...total silence from my Progressive good friends!

KarlRove

KarlRove

Yep they have double standard al their own

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Dick Cheney should have been jailed for much more than just deleted emails. Along with several other war-mongering members of George W. Bush's team.

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Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Dick Cheney should have been jailed for much more than just deleted emails. Along with several other war-mongering members of George W. Bush's team.

Neigh on to impossible for you to keep on the subject isn't it?

If you recall, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton voted to use force in Iran.

Now back to the scandal at hand. Hillary Clinton, thousands of missing emails and classified, confidential government information stored on a private server in a private home.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Markle wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Dick Cheney should have been jailed for much more than just deleted emails. Along with several other war-mongering members of George W. Bush's team.

Neigh on to impossible for you to keep on the subject isn't it?

If you recall, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton voted to use force in Iran.

Now back to the scandal at hand.  Hillary Clinton, thousands of missing emails and classified, confidential government information stored on a private server in a private home.

Dick would have never even admitted that he had a private server much less emails on it, much less anything deleted.

2seaoat



I would admit that I would be shocked if I knew that Dick could use an email account. They used the telegraph in his youth. I must agree if Dick had removed mattress tags while visiting Blair House......I too would be acting stupid.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan



Oh, look. CHENEY DID DELETE EMAILS.

http://harpers.org/blog/2008/01/the-emails-that-dick-cheney-deleted/

"...Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington has now posted a series of studies to help us zero in on just what’s missing. It will come as no surprise to most that the big offender is the man at the center of the most virulent scandals, and the missing email traffic relates just to those dates in which a federal prosecutor would have the most interest. Vice President Dick Cheney’s office destroyed its emails, in violation of the requirements of the federal records act and potentially criminal law, for the following days:

September 12, 2003: The day on which the headlines in the New York Times read “federal appeals court in Washington yesterday rejected the Bush administration’s effort to avoid releasing documents about Vice President Cheney Energy Task Force.”

October 1, 2003: The day on which the Solicitor General argued to the Supreme Court that Vice President Cheney was entitled to keep all the details concerning his meetings with oil executives and their influence in his formulation of national energy policy confidential, including the names of the participants.

October 2, 2003: The day on which senior Congressional Republicans began a rewrite of key energy legislation behind closed doors and without involvement of Democrats—but potentially with the involvement of Vice President Cheney and oil executives involved in his secret energy task force.

October 3, 2003: The Senate approved a requirement that all future contracts to rebuild Iraq be granted on an open and competitive basis after airing open criticism on the closed and controversial process that resulted in multi-billion dollar noncompetitive contract awards to subsidiaries of Halliburton, the company which Vice President Cheney headed before he assumed office, and from which, under a deferred compensation agreement, he continues to receive more compensation than he receives from the Treasury for his services as vice president.

October 5, 2003: Publication of the findings of a task force studying the development of the Iraqi oil industry and its potential for funding the costs of the occupation of Iraq.

January 29, 2004: David A. Kay, the former chief American weapons inspector in Iraq, called for an independent inquiry into pre-war intelligence about Saddam Hussein’s weapons programs as skepticism about the administration’s claims about Iraqi WMD grows.

January 30, 2004: President Bush opposes an independent investigation of intelligence failures surrounding Saddam Hussein’s alleged weapons of mass destruction stockpiles despite increasing demands for one by some U.S. lawmakers.

January 31, 2004: Press reports focus on building speculation that an independent commission will be created to look into the White House’s basis for claims that Iraq had WMDs, accusations which were consistently led by Vice President Cheney.

February 15, 2005: Citing the threat exemplified by 9/11, President Bush urges Congress to re-authorize the Patriot Act.

February 16, 2005: An appeals court orders that two reporters who have refused to testify about their conversations with confidential sources regarding the leak that exposed the identification of CIA agent Valerie Plame should be held in contempt. It would later be revealed that both had conversations with members of Vice President Cheney’s staff.

May 23, 2005: Calls mount for the resignation of Tom Delay pending the outcome of an investigation into ethical violations. The Congressional and criminal investigation into Jack Abramoff widens to include long-time associate and fellow architect of the Republican takeover of the capital, Grover Norquist. The White House continues to obstruct efforts to identify who Abramoff saw in his hundreds of visits to the White House.

The missing Cheney emails fit a pattern that suggests intentional rather than accidental destruction. They all occur on days on which, considering contemporaneous press reports, the Vice President or his staff members were in the news and would likely have been communicating on the subjects relating to the press coverage. The most persistent themes are the outing of Valerie Plame and Cheney’s secret dealings with a group of oil and gas executives who were directly influencing national energy policy. The Empty Wheel has some excellent analysis of these points..."

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And...what happened to the CIA torture evidence? Right.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/cia-terror-interrogation-tapes-destroyed/

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan


The "mother lode":

http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Floridatexan wrote:Oh, look.  CHENEY DID DELETE EMAILS.  

http://harpers.org/blog/2008/01/the-emails-that-dick-cheney-deleted/

Looks like the joke is on semi-rational poster Markle.

What if Dick Cheney, instead of Hillary Clinton, had deleted 30,000 emails, from his personal home server? HystericallyLaughingmanandboy

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KarlRove

KarlRove

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Dick Cheney should have been jailed for much more than just deleted emails. Along with several other war-mongering members of George W. Bush's team.

Gonna jail all the dems who went along with it too? We killed plenty of Nazis after Nuremberg for playing follow the leader.

VectorMan

VectorMan

The liberals would be screaming for their pound of flesh if any republicans were ever involved in anything like this. The double standards have always been evident within the liberal media. It has just become even more prevalent since Obama took office. Hell, the liberal media is just another branch of Obama's admin. Hillary being the liberal's sweetheart, it must really be dragging their spirits down. And that is how it should be. Hey liberals enjoy the implosion. It's self inflicted and you have worked very hard for it. LOL

Markle

Markle

othershoe1030 wrote:
Markle wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Dick Cheney should have been jailed for much more than just deleted emails. Along with several other war-mongering members of George W. Bush's team.

Neigh on to impossible for you to keep on the subject isn't it?

If you recall, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton voted to use force in Iran.

Now back to the scandal at hand.  Hillary Clinton, thousands of missing emails and classified, confidential government information stored on a private server in a private home.

Dick would have never even admitted that he had a private server much less emails on it, much less anything deleted.

That wasn't the question posed. SHOCK!

Would you have supported him and said it was his server? It is no ones business but his own. That's your position with Hillary Clinton is it not?

boards of FL

boards of FL

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/17/AR2008011703575_pf.html


White House Study Found 473 Days of E-Mail Gone
By Dan Eggen and Elizabeth Williamson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, January 18, 2008

The White House possesses no archived e-mail messages for many of its component offices, including the Executive Office of the President and the Office of the Vice President, for hundreds of days between 2003 and 2005, according to the summary of an internal White House study that was disclosed yesterday by a congressional Democrat.

The 2005 study -- whose credibility the White House attacked this week -- identified 473 separate days in which no electronic messages were stored for one or more White House offices, said House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.).

Waxman said he decided to release the summary after White House spokesman Tony Fratto said yesterday that there is "no evidence" that any White House e-mails from those years are missing. Fratto's assertion "seems to be an unsubstantiated statement that has no relation to the facts they have shared with us," Waxman said.

The competing claims were the latest salvos in an escalating dispute over whether the Bush administration has complied with long-standing statutory requirements to preserve official White House records -- including those reflecting potentially sensitive policy discussions -- for history and in case of any future legal demands.

Waxman said he is seeking testimony on the issue at a hearing next month from White House counsel Fred F. Fielding, National Archivist Allen Weinstein and Alan R. Swendiman, the politically appointed director of the Office of Administration, which produced the 2005 study at issue.

Another official in that office on Tuesday challenged the study's credibility in a court affidavit, contending that current White House employees have been unable to confirm the veracity of the analysis or to recreate its findings. Waxman's disclosure provides the first details about the study's findings.

The White House is required by law to preserve e-mails considered presidential or federal records, and it is the target of several lawsuits seeking information about missing data and efforts to preserve electronic communications.

The internal study found that for Bush's executive office, no e-mails were archived on 12 separate days between December 2003 and February 2004, Waxman said. Vice President Cheney's office showed no electronic messages on 16 occasions from September 2003 to May 2005.

Archived e-mails were missing from even more days in other parts of the White House, the analysis found. The Council on Environmental Quality and the Council of Economic Advisers, for example, showed no stored e-mails for 2 1/2 months beginning in November 2003. The Office of Management and Budget showed no messages for 59 days -- including the period from Nov. 1, 2003, to Dec. 9, 2003 -- and the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative showed no e-mail for 73 days.

The administration has so far refused to release the study and a number of documents related to it, including a large summary chart used in a closed-door briefing conducted for Waxman and other lawmakers last September by Emmet T. Flood, special counsel to the president.

The briefers took the chart with them when they left, Waxman said, but committee staffers had copied many of the details.

Waxman described the findings in a letter to Fielding, which he released. "Mr. Fratto's statements have added to the considerable confusion that exists regarding the status of White House efforts to preserve e-mails," Waxman's letter said.

Two advocacy groups suing the Bush administration over its e-mail policies, Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington (CREW) and the National Security Archive, also said yesterday that the White House's new statements are incomplete and contrary to earlier acknowledgments that some e-mails are missing.

CREW also asserted in court papers filed yesterday that "critical and highly relevant evidence may have been destroyed" by the White House.

The group's chief counsel, Anne Weismann, said the chart referenced in Waxman's letter corresponded to information from an informant who contacted the group and described nearly 500 days between 2003 and 2005 when no e-mails from several White House offices were archived.

Weismann said the source further described many more days during the same period when the volume of archived e-mail was unusually low. "The example I was given is that the average volumes per day in the White House office, for example, was 60,000 to 100,000, yet there were entire weeks when it was as low as five a day," she said.

Fratto said yesterday that "we tried to reconstruct some of the work . . . and could not replicate that or could not authenticate the correctness of the data in that chart." In an e-mailed response to questions, he also said the e-mails in question may exist on backup tapes that are separate from the archival system.

Theresa Payton, chief information officer in the White House Office of Administration, also said in her court affidavit that her office has "serious reservations about the reliability of the chart" and has "so far been unable to replicate its results or to affirm the correctness of the assumptions underlying it."

Payton also disclosed that e-mail backup tapes were routinely "recycled" during the first three years of the Bush administration. The White House stopped the practice in October 2003, when it "began preserving and storing all back-up tapes," Payton said.

Technology experts say recycled data is often impossible to recover, especially if the tapes have been written over repeatedly, raising the possibility that some e-mails could be gone forever.

The special counsel who oversaw the investigation of the Valerie Plame Wilson CIA leak case, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, wrote in a letter to defense counsel in January 2006 that some e-mail in the offices of Bush and Cheney was not preserved through "the normal archiving process" in 2003.

When asked yesterday about a previous statement by White House spokeswoman Dana Perino that some White House e-mails are indeed missing, Fratto demur


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KarlRove

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Then why didn't the Dumbocrat controlled congress do anything about it?

boards of FL

boards of FL

KarlRove wrote:Then why didn't the Dumbocrat controlled congress do anything about it?


Because they don't have to pander to a batshit crazy base that creates threads like this one and then asks rhetorical questions like yours when the premise is blown out of the water.


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boards of FL wrote:
KarlRove wrote:Then why didn't the Dumbocrat controlled congress do anything about it?


Because they don't have to pander to a batshit crazy base that creates threads like this one and then asks rhetorical questions like yours when the premise is blown out of the water.


Jab Jab Hook to the chin

Nice 1 BOF


Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:
KarlRove wrote:Then why didn't the Dumbocrat controlled congress do anything about it?


Because they don't have to pander to a batshit crazy base that creates threads like this one and then asks rhetorical questions like yours when the premise is blown out of the water.

Please tell us how this is not relevant and the premise is blown out of the water.

Do you support the Secretary of State keeping classified government information hidden from the United States government?

boards of FL

boards of FL

Markle wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
KarlRove wrote:Then why didn't the Dumbocrat controlled congress do anything about it?


Because they don't have to pander to a batshit crazy base that creates threads like this one and then asks rhetorical questions like yours when the premise is blown out of the water.

Please tell us how this is not relevant and the premise is blown out of the water.

Do you support the Secretary of State keeping classified government information hidden from the United States government?


Go read my post from the previous page and then come back and let me know which part you need further explained.


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Markle

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Now the CLINTON SERVER has been erased. Almost sounds like the start of a James Bond movie.

Head of House Benghazi probe says Hillary Clinton wiped email server 'clean'


Published March 28, 2015
·FoxNews.com

Hillary Clinton wiped her email server "clean," permanently deleting all emails from it, the leader of the House committee investigating the 2012 terror attacks in Benghazi said Friday.

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., said the former secretary of state has failed to produce a single new document in recent weeks and has refused to relinquish her server to a third party for an independent review, as Gowdy has requested.

"While it is not clear precisely when Secretary Clinton decided to permanently delete all emails from her server, it appears she made the decision after October 28, 2014, when the Department of State for the first time asked the secretary to return her public record to the Department," Gowdy said in a statement. “Not only was the secretary the sole arbiter of what was a public record, she also summarily decided to delete all emails from her server ensuring no one could check behind her analysis in the public interest.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/28/head-house-benghazi-probe-says-hillary-clinton-wiped-email-server-clean/

2seaoat



Geeeez........did I not tell you that the email server had been wiped three weeks ago. How fricking stupid do you think Hillary is or the American people. This none issue, like all the others that Gomer tries to drum up have nothing to do with running good government, but everything to do with partisan witch hunts......but if you are going to send Gomer to do a real man's job you first serve the fricking subpoena two years ago, and then talk about it.......stupid attracts stupid.



When Gomer tells the world that he is going to throw a fast ball......what did you expect. Serve the subpoena years ago and shut the F up......but we all know justice and truth have nothing to do with this witch hunt, or the next one, or the next one........

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Markle wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/28/head-house-benghazi-probe-says-hillary-clinton-wiped-email-server-clean/

Sorry, but we do not trust Fox News as worthy news source. A source for boob-bait, yes, but credible news? Mostly not.

What if Dick Cheney, instead of Hillary Clinton, had deleted 30,000 emails, from his personal home server? Faux_n10

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan

What if Dick Cheney, instead of Hillary Clinton, had deleted 30,000 emails, from his personal home server? 3-rings2

Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Markle wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/28/head-house-benghazi-probe-says-hillary-clinton-wiped-email-server-clean/

Sorry, but we do not trust Fox News as worthy news source. A source for boob-bait, yes, but credible news? Mostly not.

What if Dick Cheney, instead of Hillary Clinton, had deleted 30,000 emails, from his personal home server? Faux_n10

Great, show us that what Fox News has broadcast about this is NOT true. Come on, step up to the plate.

Come on ZVUGKTUBM, show us a current, reliable source that says Hillary has NOT wiped her server clean.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Markle wrote:Great, show us that what Fox News has broadcast about this is NOT true.  Come on, step up to the plate.

Come on ZVUGKTUBM, show us a current, reliable source that says Hillary has NOT wiped her server clean.

I think you just need to go outside and ride your tricycle for a while....


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