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1Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week Empty Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week 10/22/2012, 9:12 am

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Just another "unintended" consequence courtesy of Obamacare. One can imagine what small businesses will do - hire a few more employees yet cut everyones hours back to 29 per week to avoid the burdensome mandated insurance premiums. Of course the three blind mice (Pelosi, Reid, Obama) will tout it as improving the employment picture.

"Just recently, the Internal Revenue Service issued an 18-page, single-spaced notice explaining how to distinguish between full-time and part-time workers under the Affordable Care Act (“Obamacare”). The difference matters, because the act requires employers with 50 or more full-time workers to provide health insurance for those workers. At the same time, no company has to buy insurance for part-time employees, defined as those working less than 30 hours a week."

Full story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-samuelson-obamacares-rhetoric-vs-its-reality/2012/10/21/c6b95560-1a17-11e2-aa6f-3b636fecb829_story.html?hpid=z3

stormwatch89

stormwatch89

nochain wrote:Just another "unintended" consequence courtesy of Obamacare. One can imagine what small businesses will do - hire a few more employees yet cut everyones hours back to 29 per week to avoid the burdensome mandated insurance premiums. Of course the three blind mice (Pelosi, Reid, Obama) will tout it as improving the employment picture.

"Just recently, the Internal Revenue Service issued an 18-page, single-spaced notice explaining how to distinguish between full-time and part-time workers under the Affordable Care Act (“Obamacare”). The difference matters, because the act requires employers with 50 or more full-time workers to provide health insurance for those workers. At the same time, no company has to buy insurance for part-time employees, defined as those working less than 30 hours a week."

Full story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-samuelson-obamacares-rhetoric-vs-its-reality/2012/10/21/c6b95560-1a17-11e2-aa6f-3b636fecb829_story.html?hpid=z3



That's exactly what any savvy business owner will do with the exception of a few key employees.

Nekochan

Nekochan

stormwatch89 wrote:
nochain wrote:Just another "unintended" consequence courtesy of Obamacare. One can imagine what small businesses will do - hire a few more employees yet cut everyones hours back to 29 per week to avoid the burdensome mandated insurance premiums. Of course the three blind mice (Pelosi, Reid, Obama) will tout it as improving the employment picture.

"Just recently, the Internal Revenue Service issued an 18-page, single-spaced notice explaining how to distinguish between full-time and part-time workers under the Affordable Care Act (“Obamacare”). The difference matters, because the act requires employers with 50 or more full-time workers to provide health insurance for those workers. At the same time, no company has to buy insurance for part-time employees, defined as those working less than 30 hours a week."

Full story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-samuelson-obamacares-rhetoric-vs-its-reality/2012/10/21/c6b95560-1a17-11e2-aa6f-3b636fecb829_story.html?hpid=z3



That's exactly what any savvy business owner will do with the exception of a few key employees.


True.

stormwatch89

stormwatch89

This may be rather appropriate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX6DJzt1PWU

PBulldog2

PBulldog2

While I admit the rules are cumbersome as hell, I do think it's about time employers are forced to offer insurance to employees who work full time hours.

In the hospital industry, it's not unusual to see "PRN", or "as needed" employees work full time hours but, because of their job classification, they are not offered insurance. It's been going on for at least twenty years at all of the hospitals in the Pensacola area.

It's unfortunate that this offering of insurance had to be forced, but it is clear that too many employers were taking advantage of the "job classification" loophole to avoid offering insurance to employees who work full time. Had these employees even been offered the opportunity to purchase health insurance, even at full cost but under the employer's group policy umbrella, this situation may not have required legislation.


EDIT: Back in the day, local hospitals offered part time and as needed employees pro-rated insurance benefits. You work less, you pay more. Then, about twenty or so years ago, that all changed.

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But on the other had the penalty for over 50 is cheaper than the cost of providing insurance. You also can't buy just for key employee's.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


This has nothing to do with the new healthcare law. It's been going on for decades, at least since the 80's. What I hope happens is that employees will no longer have to pay ridiculous COBRA premiums when they're let go because of injury or illness, and if you think people don't get fired when they're sick, losing both their jobs and their health coverage, you don't have a clue. I've seen it happen too many times.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Why should employers be forced to pay for anything but wages....guess this is not a capitalist country....thanks for the socialism and ruining our economy commie rats. I guess China is much closer to a capitalist country now than we are....Why do you socialist bums think that employers should kiss their employees ass. Why not let the market decide who is employable and who should be starving....?

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Floridatexan wrote:
This has nothing to do with the new healthcare law.

You can't be serious. It has EVERYTHING to do with the law and this is just the beginning.

10Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week Empty Re: Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week 10/22/2012, 12:54 pm

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Lol... ain't that the truth Teo. It amazes me when people moan about jobs going overseas or stagnant wages or cutting this or that... there is nothing taking place that isn't by govt design. Try to think of anything it isn't involved in or outright directing.

when something fails by design... is it really a "crisis"?

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I really am disgusted when the politicians roll out a mandatory program then expect those with no interest in it to fund it. Anyone who doesn't think Obamacare is going to be a real problem for small (and possibly big) business is in for a very rude surprise.

Sal

Sal

nochain wrote:I really am disgusted when the politicians roll out a mandatory program then expect those with no interest in it to fund it. Anyone who doesn't think Obamacare is going to be a real problem for small (and possibly big) business is in for a very rude surprise.

Oh, is that how it works?

In that case, I have no interest in invading foreign nations and killing brown skins, nor busting people for smoking weed.

Can I haz a refund please?

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Why should employers be forced to pay for anything but wages....guess this is not a capitalist country....thanks for the socialism and ruining our economy commie rats. I guess China is much closer to a capitalist country now than we are....Why do you socialist bums think that employers should kiss their employees ass. Why not let the market decide who is employable and who should be starving....?

I agree that employers should not have to offer insurance coverage to their employees. That situation leaves employers stuck in the middle between their employees and the insurance companies.

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if these monster obama laws are not tamed, it will be like hearing the screaming coming from the pits of hell in a couple of years when the other hundred foot or so of these mandates go into place.

Twisted Evil

PBulldog2

PBulldog2

Floridatexan wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Why should employers be forced to pay for anything but wages....guess this is not a capitalist country....thanks for the socialism and ruining our economy commie rats. I guess China is much closer to a capitalist country now than we are....Why do you socialist bums think that employers should kiss their employees ass. Why not let the market decide who is employable and who should be starving....?

I agree that employers should not have to offer insurance coverage to their employees. That situation leaves employers stuck in the middle between their employees and the insurance companies.

I agree that the insurance/employer ties should be severed. The ability to obtain and afford insurance should never have been tied to one's employment status in the first place, but unfortunately, it is. That concept is ingrained in our culture now. When you step back and look at this at this idea objectively, it's really a ridiculous notion.

But hey, if employers don't want to be forced to help fund insurance for their employees, perhaps it's time for employers to support single payer health care (Medicare for all.)


16Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week Empty Re: Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week 10/22/2012, 11:11 pm

stormwatch89

stormwatch89

reaper1948 wrote:But on the other had the penalty for over 50 is cheaper than the cost of providing insurance. You also can't buy just for key employee's.


You can, most certainly, if they are full time and the others are not.

17Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week Empty Re: Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week 10/22/2012, 11:56 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Rogue wrote:if these monster obama laws are not tamed, it will be like hearing the screaming coming from the pits of hell in a couple of years when the other hundred foot or so of these mandates go into place.

Twisted Evil

You are so stupid and misinformed it would take a brain transplant to explain anything to you. And I mean that sincerely. You're about the stupidest person I've ever come across. Your kids will eventually know it when they try to live by your principles. And then they will reject your principles and you will feel (rightfully) rejected as well. Good luck with all that. Pitiful. Sad. Seen it before. That's when you'll experience the "pits of hell'.

18Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week Empty Re: Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week 10/23/2012, 12:06 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PBulldog2 wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Why should employers be forced to pay for anything but wages....guess this is not a capitalist country....thanks for the socialism and ruining our economy commie rats. I guess China is much closer to a capitalist country now than we are....Why do you socialist bums think that employers should kiss their employees ass. Why not let the market decide who is employable and who should be starving....?

I agree that employers should not have to offer insurance coverage to their employees. That situation leaves employers stuck in the middle between their employees and the insurance companies.

I agree that the insurance/employer ties should be severed. The ability to obtain and afford insurance should never have been tied to one's employment status in the first place, but unfortunately, it is. That concept is ingrained in our culture now. When you step back and look at this at this idea objectively, it's really a ridiculous notion.

But hey, if employers don't want to be forced to help fund insurance for their employees, perhaps it's time for employers to support single payer health care (Medicare for all.)



I couldn't agree more, PB. I really hoped for a single-payer solution during the debate for passage of the healthcare bill, but the people who were there to speak for single-payer were effectively shut out of the debate.

But imagine the burden lifted off employers if they no longer had to worry about providing health coverage to their employees.

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Who needs employees?

Just do like the newspapers do with their paper deliverers. Hire them as independent contractors and pay them what you feel they're worth. Newspapers always draw up the contractual agreements and pay the independent delivery person what they feel the job is worth. No health care has to be provided by the company paying for the contract because that's the contractors responsibility. If the independent contractor doesn't like the pay they know where the front door is.

See! No fuss about having employees and if they screw up you just terminate the contract for failure to abide by contractual agreements.

I see this as the wave of the future for all businesses that currently hire employees.

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salinsky wrote:
nochain wrote:I really am disgusted when the politicians roll out a mandatory program then expect those with no interest in it to fund it. Anyone who doesn't think Obamacare is going to be a real problem for small (and possibly big) business is in for a very rude surprise.

Oh, is that how it works?

In that case, I have no interest in invading foreign nations and killing brown skins, nor busting people for smoking weed.

Can I haz a refund please?

Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week Is?Tt0xwb9qmcYpFIjH7RXKFpespoBBv2e0XYzsTNTQLL4

And I have no desire to continue being a major supporter of the United Nations (and several other alliances that the US is a part of... like NATO), paying foreign aid to countries, giving subsidies to other coutries so they can buy our ag products, continuing to have embassies in countries that don't want us there, continuing trade agreements that other countries don't follow through with their end of the agreement, forgiving debts that other countires don't want to pay back, providing amnesty to people who come to this country illegally,... Shall I go on?

I want a refund also.

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salinsky wrote:
nochain wrote:I really am disgusted when the politicians roll out a mandatory program then expect those with no interest in it to fund it. Anyone who doesn't think Obamacare is going to be a real problem for small (and possibly big) business is in for a very rude surprise.

Oh, is that how it works?

In that case, I have no interest in invading foreign nations and killing brown skins, nor busting people for smoking weed.

Can I haz a refund please?

Even though you are a closet racist and idiotic hypocrite in most cases I have to agree that war should be the absolutely very last option and MJ should have been legalized years ago.

22Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week Empty Re: Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week 10/23/2012, 10:38 am

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nochain wrote:Just another "unintended" consequence courtesy of Obamacare. One can imagine what small businesses will do - hire a few more employees yet cut everyones hours back to 29 per week to avoid the burdensome mandated insurance premiums. Of course the three blind mice (Pelosi, Reid, Obama) will tout it as improving the employment picture.

"Just recently, the Internal Revenue Service issued an 18-page, single-spaced notice explaining how to distinguish between full-time and part-time workers under the Affordable Care Act (“Obamacare”). The difference matters, because the act requires employers with 50 or more full-time workers to provide health insurance for those workers. At the same time, no company has to buy insurance for part-time employees, defined as those working less than 30 hours a week."

Full story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-samuelson-obamacares-rhetoric-vs-its-reality/2012/10/21/c6b95560-1a17-11e2-aa6f-3b636fecb829_story.html?hpid=z3

HOLY CRAP are we now France?.....

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nochain wrote:
salinsky wrote:
nochain wrote:I really am disgusted when the politicians roll out a mandatory program then expect those with no interest in it to fund it. Anyone who doesn't think Obamacare is going to be a real problem for small (and possibly big) business is in for a very rude surprise.

Oh, is that how it works?

In that case, I have no interest in invading foreign nations and killing brown skins, nor busting people for smoking weed.

Can I haz a refund please?

Even though you are a closet racist and idiotic hypocrite in most cases I have to agree that war should be the absolutely very last option and MJ should have been legalized years ago.

Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week Is?rj1if3U8PkKyb9FlGt18q1s110FaqD0Qhoh1WSuEOs8

Our current Nobel Peace Prize winning president believes in talking with missles, drones, artillary, infantry, etc.....

.....Exactly how many countries we're not at war with has he bombed now without Congressional approval?

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I agree that MJ should be legalized and federally controlled with a big federal tax and stamp on each package... Along with penalties to match for those that are under the influence when working or driving.

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[quote="Damaged Eagle"][quote="nochain"]
salinsky wrote:
nochain wrote:I

Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week Is?rj1if3U8PkKyb9FlGt18q1s110FaqD0Qhoh1WSuEOs8

Our current Nobel Peace Prize winning president believes in talking with missles, drones, artillary, infantry, etc.....

.....Exactly how many countries we're not at war with has he bombed now without Congressional approval?

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk3sURDS4IA

Smile

I agree that MJ should be legalized and federally controlled with a big federal tax and stamp on each package... Along with penalties to match for those that are under the influence when working or driving.

It would sure solve more problems than would be created. Decreasing the load on the CJS and warehousing inmates, added tax revenue, and eliminating much of the criminal element.

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[quote="nochain"][quote="Damaged Eagle"]
nochain wrote:
salinsky wrote:
nochain wrote:I

Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week Is?rj1if3U8PkKyb9FlGt18q1s110FaqD0Qhoh1WSuEOs8

Our current Nobel Peace Prize winning president believes in talking with missles, drones, artillary, infantry, etc.....

.....Exactly how many countries we're not at war with has he bombed now without Congressional approval?

*****SMILE*****

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I agree that MJ should be legalized and federally controlled with a big federal tax and stamp on each package... Along with penalties to match for those that are under the influence when working or driving.

It would sure solve more problems than would be created. Decreasing the load on the CJS and warehousing inmates, added tax revenue, and eliminating much of the criminal element.

Welcome to the 29 Hour Work Week Is?8mKWKZRKM6VrpHKGv4yt3hRzS7ZgWH7XkAQJcDcFIxc

Look at all the infrastructure, like in the prisons, that we could repair with that extra revenue...

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