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Telstar

Telstar
The Armenian Community needs to return swift justice on these low life scum.The only good Trumper is a GONE TRUMPER! Little wonder why so many real American Patriots yearn to paint houses with these Russian backed Trump jizz. Twisted Evil



RealLindaL


F  U  C  K  E  R  S !!!!


DONALD TRUMP AND HIS MINIONS HAVE SUCCEEDED AT MURDERING AMERICA.  THE NATION WE KNEW NO LONGER EXISTS.   PEOPLE WHO CAN STILL SUPPORT TRUMP AND TRUMPISM HAVE UTTERLY LOST THEIR MORAL COMPASS.  A DISGUSTING SHAME SHAME SHAME ON THEM ALL!!!!

Telstar

Telstar
RealLindaL wrote: F  U  C  K  E  R  S !!!!


DONALD TRUMP AND HIS MINIONS HAVE SUCCEEDED AT MURDERING AMERICA.  THE NATION WE KNEW NO LONGER EXISTS.   PEOPLE WHO CAN STILL SUPPORT TRUMP AND TRUMPISM HAVE UTTERLY LOST THEIR MORAL COMPASS.  A DISGUSTING SHAME SHAME SHAME ON THEM ALL!!!!




I like this crisp, clear attitude Linda. I like it a lot. Cool

zsomething


Looks like at least a few Republicans are trying to mount a resistance of their own.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/opinion/lincoln-project.html

Opinion
We Are Republicans, and We Want Trump Defeated

The president and his enablers have replaced conservatism with an empty faith led by a bogus prophet.

By George T. Conway III, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver and Rick Wilson

The authors have worked for and supported Republican campaigns.

Dec. 17, 2019

Credit...Samuel Corum for The New York Times

Patriotism and the survival of our nation in the face of the crimes, corruption and corrosive nature of Donald Trump are a higher calling than mere politics. As Americans, we must stem the damage he and his followers are doing to the rule of law, the Constitution and the American character.

That’s why we are announcing the Lincoln Project, an effort to highlight our country’s story and values, and its people’s sacrifices and obligations. This effort transcends partisanship and is dedicated to nothing less than preservation of the principles that so many have fought for, on battlefields far from home and within their own communities.

This effort asks all Americans of all places, creeds and ways of life to join in the seminal task of our generation: restoring to this nation leadership and governance that respects the rule of law, recognizes the dignity of all people and defends the Constitution and American values at home and abroad.

Over these next 11 months, our efforts will be dedicated to defeating President Trump and Trumpism at the ballot box and to elect those patriots who will hold the line. We do not undertake this task lightly, nor from ideological preference. We have been, and remain, broadly conservative (or classically liberal) in our politics and outlooks. Our many policy differences with national Democrats remain, but our shared fidelity to the Constitution dictates a common effort.

The 2020 general election, by every indication, will be about persuasion, with turnout expected to be at record highs. Our efforts are aimed at persuading enough disaffected conservatives, Republicans and Republican-leaning independents in swing states and districts to help ensure a victory in the Electoral College, and congressional majorities that don’t enable or abet Mr. Trump’s violations of the Constitution, even if that means Democratic control of the Senate and an expanded Democratic majority in the House.


The American presidency transcends the individuals who occupy the Oval Office. Their personality becomes part of our national character. Their actions become our actions, for which we all share responsibility. Their willingness to act in accordance with the law and our tradition dictate how current and future leaders will act. Their commitment to order, civility and decency are reflected in American society.

Mr. Trump fails to meet the bar for this commitment. He has neither the moral compass nor the temperament to serve. His vision is limited to what immediately faces him — the problems and risks he chronically brings upon himself and for which others, from countless contractors and companies to the American people, ultimately bear the heaviest burden.

But this president’s actions are possible only with the craven acquiescence of congressional Republicans. They have done no less than abdicate their Article I responsibilities.


Indeed, national Republicans have done far worse than simply march along to Mr. Trump’s beat. Their defense of him is imbued with an ugliness, a meanness and a willingness to attack and slander those who have shed blood for our country, who have dedicated their lives and careers to its defense and its security, and whose job is to preserve the nation’s status as a beacon of hope.

Congressional Republicans have embraced and copied Mr. Trump’s cruelty and defended and even adopted his corruption. Mr. Trump and his enablers have abandoned conservatism and longstanding Republican principles and replaced it with Trumpism, an empty faith led by a bogus prophet. In a recent survey, a majority of Republican voters reported that they consider Mr. Trump a better president than Lincoln.

Mr. Trump and his fellow travelers daily undermine the proposition we as a people have a responsibility and an obligation to continually bend the arc of history toward justice. They mock our belief in America as something more meaningful than lines on a map.

Our peril far outstrips any past differences: It has arrived at our collective doorstep, and we believe there is no other choice. We sincerely hope, but are not optimistic, that some of those Republicans charged with sitting as jurors in a likely Senate impeachment trial will do likewise.

American men and women stand ready around the globe to defend us and our way of life. We must do right by them and ensure that the country for which they daily don their uniform deserves their protection and their sacrifice.

We are reminded of Dan Sickles, an incompetent 19th-century New York politician. On July 2, 1863, his blundering nearly ended the United States.


(Sickles’s greatest previous achievement had been fatally shooting his wife’s lover across the street from the White House and getting himself elected to Congress. Even his most fervent admirers could not have imagined that one day, far in the future, another incompetent New York politician, a president, would lay claim to that legacy by saying he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it.)

On that day in Pennsylvania, Sickles was a major general commanding the Union Army’s III Corps at the Battle of Gettysburg, and his incompetence wrought chaos and danger. The Confederate Army took advantage, and turned the Union line. Had the rebel soldiers broken through, the continent might have been divided: free and slave, democratic and authoritarian.

Another Union general, Winfield Scott Hancock, had only minutes to reinforce the line. America, the nation, the ideal, hung in the balance. Amid the fury of battle, he found the First Minnesota Volunteers.

They charged, and many of them fell, suffering a staggeringly high casualty rate. They held the line. They saved the Union. Four months later, Lincoln stood on that field of slaughter and said, “It is for us, the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.”

We look to Lincoln as our guide and inspiration. He understood the necessity of not just saving the Union, but also of knitting the nation back together spiritually as well as politically. But those wounds can be bound up only once the threat has been defeated. So, too, will our country have to knit itself back together after the scourge of Trumpism has been overcome.


Unfortunately, most of the Republican voters won't be swayed.

I bag on conservatives a lot, because I know them well, and they deserve every bit of it. If you count on a conservative to show any kind of courage, or buck any kind of system, you will always be disappointed. I honestly believe there is, at least somewhat, a genetic component that leads people to political extremes, just like there's a factor that inclines people to religion -- https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7147-genes-contribute-to-religious-inclination/ There's plenty of nurture involved, but nature's a factor, too -- some people are just born more conservative, and some people are born more liberal. That's why you get drippy hippies on the left, and fascists on the right. And some of the traits I've found in just about every really hardcore conservative I've ever dealt with have been:

1. Herd conformity -- they're actually uncomfortable if they're not in agreement with most of the people around them. I have co-workers who go around asking everyone's opinion of things before they form their own, because they don't want to risk being an individual.

2. Fear -- they're afraid of everything from scary-brown-people to ghosts. No amount of guns or ammo will make them feel safe, either. It's why they're always so eager to trust in cops. They're like children and want to be "protected." They'll give up any amount of liberty to do it. I am constantly having to settle the fears of neighbors and co-workers over the silliest things, everything from urban legends in their e-mail ("people hiding under your cars will slice your tendons! They're giving out ether disguised as perfume samples at WalMart and they'll steal your kidneys!") to "demons." I have a half-dozen co-workers who are scared to watch The Exorcist, not because it's a scary movie, but because "if you watch things about demons, they'll come and get you!" Adults, in their 50's, believing that hogwash.

3. Faith -- they like to "believe" things. They don't care much about facts... they just want to trust someone who tells them what they should think, and belong to a group that does. Like children, they want to be told comforting stories in which they're the good guys and everyone else is bad... and it doesn't matter if they're true or not, just as long as they get to believe.

Want an example? Check out the people saying "Think for yourself, don't be a sheep, read the transcript"... who haven't read the transcript.



4. Tribalism -- no matter how bad results their side gets them, and no matter how much the other side could help them, they will hate who they're told to hate, no matter what. The same things that make so many conservatives racist apply to loathing Democrats. They like to have an enemy.

5. Hypocrisy/ Lack of Integrity -- they will rail, incessantly, about some small (or even imagined) infraction a Democrat does, while completely ignoring/denying a far greater infraction in the same area that a Republican does. It's not that conservatives hate corruption or crookedness... they only hate it when the other side does it. And they will project the worst possible traits onto them, while ignoring anything their guys do. Nobody's completely immune from this, o' course, but if Democrats get an Al Franken, they kick him out of the party. If Republicans get a Donald "grab 'em by the pussy" Trump, they dismiss it as no biggie. We see a lot of that here, with ol' Johnny-Whatabout and his incredibly predictable response to everything.

And there are more traits, but you get the gist. It's not all conservatives, but it does apply in general... and the ones who had some bravery and integrity (or at least a sense of embarrassment) have already fled, and are trying to save what's left of their party by opposing Trump.

But most of the herd? They're never going to have that kind of courage, or integrity. They're short-sighted and they're going to let Trump lead them right down the cattle chute, no matter what kind of damage it does to the country.

Think how crazy it is to see people who revere Reagan watching the way Trump fawns before Putin. If nothing else, you'd think that would freak them out. But, nope... they can reconcile themselves to anything if it means not having to break conformity, not having to show courage, not having to lose faith, not having to leave the tribe, or having to be accountable.

Most of 'em will never stand up to Trump because... they can't. They simply don't have enough personal character to do it.

zsomething


Found a good Twitter thread from another red-state Democrat who gets it. And is maybe kinder about it than I am (which is admittedly not hard to do, as out of patience with 'em as I am). Worth the read:

https://twitter.com/DFire45/status/1206645442836140032

I'll try to edit the thread to make it more readable.


DumpsterFire45
@DFire45
Dear liberal Twitter.

I am a white male in a red rural area of a red southern state.

I wear wrangler pants from Walmart to work, I drive a 4x4, I own a firearm.
I am a fiscally conservative, socially liberal Democrat.

But I look exactly like the magas, and work with my
Hands so I come into contact with them regularly. Daily even.

I believe I have some insights to offer.

1)They are propagandized.
Decades of faux and talk radio in combination with conservative social media have ingrained right wing talking points into even casual viewers.
It's everywhere.
On every TV at the doctors office. In every gym. On every radio. Everywhere.

There are virtually no public or private areas that are not being inundated, outside of rare private homes.
If a station besides faux is on at the doctor's, the patients turn the
Channel.

2)Even the folks that are starting to (only just now) realize that something is "wrong" about Individual-1 are
actively shamed if they question his actions openly.

The words "liberal" and "democrat" are said through clenched teeth here.

Folks are afraid for
Their social standing, friendships and jobs.

So all that is openly spoken of him is good, and any bad is suppressed.

This is exactly the type of environment that would make a reasonable person question their own judgment.
And the negative incentive to avoid dissent is real


3)The possible dem voters are pushed too far right culturally to vote progressive right now.
I'm sorry. I don't like it either and I wish it wasn't so.

But if everyone around you is claiming that the dems are out to destroy the country,,, it's a goddamn stretch just to vote
Blue. And if done, will mostly be done in secret to avoid ridicule.

4)It's about race, replacement, and Obama, with a side order of Hillary hate for good measure.

And they can't get past it.

These folks are so radicalized against Obama, he is literally seen as a usurper
And foreign agent that took the presidency with the help of the deep state (Hillary) and tried to bring down democracy.

Watch Tucker or Hannity, or Ingraham. You'll get the idea.

They fear brown people, and losing the control that they presently enjoy.

They believe that
They are fighting for their lives and country, and that if they lose, their grandchildren will grow up in a country with open criminality and Mexico style narco-wars.

They also believe that illegal immigrants have been allowed to vote, and feel justified in voter Suppression as a result.

Because they been sold the status of "victim" they feel justified in winning by any means necessary.

See @Teri_Kanefield
for excellent threads on hardball democracy if you're interested in more on that.


5) We want them.
The folks that are coming around. We want them and we need them.

If crossing over will result in more shame folks will stay where they are. We need em.

We can teach them all about embracing progressive values after we get em...
But right now, we need them to walk into a voting booth and put a mark next to a blue candidate while that's still an option.

Embrace that.
Wars are won one battle at a time. We need to take any victory we can get.
The bigger the better?
Sure.

But small ones too.


6) Dems must embrace reality.

I'm uninsured right now and it's scary. I can't afford the marketplace and I'm cash-n-carry at the doctors office.

I want a progressive. Badly.

But if a centrist gets the nomination I'm all in.
This is about democracy.

And keeping it. So.


7) It's probably best if we don't get the nominee we're all hoping for.

Twitter is not our country, and we have to accept that.
Not everyone has the same understandings we do and we all still need each other to stay intact as a democracy.

Vote for the dem that can win...
And encourage/help others to do the same.

Don't hit the folks crossing enemy lines with fire and brimstone. Help them ease over to the side of tolerance and acceptance.

That's our strength.
We let people have different points of view and choose how to live without shame.

That's who we are.
It's literally the reason we're different. Let's keep it.
It's fucking awesome.

Individual-1 doesn't get to take that from us.

Sorry for the typos and grammar. I have very little formal education.

This concludes today's public service announcement.

I've been reading as many of the comments as I can and I have to say thank you.

I'm really humbled by the kindness, support, suggestions and follows.

You guys rock!

I noticed a couple of reoccurring hiccups and wanted to try to clear them up.

When I said that I was fiscally conservative, I meant personally. I personally, am conservative financially.

Dems wind up cleaning up the mess after every repub administration.

We're actually better with money than they are, but they're better at claiming to be. They're lying.

Some folks have brought up the gun ownership thing so...

Rural areas tend to have as much, or more, crime than cities. And there are generally only 4 patrols working in my whole county at night.

If I call 911 at 1am it could be a half hour or an hour before they arrive.

And my neighbors are farther that in the city. They wouldn't likely hear if help was needed.

I've never pointed it at a human being, but I have used it to protect the animals from raccoons and possums.

I believe gun ownership is a right, but would love to see reform/education.

A candidate is literally the dumbest argument I've ever heard.

And claiming that we shouldn't care about pulling maga voters is a bad argument.
Why?

Because of the electoral college, and the "winner takes all" state systems to distribute those electoral votes, only a few...
States will actually pick the president.

Those are not liberal states.
Sorry. I wish they were.
But they're not.

And we have ZERO chance of fixing that right now.
We just have to navigate it.

Sucks right?
We gotta make the "least bad" choice.
But that's where we are.

To summarize
☺


1. Dems are the real fiscal conservatives.

2. Guns are a useful tool. Reform is DEFINITELY needed.

3. If you've decided that tactical planning is offensive to you stop worrying about it.
You've already lost.

4. We're stuck with a very flawed electoral college system, and that's just the way it is. We should try to make choices based on that reality.

5. We're the adults. It falls to us.

Thanks y'all.
I appreciate your attention and care.

Sal

Sal
Sometimes a picture doesn’t have to be worth a thousand words. Just a few will do. As Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov returned home from his visit with President Donald Trump in the Oval Office last week, Russian state media were gloating over the spectacle. TV channel Rossiya 1 aired a segment entitled “Puppet Master and ‘Agent’—How to Understand Lavrov’s Meeting With Trump.”

Vesti Nedeli, a Sunday news show on the same network, pointed out that it was Trump, personally, who asked Lavrov to pose standing near as Trump sat at his desk. It’s almost the literal image of a power behind the throne.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russias-state-tv-calls-trump-their-agent?ref=home

Telstar

Telstar
Sal wrote:Sometimes a picture doesn’t have to be worth a thousand words. Just a few will do. As Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov returned home from his visit with President Donald Trump in the Oval Office last week, Russian state media were gloating over the spectacle. TV channel Rossiya 1 aired a segment entitled “Puppet Master and ‘Agent’—How to Understand Lavrov’s Meeting With Trump.”

Vesti Nedeli, a Sunday news show on the same network, pointed out that it was Trump, personally, who asked Lavrov to pose standing near as Trump sat at his desk. It’s almost the literal image of a power behind the throne.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russias-state-tv-calls-trump-their-agent?ref=home



Letting US know who is really in charge.

knothead

knothead
RealLindaL wrote: F  U  C  K  E  R  S !!!!


DONALD TRUMP AND HIS MINIONS HAVE SUCCEEDED AT MURDERING AMERICA.  THE NATION WE KNEW NO LONGER EXISTS.   PEOPLE WHO CAN STILL SUPPORT TRUMP AND TRUMPISM HAVE UTTERLY LOST THEIR MORAL COMPASS.  A DISGUSTING SHAME SHAME SHAME ON THEM ALL!!!!



TSK TSK
cheers cheers cheers

Telstar

Telstar
zsomething wrote :

2.  Fear -- they're afraid of everything from scary-brown-people to ghosts.   No amount of guns or ammo will make them feel safe, either.  It's why they're always so eager to trust in cops.  They're like children and want to be "protected."  They'll give up any amount of liberty to do it.  I am constantly having to settle the fears of neighbors and co-workers over the silliest things, everything from urban legends in their e-mail ("people hiding under your cars will slice your tendons!   They're giving out ether disguised as perfume samples at WalMart and they'll steal your kidneys!") to "demons."  I have a half-dozen co-workers who are scared to watch The Exorcist, not because it's a scary movie, but because "if you watch things about demons, they'll come and get you!"   Adults, in their 50's, believing that hogwash.



Ever hear or see something called a bottle tree? One of the cracker boy trolls in my old Mississippi forum was obsessed with them.You take a bottle and slide it over a tree limb so it captures evil spirits. This was coming from a Conservative Christian. LOL. On the weekends he would clean the tombstones of the losing traitors buried there. On holidays he would dress up as Johnny Rubbish and reenact a battle from the first Civil War. Conservatives are strange but southern Conservatives are the strangest of all. Twisted Evil

Telstar

Telstar
Just like I said, Putin's Poodle sucks Russian cock and Turkey balls.


"Trump says Armenia massacres were not genocide, directly contradicting Congress"

The Trump administration has said it does not consider the mass killings of Armenians in 1915 to be a genocide, contradicting a unanimous vote by the US Senate.

The historic vote last week incensed Turkey, which has always denied that the killings amounted to a genocide.

Turkey's foreign ministry on Friday summoned the US ambassador to express its anger over the vote, accusing the US of "politicising history".

Armenia says 1.5 million were killed in an effort to wipe out the ethnic group.

The killings took place in the waning days of the Ottoman Empire, the forerunner of modern-day Turkey.

"The position of the administration has not changed," said State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus in a statement on Tuesday. "Our views are reflected in the president's definitive statement on this issue from last April," she said.

In a statement last April on the anniversary of the killings, Mr Trump said the US paid tribute to the victims of "one of the worst mass atrocities of the 20th century", but he did not use the word genocide. Instead he encouraged Armenians and Turks to "acknowledge and reckon with their painful history".


A previous effort at passing the resolution through the Senate was blocked by Senator Lindsay Graham - a staunch Trump ally - at the instruction of the White House.

There is general agreement that hundreds of thousands of Armenians died when the Ottoman Turks deported them en masse from eastern Anatolia to the Syrian desert and elsewhere in 1915-16. They were killed or died from starvation or disease.




https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50828179

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