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Why not just elect Vladimer Putin President of the USA and Russia?

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger
Consider: Our daffy President consistently does whatever will aid his master President Putin of Russia. Why shouldn't we go direct -- and elect Putin president here as well? And I'm deadly serious on this issue .... LOL

Sal

Sal
Six of one, half-dozen of the other ...

PkrBum

PkrBum
Wordslinger wrote:Consider:  Our daffy President consistently does whatever will aid his master President Putin of Russia.  Why shouldn't we go direct -- and elect Putin president here as well?  And I'm deadly serious on this issue ....  LOL

Ummm... who sat on their thumb while Putin invaded the Ukraine?

Who withheld their missile defense systems and left them helpless?

Telstar

Telstar
More kiwi jizz from the over medicated Michigan tennis queen. Twisted Evil

zsomething


That's one thing that's weirding me out that the conservatives are just going along with. I know they're in denial about a lot of things, and are so steeped in conspiracy theory that they don't believe reality anymore if they're given even the slightest means of escaping it, but... anyone can clearly observe that Trump is a doormat for the Russians. You can see it first-hand, primary-source, with no supposed "media spin" playing any part in it. Any time Russia wants something, Trump gives it to them. Any time Russia does something against America's interests, Trump makes excuses for them, casts doubt that they're to blame, and enables the hell out of them. Trump wrecks trading partnerships to open doors for Russia. Like I've said, if he's not a Russian asset, it's hard to think of what he'd do differently if he were. He's pretty much an honorary member of the Jennings Family from The Americans.

Now as to why Trump sucks up to Putin, I don't know. I don't know if the rumors of kompromat (such as a "pee tape") are real or if they're bullshit. I think it's just that Trump is a weak daddy-damaged man who can't stand up to anyone who flatters him, and who easily falls "in love" with authoritarian strong-men types, because he smooches Kim's butt and the Saudis, as well. So it may just be some weird toadying need to have "tough guys" like him. It could be a lot of things... but it's clear to anyone who's being even slightly honest that, yeah, Trump is Putin's sycophantic, spit-licking lapdog. That's not even up for debate.

What's weirder is that the rest of the G.O.P. fucking aids and abets this. It wasn't that long ago that they were defending Mitt Romney when Obama (wrongfully) mocked him for listing Russia as one of our biggest adversaries... and now they just roll over for Trump's lickspittle toadying. I know they're gutless, but Jesus, you'd think some things would be out of bounds.

I know the white supremacists love Russia and view them as an ally, because Russia's "white" and has a lot of the same loathing for immigrants that the neo-Nazis do. But even I don't think that conservatives have just turned into a full-blown neo-Nazi party quite yet. They're foolishly flirting with it, a lot of 'em, but... I don't think the white-supremacy connection would be a reason they're so squishy-soft on Russia now.

The whole thing's weird. Watching Republicans now is a lot more like viewing the actions of a cult than it is a political party. They believe preposterous things, they act on ridiculous bullshit that isn't true, they defend things they previously would have been opposed to. They make no sense at all.

Sometime, if America survives all of this, there's going to be a cottage industry built around dissecting exactly how this country went so fucking insane during these past few years. It's like we're all part of some big psychological experiment. Invasion of the Body Snatchers stuff. Lindsey Graham's probably got a giant pod in his basement...

Sal

Sal
Vlad is ex-KGB - a master manipulator.

The modern conservative movement in the United States has been indoctrinated to abandon critical thinking altogether - as a group, they are the ideal marks.

Vlad is exploiting an easy opportunity.

It's fascinating and terrifying to see how easily authoritarianism can permeate a society.

zsomething


Sal wrote:

The modern conservative movement in the United States has been indoctrinated to abandon critical thinking altogether - as a group, they are the ideal marks.


Indeed. They're ready-made cult material.

I've been calling them a cult for at least a year now... and now a cult deprogrammer is agreeing with me. https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/f471fd1e-7d13-3a30-a835-5f5369713ec4/%E2%80%98wake-up%21%E2%80%99-former-moonie-says.html

Everything fits. If you read Eric Hoffer's The True Believer, (https://www.amazon.com/True-Believer-Thoughts-Movements-Perennial/dp/0060505915/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3NC2A4HA6RV55&keywords=the+true+believer+eric+hoffer&qid=1574708724&s=books&sprefix=the+true+believer%2Caps%2C154&sr=1-1 ) it's like it was specifically written about them, even though it came out about 70 years ago. They've used propaganda-marketed-as-"news" and talk radio as "comfort food" for so long, to avoid having to accept that the legacy of conservatism is the South (last in everything good, first in everything bad), that now they can't digest reality anymore. Facts and logic are just things to work around... and guys like Trump thrive on rubes like that.

Honestly, they picked him out of all their other candidates because they don't understand policy anyway -- it's too hard and too complex -- and a TV show had made them think that Trump was a "successful businessman," rather than a silly schmuck who wallows in debt. Then the bigotry just added spice to it all and hooked 'em. Say enough bigoty shit and conservatives will follow you anywhere. Even into Russia. Trump has so-called "patriots" scurrying to squeeze themselves under Putin's boot.

PkrBum

PkrBum
Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space."

Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…"

Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."

Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir."

zsomething


Most people know that it's a bad idea to start deals when you might not be in office to finish 'em, and thus not be able to follow through.  Then there are people who like to misinterpret things because intellectually they're are so out of ammo that they keep clicking the same damp cap gun, mistaking it for "equivalency."  

Anyway, back to "Republicans have turned into a cult of crazy people" news, I have yet more proof... which I don't even really need at this point.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-chosen-one-sent-110225965.html



Trump has been described as the “chosen one” by his secretary of energy, Rick Perry.

In the preview of an interview shown on Fox News on Sunday night, the adviser, who has drawn scrutiny for his role in the Ukraine scandal, also compared the US president to a number of biblical kings.

“God’s used imperfect people all through history,” Mr Perry told the broadcaster. “King David wasn’t perfect, Saul wasn’t perfect, Solomon wasn’t perfect.”

He revealed that he gave Mr Trump “a little one-pager on those Old Testament kings about a month ago”.

“I shared it with him and said, ‘Mr President, I know there are people that say you said you were the chosen one and I said, ‘You were,’” Mr Perry said.

“I said, ‘If you’re a believing Christian, you understand God’s plan for the people who rule and judge over us on this planet in our government.’”

After the interview was teased on Fox & Friends, Fox News journalist Ed Henry claimed that Mr Perry said the president was “sent by God to do great things”.

Why not just elect Vladimer Putin President of the USA and Russia? Trump_Jesus


Naw, that ain't batshit crazy er nothin'. Not a'tall.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
This pretty much sums up the relationship between Obama and Putin:

Why not just elect Vladimer Putin President of the USA and Russia? 2562

PkrBum

PkrBum
Groveling... if history is any judge.

Telstar

Telstar
PkrBum wrote:Groveling... if history is any judge.





If history is any judge you would be pushing up daisies in a pig graveyard, comrade pissant. Twisted Evil

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
Why not just elect Vladimer Putin President of the USA and Russia? Mad-quote

zsomething


There's also the Russian white-supremacist connection, which, increasingly, is becoming all that's left of Trump's base. Trump's been like a carcinogen for the Republican party, sending all the moderates bailing out, and metastasizing the rest into something really ugly and poisonous. And, oddly, drawing in "libertarians," who are like the far-far-left in being the cowards of the political world, never admitting to backing anyone who won or could win, so they never have to be responsible for anything. There are a lot of "libertarians" on YouTube defending Trump because a bunch of 'em are just closet Nazis. They, also, tend to be Russia apologists who'd be happy living under a dictatorship.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/american-racists-look-for-allies-in-russia


“Russia is our friend,” a group of torch-waving racists chanted during an October rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. “The South will rise again.”

The event was headed by white nationalist Richard Spencer, who has been stumping for Russia before Trump took office. Spencer, who advocates for “peaceful ethnic cleansing,” has promoted Russia as the kind of ethnostate he wants to create, calling it “the sole white power in the world” in 2016. Until October 2016, Spencer was married to Nina Kouprianova, a Putin apologist who translates the writings of Russian fascist Alexander Dugin.

The white supremacists’ chant of “Russia is our friend. The South will rise again,” summarized several years of neo-Confederate flirtation with Russia. Despite groups like League of the South decrying “globalism,” the movement’s leaders have long looked to Russia as an ideological ally.

"I have more in common with Vladimir Putin than I do with Barack Obama," League of the South President Michael Hill wrote in 2014. "One defends a nation—the Rus; the other lords over an anti-White multicultural empire. One upholds an ancient Christian tradition; the other deplores the Christian faith. One acts like a man; the other like a preening capon."

Hill waxed poetic on Putin’s “machoness”: “Sure, Putin puts on a lot of this stuff, takes his shirt off, rides a horse,” he said, according to Gawker, “but at the same time, you know, you can juxtapose it with Obama sittin' on a stupid-looking bicycle with a goofy-looking bike helmet on his head. And it doesn't look good for Obama. Putin looks like a man, you know.”

But the the far-right’s favorite “macho” policies don’t end with Putin taking off his shirt: the Russian president has also championed an illiberal, anti-gay agenda that resonates with American far-right conservatives. Putin has his own support from ultra-nationalist Russian gangs, the most notorious of which are the Night Wolves, a motorcycle club also known as “Putin’s Angels” for their close ties with the Kremlin. The violently anti-gay group has acted as unofficial muscle for the Kremlin in Ukraine, and have reportedly received handouts from the Putin administration.

In the run-up to Trump’s election, other white nationalists took the Putin praise to Russia. White nationalist writer Jared Taylor and former Ku Klux Klan lawyer Sam Dickson attended the white nationalist International Russian Conservative Forum in St. Petersburg in March 2015. Speaking alongside members of Greek neo-Nazi parties and French extremists, Dickson hailed Putin as having “[done] a lot” for Americans, as opposed to Obama whose “policies are directed against whites and Christians.” Dickson ended his speech on a broken Russian salute of “God save the Tsar!”

Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke and former leader of the white nationalist Traditionalist Worker Party Matthew Heimbach have also promoted Putin, with Heimbach telling Business Insider in 2016 that "I really believe that Russia is the leader of the free world right now.”

And as Trump sides increasingly with Putin over his own intelligence agencies, the racist right has begun openly advertising for Russian allies.


During a joint press conference with Putin last week, Trump refused to denounce Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, contradicting U.S. intelligence agencies to claim Russia had not been behind a hack on the Democratic National Committee. The following day, Hill, the League of the South president who praised Putin in 2014, published the group’s outreach “to our Russian friends”.

That's part of Trump's kissing-up to Putin -- trying to please the white supremacists in his base. I don't know how much of his base are actually bigots, but Trump sure as hell thinks they are. He gears his message to 'em.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Remember July 4, 2018 when a gaggle of Republicans spent the day in Russia? How many of these do you think were recipients of $$$$ from Russia, whether through the NRA or elsewhere?

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a22063027/republican-senators-russia-4th-of-july/

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