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101Trump Articles of Impeachment - Page 5 Empty Re: Trump Articles of Impeachment on 11/14/2019, 2:30 pm

Sal

Sal
What we know already;

Trump extorted a foreign country to dig up dirt for the his own personal and political gain. Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, spent months on this task. The ambassador to this country was fired for refusing to help out. Diplomats were subverted to make clear what the president’s demands were. The evidence for all this is voluminous and clear, and largely admitted to by the principals involved.

Article II of the Constitution states that the President SHALL be removed from office for just such behavior.

And, Republicans don't care.

102Trump Articles of Impeachment - Page 5 Empty Re: Trump Articles of Impeachment on 11/14/2019, 2:38 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
What we know? The witnesses haven't actually witnessed anything yet. Thirdhand hearsay won't cut it. Just drop the kabuki theatre and impeach. It's been talked about since the 2016 election. It's a foregone conclusion.

Don't let empirical facts and centuries of jurisprudence stand in the way. Get er done.

“hearsay can be much better evidence” Rep Quigley

103Trump Articles of Impeachment - Page 5 Empty Re: Trump Articles of Impeachment on 11/14/2019, 3:57 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

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Another witness has come forward who also heard the call between Sondlund and Il Douche. Both will be called to testify. It's not like you're defending a paragon of virtue, and you damn well know it, as do the GOP members of the House, who were the ones actually engaged in "kabuki theater". May you reap the karma of your constant lies.

104Trump Articles of Impeachment - Page 5 Empty Re: Trump Articles of Impeachment on 11/14/2019, 4:35 pm

zsomething


Floridatexan wrote:
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Another witness has come forward who also heard the call between Sondlund and Il Douche.  Both will be called to testify.  It's not like you're defending a paragon of virtue, and you damn well know it, as do the GOP members of the House, who were the ones actually engaged in "kabuki theater".  May you reap the karma of your constant lies.

You've got to admit, watching the squirming pissant make an even bigger fool of himself still trying to defend the proven crook he's invested so much of his pitiful identity in (even though he "doesn't really like him") is pretty fun.  Laughing   Not enough to make me wish he wouldn't go ahead and die already or anything, but, still, if we've got to put up with him, his pathetic attempts to salvage his pride is at least a pretty good baggy-pants clown act. Smile

I still don't think he's got any clue what the word "empirical" actually means, though, although you can tell he thinks he's real smart when he uses it.  I've never met a less empirical person in my life.  He's pure programming, just binge-and-purge Hannity.  Totally debunk something and he'll still try to use it the next day.  Smile

105Trump Articles of Impeachment - Page 5 Empty Re: Trump Articles of Impeachment on 11/15/2019, 1:29 pm

zsomething


Twitter is a riot right now. Apparently things have gotten so bad that even FOX is having to report that things aren't looking good for Trump... and conservatives on Twitter are throwing fits and accusing FOX News of "bias" against them.

This is an old crazyperson pattern that they've fallen into: they've decided, beforehand, what the truth is going to be... which is whatever they want to believe. Then, any evidence to the contrary is the result of either bias or an "conspiracy." It's never just the truth or a fact because they don't ever decide anything based on reality or evidence. The only things that are "real" to these people are things that defend Trump (even if they're total hogwash) and say Obama or Hilary are bad (because, somehow, that's always hand-in-hand with defending Trump -- "whataboutism" is mandatory... and it doesn't matter if the anti-Obama or Hillary material is a huge lie or misrepresentation, it only matters that it helps them reach their desired outcome.

It's all a game of foregone conclusions, with anything that doesn't fit dismissed by whatever desperate means they can come up with, no matter how silly or ridiculous. Like, the Mueller Report (the real one, not Barr's version) is "preposterous" while the QAnon conspiracy is totally logical and a real thing. Or, Biden is actually crazy enough to brag in public about stopping an investigation into his son... rather than him actually talking about making an official who wasn't investigating corruption do his job. These people live in a world where they think Obama gave billions in American money to Iran, or sold guns to Mexican drug cartels, etc. Nothing is too far-fetched as long as it's bad for a Democrat.

Meanwhile, the idea that a guy like Donald Trump, who has always been corrupt in his business dealings, as well as a serial liar, did something shady is just crazy to them... and if FOX is reporting that, then FOX has turned on them. 'Cuz, no matter what happens, it can't be true. Smile

Watch this stuff, folks. Beyond a historical event, it's a fascinating peek into the power of mass delusion and the psychology of groups. We're getting to see how a brainwashed cult, who've never been educated by the things that they watch, read, and listen to as much as they've been trained by it, react when they're confronted with a truth that doesn't fit the story they need to believe. Their little minds are just breaking. They don't know what to do, and they're getting crazier and crazier.

I have no idea how the Trump cult is going to end. Maybe they'll take their disillusionment like adults and slink away sadder but wiser... but, from my experience with 'em, I don't think that'll be how most of 'em deal with it. Some will just mire down into the crazy denial so much that they'll make no sense whatsoever anymore, just be one big sticky clot of increasingly-implausible conspiracies. And then there's the possibility of some kind of Jonestown ending, where vast numbers of them somehow destroy themselves, maybe not literally, but in some other way. Then there's the one that's most worrysome -- that they'll lash out and try to harm others. Because make no mistake, these people are radicalized. Politics has become a religion to them, and they're fundamentalist about it. They've been crazy enough to put all their faith into someone as ridiculously unworthy of anyone's faith as Donald Trump, and they're not going to be able to handle it when they're proven to be gullible idiots. There's gonna be some kind of societal strife out of this, I'm just not sure what.

That's part of the reason that I hope Trump's not removed from office this way. He needs to be voted out, in disgrace, by overwhelming numbers. The people who've been emboldened by him need to have it made clear to them that they've been rejected by the vast majority of their countrymen, and the shit they've been proudly flaunting for the past couple-er-three years is stuff they'd be far better off being ashamed of.

106Trump Articles of Impeachment - Page 5 Empty Re: Trump Articles of Impeachment on 11/15/2019, 1:56 pm

Telstar

Telstar
zsomething wrote:Twitter is a riot right now.  Apparently things have gotten so bad that even FOX is having to report that things aren't looking good for Trump... and conservatives on Twitter are throwing fits and accusing FOX News of "bias" against them.

This is an old crazyperson pattern that they've fallen into:  they've decided, beforehand, what the truth is going to be... which is whatever they want to believe.  Then, any evidence to the contrary is the result of either bias or an "conspiracy."  It's never just the truth or a fact because they don't ever decide anything based on reality or evidence.  The only things that are "real" to these people are things that defend Trump (even if they're total hogwash) and say Obama or Hilary are bad (because, somehow, that's always hand-in-hand with defending Trump -- "whataboutism" is mandatory... and it doesn't matter if the anti-Obama or Hillary material is a huge lie or misrepresentation, it only matters that it helps them reach their desired outcome.

It's all a game of foregone conclusions, with anything that doesn't fit dismissed by whatever desperate means they can come up with, no matter how silly or ridiculous.  Like, the Mueller Report (the real one, not Barr's version) is "preposterous" while the QAnon conspiracy is totally logical and a real thing.  Or, Biden is actually crazy enough to brag in public about stopping an investigation into his son... rather than him actually talking about making an official who wasn't investigating corruption do his job.  These people live in a world where they think Obama gave billions in American money to Iran, or sold guns to Mexican drug cartels, etc.   Nothing is too far-fetched as long as it's bad for a Democrat.

Meanwhile, the idea that a guy like Donald Trump, who has always been corrupt in his business dealings, as well as a serial liar, did something shady is just crazy to them... and if FOX is reporting that, then FOX has turned on them.   'Cuz, no matter what happens, it can't be true.  Smile

Watch this stuff, folks.  Beyond a historical event, it's a fascinating peek into  the power of mass delusion and the psychology of groups.  We're getting to  see how a brainwashed cult, who've never been educated by the things that they watch, read, and listen to as much as they've been trained by it, react when they're confronted with a truth that doesn't fit the story they need to believe.  Their little minds are just breaking.  They don't know what to do, and they're getting crazier and crazier.

I have no idea how the Trump cult is going to end.  Maybe they'll take their disillusionment like adults and slink away sadder but wiser... but, from my experience with 'em, I don't think that'll be how most of 'em deal with it.  Some will just mire down into the crazy denial so much that they'll make no sense whatsoever anymore, just be one big sticky clot of increasingly-implausible conspiracies.  And then there's the possibility of some kind of Jonestown ending, where vast numbers of them somehow destroy themselves, maybe not literally, but in some other way.   Then there's the one that's most worrysome -- that they'll lash out and try to harm others.  Because make no mistake, these people are radicalized.  Politics has become a religion to them, and they're fundamentalist about it.  They've been crazy enough to put all their faith into someone as ridiculously unworthy of anyone's faith as Donald Trump, and they're not going to be able to handle it when they're proven to be gullible idiots.  There's gonna be some kind of societal strife out of this, I'm just not sure what.

That's part of the reason that I hope Trump's not removed from office this way.  He needs to be voted out, in disgrace, by overwhelming numbers.  The people who've been emboldened by him need to have it made clear to them that they've been rejected by the vast majority of their countrymen, and the shit they've been proudly flaunting for the past couple-er-three years is stuff they'd be far better off being ashamed of.






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107Trump Articles of Impeachment - Page 5 Empty Re: Trump Articles of Impeachment on 11/20/2019, 12:25 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Trump ordered Ukraine ‘quid pro quo’ through Giuliani, key witness Sondland testifies

KEY POINTS

U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland testifies in a House impeachment inquiry hearing that President Donald Trump directed his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to pursue a “quid pro quo.”

“Mr. Giuliani’s requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit” for Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, Sondland says in an opening statement provided by his lawyer to CNBC.

“Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the President of the United States, and we knew that these investigations were important to the President,” according to Sondland’s statement.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/20/trump-ordered-ukraine-quid-pro-quo-through-giuliani-key-witness-sondland-testifies.html

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108Trump Articles of Impeachment - Page 5 Empty Re: Trump Articles of Impeachment on 11/20/2019, 12:51 pm

zsomething


It's getting interesting watching Trump's dead-enders still trying to pretend this is a "witch hunt" and that he did nothing wrong. It's like watching Squeaky Fromme insist that "Charlie is Jesus." There's just a total disconnect from reality there.

What's crazy is that they're trying to demonize witnesses to do it. Conservatives have a nasty history of mocking military heroes when it suits them ( remember these? http://www.bartcop.com/purple-heart-band-aid.jpg ), but they're finding new lows with that now. It's not very smart tactics, scorching a lot of earth they'll be sorry for torching later, all on behalf the guy who's destroying their party. They're extremely short-sighted and gutless, more afraid of having Trump post a "mean tweet" about them than they are of their long-term existence. They're extremely cynical about their base, thinking they can abuse them without any consequences. And they may well be justified in that, who knows? That base does put up with a lot. No pride.

109Trump Articles of Impeachment - Page 5 Empty Re: Trump Articles of Impeachment on 11/22/2019, 12:44 pm

zsomething




Pretty good explanation of how the right's addiction to crazy conspiracy theories is starting to bite them in the ass.

Conservatives run on propaganda... because, honestly, what else do they have? Bragging on the success of their policies in Alabama and Kentucky? Smile So they do the old church-thang, faith-over-reason, start-with-the-desired-outcome-and-try-to-twist-reality-to-fit-it. And they've gotten hooked on that like smack. FOX fills them full of brainwarp and they feel comforted by it and actually start believing it... and now Trump, a clueless-idiot's-clueless-idiot, has actually started believing this "Crowdstrike/Biden/etc." bullshit (because it's so attractive to him, even if it's not true... he wants to believe it so bad), and he's started acting on it. And his chase of hogwash to prove something that didn't happen has gotten him in for-real trouble.

Yep, the "fake news" is working against Trump, all right... but it's his own fake news and his foolishness for believing it. And his followers are so divorced from reality at this point that they can't even really work up good defenses... they just keep attacking things that don't exist and it only makes them look crazier, and crazier, and crazier.

110Trump Articles of Impeachment - Page 5 Empty Re: Trump Articles of Impeachment on 11/23/2019, 1:35 pm

Sal

Sal
Pompeo and Nunes have been implicated.

Let the investigations continue.

111Trump Articles of Impeachment - Page 5 Empty Re: Trump Articles of Impeachment on 12/3/2019, 1:43 pm

zsomething


Well, we don't even have to worry about impeaching him for abuse of power in his bribe-taking from the Ukranians... Trump is now bragging, at the NATO summit, that he's committed war crimes:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1201905571324149760

"We have taken the oil. I've taken the oil. We should have done it in other locations, frankly, where we were. I can name four of them right now, but we've taken the oil ... our great soldiers are right around the oil where we've got the oil."

It's not the first time Trump's claimed to have pillaged oil, either. This vid's from around a week ago:



O' course, Donald Trump said it so it's likely not true, and that'll be the only thing that saves his dumb ass. But the man's so crooked that he doesn't even know what's a crime and what isn't.

Luckily for him, neither do most of his slow-gear followers.

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