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26No Country for Old Moderates - Page 2 Empty Re: No Country for Old Moderates on 8/15/2019, 1:08 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
zsomething wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
The Democratic Middle Already Lost to Trump Once.  Do We Really Want This to Happen Again?

I would argue that the Democratic Middle lost to Trump (on an electoral college technicality that we really need to do away with in the future - it's nonrepresentative of public will) by a far narrower margin than a far-left candidate would have.  Scumdog Bernie got stomped like the doormat on a muddy day in the primary, and half his support was from caucus states (another outdated, nonrepresentative thing we need to do away with), so it continues to mystify me why people maintain this fantasy that he'd have had a better chance.  He couldn't win among Democrats, so how's he gonna win in the world at large?  It's ridiculous.

It's possible that a far-left candidate could win, but this still remains a fact that'd have to be overcome:  https://news.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

What really got us Trump is Bernie purists who pouted their way through the election and sat home or voted Jill Stein because they thought the democratic process of selecting a candidate was "cheating."  Bernie got us Trump, far more than anyone else did.  And I'm still hoping he either drops out of the race soon, or I'd be fine with it if the overrated simp just fucking dies.   I'm fine with Warren because she actually has plans that aren't just hippie fantasies (I still don't think some of them would be workable, but at least she's actually thinking rather than just dreaming), but Bernie's a burden and a liability who's still dividing our side, just for the sake of his own overinflated ego.   The man also bores the shit out of me -- I don't think he has much more of a vocabulary than Trump.  They're both like See 'n' Says -- no matter where you spin the arrow, when you pull the string you're going to hear one of about eight things, guaranteed.

A complete lack of self-awareness as to the dem primary last time with regards to Bernie...
and what exactly the left has become. Only a few years ago Obama's illegal immigration policy was exactly trump's policy... except more aggressive.

27No Country for Old Moderates - Page 2 Empty Re: No Country for Old Moderates on 8/15/2019, 2:28 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
PkrBum wrote:
zsomething wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
The Democratic Middle Already Lost to Trump Once.  Do We Really Want This to Happen Again?

I would argue that the Democratic Middle lost to Trump (on an electoral college technicality that we really need to do away with in the future - it's nonrepresentative of public will) by a far narrower margin than a far-left candidate would have.  Scumdog Bernie got stomped like the doormat on a muddy day in the primary, and half his support was from caucus states (another outdated, nonrepresentative thing we need to do away with), so it continues to mystify me why people maintain this fantasy that he'd have had a better chance.  He couldn't win among Democrats, so how's he gonna win in the world at large?  It's ridiculous.

It's possible that a far-left candidate could win, but this still remains a fact that'd have to be overcome:  https://news.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

What really got us Trump is Bernie purists who pouted their way through the election and sat home or voted Jill Stein because they thought the democratic process of selecting a candidate was "cheating."  Bernie got us Trump, far more than anyone else did.  And I'm still hoping he either drops out of the race soon, or I'd be fine with it if the overrated simp just fucking dies.   I'm fine with Warren because she actually has plans that aren't just hippie fantasies (I still don't think some of them would be workable, but at least she's actually thinking rather than just dreaming), but Bernie's a burden and a liability who's still dividing our side, just for the sake of his own overinflated ego.   The man also bores the shit out of me -- I don't think he has much more of a vocabulary than Trump.  They're both like See 'n' Says -- no matter where you spin the arrow, when you pull the string you're going to hear one of about eight things, guaranteed.

A complete lack of self-awareness as to the dem primary last time with regards to Bernie...
and what exactly the left has become. Only a few years ago Obama's illegal immigration policy was exactly trump's policy... except more aggressive.




You're a damn liar.

28No Country for Old Moderates - Page 2 Empty Re: No Country for Old Moderates on 8/15/2019, 2:57 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
Floridatexan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
zsomething wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
The Democratic Middle Already Lost to Trump Once.  Do We Really Want This to Happen Again?

I would argue that the Democratic Middle lost to Trump (on an electoral college technicality that we really need to do away with in the future - it's nonrepresentative of public will) by a far narrower margin than a far-left candidate would have.  Scumdog Bernie got stomped like the doormat on a muddy day in the primary, and half his support was from caucus states (another outdated, nonrepresentative thing we need to do away with), so it continues to mystify me why people maintain this fantasy that he'd have had a better chance.  He couldn't win among Democrats, so how's he gonna win in the world at large?  It's ridiculous.

It's possible that a far-left candidate could win, but this still remains a fact that'd have to be overcome:  https://news.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

What really got us Trump is Bernie purists who pouted their way through the election and sat home or voted Jill Stein because they thought the democratic process of selecting a candidate was "cheating."  Bernie got us Trump, far more than anyone else did.  And I'm still hoping he either drops out of the race soon, or I'd be fine with it if the overrated simp just fucking dies.   I'm fine with Warren because she actually has plans that aren't just hippie fantasies (I still don't think some of them would be workable, but at least she's actually thinking rather than just dreaming), but Bernie's a burden and a liability who's still dividing our side, just for the sake of his own overinflated ego.   The man also bores the shit out of me -- I don't think he has much more of a vocabulary than Trump.  They're both like See 'n' Says -- no matter where you spin the arrow, when you pull the string you're going to hear one of about eight things, guaranteed.

A complete lack of self-awareness as to the dem primary last time with regards to Bernie...
and what exactly the left has become. Only a few years ago Obama's illegal immigration policy was exactly trump's policy... except more aggressive.



You're a damn liar.

And you're a useful idiot.

https://www.apnews.com/cc72546e934b462ea4243cf19770516d

https://www.axios.com/immigration-ice-deportation-trump-obama-a72a0a44-540d-46bc-a671-cd65cf72f4b1.html



Have you figured out that you're for open borders yet?

You'll find out from your leftist ruling elite soon enough.

29No Country for Old Moderates - Page 2 Empty Re: No Country for Old Moderates on 8/15/2019, 3:26 pm

Sal

Sal
Obama's record on immigration over the southern border and deportation policies was not great, but Trump has made the problem exponentially worse.

To understand this you would have to have knowledge of the continuing effects of Trump's brutal zero tolerance policy and family separation (unbelievably, the government still doesn't have a complete count of children separated from their parents), the effects of dismantling the Flores Settlement and the rescinding of all policies including the Morton memos, and the malevolent "stay in Mexico" policy that forces asylum seekers to live for months in squalid and dangerous conditions with no legal counsel.

Cruelty is the point of all of this.

Of course, you're not aware of any of it because you are an ignoramus.

30No Country for Old Moderates - Page 2 Empty Re: No Country for Old Moderates on 8/15/2019, 6:16 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
A third of the children trafficked across our border are not related to the adults accompanying them. Would you prefer them turned over to the traffickers like Obama did? You don't know shit about illegal immigration, sex trafficking, or the criminal cartels exploiting the weakness you facilitate. You must think that trump is inviting the record numbers of illegal aliens. Wrong poindexter. It's the leftists inviting them with weak borders and an ever expanding welfare state. You're to blame.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-obama-administration-children-human-traffickers/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/dna-tests-reveal-30-of-suspected-fraudulent-migrant-families-were-unrelated

Still haven't figured out that you're for open borders yet useful idiot?

31No Country for Old Moderates - Page 2 Empty Re: No Country for Old Moderates on 8/15/2019, 8:14 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
Calls everyone else "useful idiots". Posts links to Fox and the Washington Examiner.

32No Country for Old Moderates - Page 2 Empty Re: No Country for Old Moderates on 8/16/2019, 7:03 am

PkrBum

PkrBum
Those are objective empirical facts. I wouldn't expect you to understand. Not found on koz, slate, msnbc... etc.

33No Country for Old Moderates - Page 2 Empty Re: No Country for Old Moderates on 8/16/2019, 8:15 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
PkrBum wrote:Those are objective empirical facts. I wouldn't expect you to understand. Not found on koz, slate, msnbc... etc.

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34No Country for Old Moderates - Page 2 Empty Re: No Country for Old Moderates on 8/16/2019, 4:29 pm

Sal

Sal
Sleepy Joe ....

Allies to Joe Biden have been floating the idea of altering the former vice president's schedule in an effort to reduce the gaffes he has made in recent days.

The allies, growing increasingly nervous about Biden's verbal flubs, have said it's an approach that's been suggested to campaign officials on the heels of the former vice president’s stumbles.

Biden has a tendency to make the blunders late in the day, his allies say, particularly after a long swing on the road, like he had last week in Iowa. They say something needs to be done to give the candidate more down time as the campaign intensifies in the fall.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/457486-biden-allies-float-scaling-back-events-to-limit-gaffes

35No Country for Old Moderates - Page 2 Empty Re: No Country for Old Moderates on 8/16/2019, 5:31 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
I like Joe... but this was inevitable. It's who he is... maybe a little worse for age.

36No Country for Old Moderates - Page 2 Empty Re: No Country for Old Moderates on 8/16/2019, 6:17 pm

Telstar

Telstar
PkrBum wrote:I like Joe... but this was inevitable. It's who he is... maybe a little worse for age.



Everyone knows what you like.


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37No Country for Old Moderates - Page 2 Empty Re: No Country for Old Moderates on 8/19/2019, 12:25 pm

Sal

Sal
White House hopeful Joe Biden doubled down on his vow to cooperate with Republicans should he be elected president, saying he successfully worked across the aisle as vice president.

“There’s an awful lot of really good Republicans out there,” he said Saturday at a Massachusetts fundraiser. “I get in trouble for saying that with Democrats, but the truth of the matter is, every time we ever got in trouble with our administration, remember who got sent up to Capitol Hill to fix it? Me. Because they know I respect the other team.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/457838-biden-theres-an-awful-lot-of-really-good-republicans-out-there

That is some GRADE A bullshit, right there.

I get it that he thinks it's good strategy for the general, but that's not gonna sell in a contested primary.

He didn't get sent up to the Hill to fix jack shit, because the Repukes didn't want anything fixed.  They were absolute bomb-throwing obstructionists then, and it's only gotten worse since.  Anything the Obama administration accomplished they did despite Repuke resistance.

If he has the gall to try to trot out that happy horseshit on the primary debate stage, a gold star to the first candidate who responds, "And, that's why Merrick Garland is on the Supreme Court today.  Thanks, Joe!".

38No Country for Old Moderates - Page 2 Empty Re: No Country for Old Moderates on 8/19/2019, 1:23 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
Sal wrote:White House hopeful Joe Biden doubled down on his vow to cooperate with Republicans should he be elected president, saying he successfully worked across the aisle as vice president.

“There’s an awful lot of really good Republicans out there,” he said Saturday at a Massachusetts fundraiser. “I get in trouble for saying that with Democrats, but the truth of the matter is, every time we ever got in trouble with our administration, remember who got sent up to Capitol Hill to fix it? Me. Because they know I respect the other team.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/457838-biden-theres-an-awful-lot-of-really-good-republicans-out-there

That is some GRADE A bullshit, right there.

I get it that he thinks it's good strategy for the general, but that's not gonna sell in a contested primary.

He didn't get sent up to the Hill to fix jack shit, because the Repukes didn't want anything fixed.  They were absolute bomb-throwing obstructionists then, and it's only gotten worse since.  Anything the Obama administration accomplished they did despite Repuke resistance.

If he has the gall to try to trot out that happy horseshit on the primary debate stage, a gold star to the first candidate who responds, "And, that's why Merrick Garland is on the Supreme Court today.  Thanks, Joe!".

I was appalled at the "reach across the aisle" strategy after President Obama was sworn. Now it's much clearer why that happened.

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