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Imagine the 2020 General Election

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othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Donnie (as Texas blue dot calls him) would love to run against a socialist. Since most Americans don't know the difference between a socialist and a polygamist, this would be an easy target for Donnie to hit.

Picture, if you will, Donnie on stage ranting at voters to not turn the good ol' USA into a Socialist State. The crowd would go ballistic! This is what we'd have if someone like Bernie were to become the nominee.

How would he run against the other hopefuls? How would he go after Booker, Harris, Klobachar, Beto? How would he label them? What names would he call them? How would he vilify them?

I'm thinking Pete Buttigieg would be difficult for Donnie to run against. Why? He's an avowed capitalist. He can't be bullied about being gay without creating a backlash within the Democratic voters. The R's who are anti-gay would already be in Donnie's pocket so there is no downside. Mayor Pete is thoughtful and well spoken AND he has emotional appeal because of his honesty and straight talk.

I like the thought of Donnie having to run against a woman too. That would really push his buttons. The primaries are underway. We have to get this right or it will be a repeat of Nixon's victory and hopefully Donnie's impeachment/conviction shortly into his second term but then the Republicans would still have the WH in the form of Pence or someone like him.

We have to get this right.


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zsomething



Yep.

So far, Bernie's the only one we're running who I know Trump would beat.

The others would all give him trouble in one way or another.

I'm wanting to see more out of Beto. So far, he's been a little anticlimactic... I was expecting him to be a big front-runner right out of the gate.

Buttigeig is very impressive, getting noticed early. If he keeps that up, he's going to be a force to be reckoned with. He's even impressing to a lot of Republicans, many of which are embarrassed by what their party's turned into and are looking for some acceptable way out.

Elizabeth Warren's been doing a great job in town halls but so far it doesn't seem to have been noticed much.

I like Biden, but he's dragging his feet... and even though Trump is a walking gaffe and should neutralize Biden's tendencies for them, so far the double-standard for Democrats is still in place. Any tiny thing they say will be pointed out and questioned for weeks, by both sides, while Trump can "grab 'em by the pussy" and people just shrug.

Harris is also impressive, but so far hasn't caught fire. But, she'd slaughter Trump in debates. I've seen that woman interrogate people and it is terrifying. Might as well douse Trump in steak sauce and roll him into a lion's cage as debate her.

Klobuchar could be gaining ground with moderates... which is crucial.

In any case, I like our bench so far. 'Cept Bernie, who I wish would just get lost. It's not just that Bernie is damaging the party, it's his damn idiot followers. They're complete cultists and don't understand strategy or reason. They give me the creeps almost as much as the MAGA-maggots.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

zsomething wrote:Yep.

So far, Bernie's the only one we're running who I know Trump would beat.  

The others would all give him trouble in one way or another.

I'm wanting to see more out of Beto.   So far, he's been a little anticlimactic... I was expecting him to be a big front-runner right out of the gate.

Buttigeig is very impressive, getting noticed early.  If he keeps that up, he's going to be a force to be reckoned with.  He's even impressing to a lot of Republicans, many of which are embarrassed by what their party's turned into and are looking for some acceptable way out.

Elizabeth Warren's been doing a great job in town halls but so far it doesn't seem to have been noticed much.  

I like Biden, but he's dragging his feet... and even though Trump is a walking gaffe and should neutralize Biden's tendencies for them, so far the double-standard for Democrats is still in place.   Any tiny thing they say will be pointed out and questioned for weeks, by both sides, while Trump can "grab 'em by the pussy" and people just shrug.

Harris is also impressive, but so far hasn't caught fire.  But, she'd slaughter Trump in debates.  I've seen that woman interrogate people and it is terrifying.   Might as well douse Trump in steak sauce and roll him into a lion's cage as debate her.

Klobuchar could be gaining ground with moderates... which is crucial.

In any case, I like our bench so far.  'Cept Bernie, who I wish would just get lost.   It's not just that Bernie is damaging the party, it's his damn idiot followers.   They're complete cultists and don't understand strategy or reason.  They give me the creeps almost as much as the MAGA-maggots.


Echo that. Confounding about the double standard for Dems. Yes, of course that would be expected re the party that touted itself to be the one that stood up for "family values" and other such claims, but Dems never did that sort of thing and yet, here we are. How did this get set up? There must be some mechanism in play that I am not seeing? Maybe it has something to do with them claiming to be the "keepers of the morals" and so proclaim themselves to be worthy judges of everyone else?

Another thing that's bothering me about Bernie this time around is that he's not a Democrat, yet horns in on our party at will. How does that happen? Why doesn't he just join the party? What's wrong with being a Democrat in Vermont?

zsomething



othershoe1030 wrote:

Echo that. Confounding about the double standard for Dems. Yes, of course that would be expected re the party that touted itself to be the one that stood up for "family values" and other such claims, but Dems never did that sort of thing and yet, here we are. How did this get set up? There must be some mechanism in play that I am not seeing? Maybe it has something to do with them claiming to be the "keepers of the morals" and so proclaim themselves to be worthy judges of everyone else?

Another thing that's bothering me about Bernie this time around is that he's not a Democrat, yet horns in on our party at will. How does that happen? Why doesn't he just join the party? What's wrong with being a Democrat in Vermont?


Bernie's an old hippie... and here's a thing I've learned through a lot of dealing with 'em: hippies never really stand for anything that they'll end up having to be responsible for. That's why no Dem who can ever actually win will pass a hippie-purity test, because if they actually won, then they'd prove to be imperfect. They back causes that'll never actually take place (and thus possibly fail or not prove great), they back candidates who won't win. They don't really do anything except complain, wait for things to happen, and then -- if the thing is good -- take credit for them, or -- if they're bad -- claim "it would have worked out better if we'd done it our way." This is how hippies "stopped the Vietnam war" and also claim "not nominating Bernie is why Hillary lost."

Bernie doesn't want to claim to be a Democrat because he doesn't want to have to be responsible for any Democratic failures... and that's all guys like Bernie see: failure, blame, shame. They'll forego credit for the good things, claiming the good things "would have been even better if it was done our way."

Bernie basically only claims to be a Dem once in a while because he knows that he'd never get enough attention running as an independent. He wouldn't get on a debate stage and he wouldn't have access to the DNC's mailing list. Hippies are great freeloaders... they're always ready to extend a hand, as soon as you've got something to put in it. They like to "share."

For some reason, some Dems are fine with him scorning their brand except when he wants to freeload from them. Why, I don't know. If someone doesn't want to claim association with me until it serves their purposes, I'm not too thrilled about having 'em. But, that's Bernie.

I've been watching his followers and a lot of 'em are just really very silly people. Today one of 'em was gushing that a ten-year-old little girl encapsulated Bernie's policies. And I'm like, "Well, that's cute... but it kinda just shows how childish and simpleminded Bernie's approach to policy is." The girl actually seemed to have more detail in her plans than he does.

They also love to think that Bernie charms birds out of the sky because one landed on his podium once. It's just loopy. I think if Charles Manson were still cruising the Haight, Bernie supporters would be filling up his bus for him. They buy into anything.

dumpcare



zsomething wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:

Echo that. Confounding about the double standard for Dems. Yes, of course that would be expected re the party that touted itself to be the one that stood up for "family values" and other such claims, but Dems never did that sort of thing and yet, here we are. How did this get set up? There must be some mechanism in play that I am not seeing? Maybe it has something to do with them claiming to be the "keepers of the morals" and so proclaim themselves to be worthy judges of everyone else?

Another thing that's bothering me about Bernie this time around is that he's not a Democrat, yet horns in on our party at will. How does that happen? Why doesn't he just join the party? What's wrong with being a Democrat in Vermont?


Bernie's an old hippie... and here's a thing I've learned through a lot of dealing with 'em: hippies never really stand for anything that they'll end up having to be responsible for.  That's why no Dem who can ever actually win will pass a hippie-purity test, because if they actually won, then they'd prove to be imperfect.   They back causes that'll never actually take place (and thus possibly fail or not prove great), they back candidates who won't win.  They don't really do anything except complain, wait for things to happen, and then -- if the thing is good -- take credit for them, or -- if they're bad -- claim "it would have worked out better if we'd done it our way."     This is how hippies "stopped the Vietnam war" and also claim "not nominating Bernie is why Hillary lost."

Bernie doesn't want to claim to be a Democrat because he doesn't want to have to be responsible for any Democratic failures... and that's all guys like Bernie see:  failure, blame, shame.  They'll forego credit for the good things, claiming the good things "would have been even better if it was done our way."

Bernie basically only claims to be a Dem once in a while because he knows that he'd never get enough attention running as an independent.  He wouldn't get on a debate stage and he wouldn't have access to the DNC's mailing list. Hippies are great freeloaders... they're always ready to extend a hand, as soon as you've got something to put in it.  They like to "share."  

For some reason, some Dems are fine with him scorning their brand except when he wants to freeload from them.   Why, I don't know.  If someone doesn't want to claim association with me until it serves their purposes, I'm not too thrilled about having 'em.  But, that's Bernie.

I've been watching his followers and a lot of 'em are just really very silly people.  Today one of 'em was gushing that a ten-year-old little girl encapsulated Bernie's policies.   And I'm like, "Well, that's cute... but it kinda just shows how childish and simpleminded Bernie's approach to policy is."  The girl actually seemed to have more detail in her plans than he does.  

They also love to think that Bernie charms birds out of the sky because one landed on his podium once.  It's just loopy.   I think if Charles Manson were still cruising the Haight, Bernie supporters would be filling up his bus for him.   They buy into anything.

Thought I'd sign in for this one after a long absence. I have listened to Mayor Pete on tv and FB pages and I like him. If anyone wins the nomination other than him I simply will not vote for a President on the ballot. I cannot stand trump and don't really care for any of the other dem candidates.

I probably will end up voting for no one because if he even gets close they will rip him to shreds with his sexual preference. The DNC better look close at him, so far I have not seen him call for reparations or Medicare for all and he is a capitalist.

zsomething



dumpcare wrote:

Thought I'd sign in for this one after a long absence. I have listened to Mayor Pete on tv and FB pages and I like him. If anyone wins the nomination other than him I simply will not vote for a President on the ballot. I cannot stand trump and don't really care for any of the other dem candidates.

I probably will end up voting for no one because if he even gets close they will rip him to shreds with his sexual preference. The DNC better look close at him, so far I have not seen him call for reparations or Medicare for all and he is a capitalist.

It'd be crazy to not vote for whoever the Dem candidate is. Even if you don't like the Dem, vote to get Trump out of there.

At this point, I hate Bernie Sanders maybe more than anybody except Trump... and I'll still show up and vote for him if I have to, just to keep Trump out of there. I think Bernie would be a disaster as president (he knows about as much about economics as the average cocker spaniel does), but Trump has us headed where Germany was going in the 30's, and it's important to curtail that no matter who the Dems nominate. We don't have the luxury of not voting anymore...

RealLindaL



zsomething wrote:
dumpcare wrote:

Thought I'd sign in for this one after a long absence. I have listened to Mayor Pete on tv and FB pages and I like him. If anyone wins the nomination other than him I simply will not vote for a President on the ballot. I cannot stand trump and don't really care for any of the other dem candidates.

I probably will end up voting for no one because if he even gets close they will rip him to shreds with his sexual preference. The DNC better look close at him, so far I have not seen him call for reparations or Medicare for all and he is a capitalist.

It'd be crazy to not vote for whoever the Dem candidate is.  Even if you don't like the Dem, vote to get Trump out of there.

At this point, I hate Bernie Sanders maybe more than anybody except Trump... and I'll still show up and vote for him if I have to, just to keep Trump out of there.   I think Bernie would be a disaster as president  (he knows about as much about economics as the average cocker spaniel does), but Trump has us headed where Germany was going in the 30's, and it's important to curtail that no matter who the Dems nominate.  We don't have the luxury of not voting anymore...

Dump, he's right. Please, whatever you do, DON'T SIT THIS OUT. It's far too critically important to our nation's future to get Donald Trump the hell outta there! Seriously.

Great to hear from you, btw. Hope you stick around.

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