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Why Is Trump Spouting Russian Propaganda?

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The president’s endorsement of the U.S.S.R.’s invasion of Afghanistan echoes a narrative promoted by Vladimir Putin.

10:28 AM ET

David Frum
Staff writer at The Atlantic

It was only one moment in a 90-minute stream of madness.

President Donald Trump convened a Cabinet meeting, at which he invited all its members to praise him for his stance on the border wall and the government shutdown. There’s always a lively competition to see which member of the Cabinet can grovel most abjectly. The newcomer Matthew Whitaker may be only the acting attorney general, but despite—or perhaps because of—that tentative status, he delivered one of the strongest entries, saluting the president for sacrificing his Christmas and New Year’s holiday for the public good, and contrasting that to members of Congress who had left Washington during the Trump-created crisis.

But that was not the crazy part.

The crazy part came during the president’s monologue defending his decision to withdraw all 2,000 U.S. troops from Syria and 7,000 from Afghanistan, about half the force in that country.

“Russia used to be the Soviet Union,” he said.

Afghanistan made it Russia, because they went bankrupt fighting in Afghanistan. Russia … the reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there. The problem is, it was a tough fight. And literally they went bankrupt; they went into being called Russia again, as opposed to the Soviet Union. You know, a lot of these places you’re reading about now are no longer part of Russia, because of Afghanistan.

Let’s go to the replay:

The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there.

To appreciate the shock value of Trump’s words, it’s necessary to dust off some Cold War history. Those of us who grew up in the last phases of the Cold War used to know it all by heart, but I admit I had to do a little Googling to refresh my faded memories.

Through the 1970s, Afghanistan had been governed by a president who was friendly to the Soviet Union, but it was not reliably under Soviet control. That president, Mohammad Daoud Khan, became convinced that the local Communists were plotting against him. He struck first, assassinating one Communist leader in April 1978, and arresting others.

Instead of preventing the plot, this coup-from-above triggered it. In April 1978, the Communists—enabled by their strong presence in Afghanistan’s Soviet-trained military—seized power.

The new regime launched an ambitious modernizing agenda: women’s rights, land reform, secularization. That project went about as well as expected. While the Communists appealed to a small, educated elite in Kabul, they offended the ultraconservative countryside. Violent guerrilla resistance gathered. The guerrillas called themselves “mujahideen,” holy warriors. The Kabul government dismissed them as “bandit elements” and “terrorists.”

By the end of 1979, the Kabul-based Communist government was teetering, nearing collapse. The Soviet authorities in Moscow blamed the incompetence, corruption, and internecine violence of their local allies. In December 1979, they overthrew and killed the then-Communist leader, installed somebody more compliant, and deployed 85,000 troops to enforce their rule over the countryside. The Soviets had expected a brief, decisive intervention like those in Prague in 1968 or Budapest in 1956. Instead, the war turned into a grinding Vietnam-in-reverse. The Soviets withdrew, defeated, in 1989.

Here’s why Trump’s lopsided view of this story is so telling. Inflicting that defeat on the U.S.S.R. was a major bipartisan foreign-policy priority of the 1980s. The policy was designed by Jimmy Carter’s national-security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and executed by the Reagan administration.

It’s amazing enough that any U.S. president would retrospectively endorse the Soviet invasion. What’s even more amazing is that he would do so using the very same falsehoods originally invoked by the Soviets themselves: “terrorists” and “bandit elements.”

It has been an important ideological project of the Putin regime to rehabilitate and justify the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. Putin does not care so much about Afghanistan, but he cares a lot about the image of the U.S.S.R. In 2005, Putin described the collapse of the Soviet Union as (depending on your preferred translation) “the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century” or “a major geopolitical disaster of the 20th century”—but clearly a thing very much to be regretted.

The war in Afghanistan helped bring about that collapse, not because it bankrupted the Soviet regime—that was an effect of the break in the price of oil after 1985—but because it forced a reckoning between the Soviet regime and Soviet society. As casualties mounted, as soldiers returned home addicted to heroin, Soviet citizens began demanding the right to speak the truth, not only about the war in Afghanistan, but about all Soviet reality.

It’s fitting that Putin’s campaign to reimpose official lying would culminate in a glorification of the catastrophic Afghanistan war. And clearly, that campaign has swayed the mind of the president of the United States.

As of mid-morning on January 3, the day after the president’s repetition of Soviet-Putinist propaganda in the Cabinet room, there has been no attempt by the White House to tidy things up: no presidential tweet, no corrective statement. The president’s usual defenders—Sean Hannity, Fox & Friends, the anti-anti-Trump Twitter chorus—have likewise ignored the whole matter. They’re back to denouncing the Steele dossier, fulminating against Mueller, and reprising the Clinton-email drama. There’s apparently nothing they can think of to say in exoneration or excuse.

Putin-style glorification of the Soviet regime is entering the mind of the president, inspiring his words and—who knows—perhaps shaping his actions. How that propaganda is reaching him—by which channels, via which persons—seems an important if not urgent question. But maybe what happened yesterday does not raise questions. Maybe it inadvertently reveals answers.


DAVID FRUM is a staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic. In 2001 and 2002, he was a speechwriter for President George W. Bush.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/trump-just-endorsed-ussrs-invasion-afghanistan/579361/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_term=2019-01-03T15%3A28%3A44&utm_content=edit-promo&fbclid=IwAR087Q9448QizZcqg8QtBKsAgKrQWU-FUzlg_GiPPQEJC1GZBiWlCmjofdk&fbclid=IwAR3l8TgizAjTnY8fVyct_-3nLxjCpGpgwPKFtiJsllHi7ExT75gRWc2qID8

zsomething





"Arrest the president
You got the evidence
That ****** is Russian intelligence."

It's scary but it's also amusing to watch people who revere Ronald Reagan now breaking their backs to try to support a guy who's completely doing Vladimir Putin's bidding. They flat-out sold out because they're stupid and are incapable of thinking for themselves, so they just do what FOX News tells 'em.

Apparently now Trump's running around with his "lover" Kim's nice letter, trying to make people read it. It's pitiful. Little piddling dog rolling over and showing his belly to anybody who'll talk sweet to him. I don't know exactly what that man's daddy did to him but it broke him up inside like a frickin' model kit.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

zsomething wrote:

"Arrest the president
You got the evidence
That ****** is Russian intelligence."

It's scary but it's also amusing to watch people who revere Ronald Reagan now breaking their backs to try to support a guy who's completely doing Vladimir Putin's bidding.   They flat-out sold out because they're stupid and are incapable of thinking for themselves, so they just do what FOX News tells 'em.  

Apparently now Trump's running around with his "lover" Kim's nice letter, trying to make people read it.  It's pitiful.  Little piddling dog rolling over and showing his belly to anybody who'll talk sweet to him.   I don't know exactly what that man's daddy did to him but it broke him up inside like a frickin' model kit.

My birthday is the day after Drumpf's, and I have a young friend whose birthday is the day before his. We independently agreed that Drumpf killed off the good twin and sent him back into the vortex, leaving the evil twin to wreak havoc.

zsomething



A similar article on Trump's crazy Afghanistan claim, also good:

https://www.macleans.ca/news/world/the-terrifying-depths-of-donald-trumps-ignorance-in-a-single-quote/

We’re now at the half-way mark of Donald Trump’s term in the White House, and the relentless hum of his casual imbecilities, obscenities, banalities and outright fabrications has become so routine to the world’s daily dread that it is now just background noise in the ever-louder bedlam of America’s dystopian, freak-show political culture.

And yet, now and again, just when you think the president has scraped his fingers raw in the muck at the bottom of stupidity’s deep barrel, the man somehow manages to out-beclown himself. Such was the case this week, in a ramble of fatuous illiteracy that should drive home the point, to all of us, that the Office of the President of the United States of America is currently occupied by a genuinely dangerous maniac.

At a press briefing at the end of a cabinet meeting on Wednesday, Trump sat at a long table with a huge faux Game of Thrones television-series poster, featuring an image of himself taking up the whole thing, splayed out on the table in front of him.

In the course of contradicting himself—or maybe not, it’s hard to say—on the matter of if and when he intends to withdraw U.S. troops from the 79-member anti-ISIS coalition (“Syria was lost long ago … we’re talking about sand and death”), Trump muttered something about Iranian forces in Syria being at liberty to do as they please. “They can do what they want there, frankly,” he said. Unsurprisingly, upon hearing the news of what certainly sounded like an abrupt and dramatic shift in U.S. policy, Israeli officials were reported to be in shock.

But then the subject turned to Afghanistan, and Trump’s fervent wish to withdraw American troops from the 39-nation military coalition there—down from 59 nations, at its height—which is currently battling a resurgent Taliban that has been emboldened by American dithering generally, and specifically by Trump’s oft-repeated intent to get shut of Afghanistan and walk away from the place altogether.

Trump mocked India—a highly-valued friend of Afghanistan and contributor of $3 billion in infrastructure and community-development funding—with a weird reference to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi “constantly telling me he built a library in Afghanistan.” Officials in Modi’s office say nobody knows what the hell Trump was talking about. Then Trump complained that Pakistan—a duplicitous enemy of Afghan sovereignty and a notoriously persistent haven-provider and incubator of Taliban terrorism—isn’t making a sufficient military commitment to Afghanistan. Which made absolutely no sense.


After the Soviets finally pulled out, the “war weary” Americans happily abandoned Afghanistan to civil war and anarchy. The Taliban moved in, al-Qaeda moved in, the twin towers fell in New York, and that’s why all those American soldiers are still in Afghanistan. And Donald Trump doesn’t have a clue.

Trump has now lost Gen. James Mattis, his defence secretary, after Mattis made it plain he simply could not abide service to an idiot president any longer. Trump has lost John Kelly, the White House chief of staff, and H.R, McMaster, his national security adviser. The “adults in the room” are gone.

Following the Republican losses in the mid-term elections, the Democrats are now in the majority in the House of Representatives. They took over this week. That might help matters, but unless something miraculously fortuitous happens, there are two years yet to come in Trump’s term of office.

May God in his mercy look down on us all.


The "Game of Thrones" poster and the Kim letter and all the rest of it make one thing clear: Trump doesn't understand (or have any interest in) anything but TV. To him, being president is just a PR thing. Your policies don't matter, what you do has no real consequence other than to the "plot," and nothing matters but ratings. Are you keeping the audience's interest? Then you're doing great! He doesn't care if he's incompetent, as long as he's not boring.

Because he doesn't understand reality, at all.

People really want a boring president. Just somebody who does all that dull legislative work, keeps everything running, and who you maybe agree with and maybe don't but don't really have to be preoccupied with. Trump can't stand that idea, though. He thinks he's a star and it's all a show and doesn't really get that anything has repercussions, because he's been kept in a bubble of privilege his whole life.

When Trump finally got around to visiting troops a couple weeks ago, he was really scared and irritated that they had to turn the lights out in the plane before they landed, as a safety precaution. He'd never heard of such a thing, and to him that was like flying coach or something... just an unthinkable inconvenience, and terrifying that there might actually be some real threat to him... in a war zone. He thinks it's all a movie set.

I think reality's going to set in before too long, with this new congress, and Trump's absolutely not going to know how to handle it. Sean Hannity's trying his ham-headed best to protect him, but a clock's running.

Deus X

Deus X

zsomething wrote:   They flat-out sold out because they're stupid and are incapable of thinking for themselves, so they just do what FOX News tells 'em.  

How do you explain the MILLIONS of Obama/Obama/Trump voters? And let's not forget that HALF the population is on the left side of the Bell Curve, fercryinoutloud! Mere stupidity doesn't explain it.

Telstar

Telstar

He knows that glibturds get a hard on with all things GOT, thus the stupid poster. It would appeal to them even more if he was snorting crystal meth in the poster.

polecat

polecat

Why Is Trump Spouting Russian Propaganda? Dv8g1u10



gatorfan



Telstar wrote:He knows that glibturds get a hard on with all things GOT, thus the stupid poster. It would appeal to them even more if he was snorting crystal meth in the poster.

Wrong again. As usual.

"According to YouGov Profiles, Game of Thrones fans are more likely to be male, urban, Democrats and are more likely to work in politics or government. They have higher than average annual incomes. Super fan Barack Obama, who fits the fan profile quite nicely, requested advanced access to season six."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brandindex/2016/04/21/game-of-thrones-the-politicians-favorite/#421fb782490e

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Trump reminds me of the weak son who took the throne and was murdered bypoison. He was like a little girl who was pathologically weak and use cruelty to project power. The two become the poster b0y foor sillver s099ns.

Telstar

Telstar

gatorfan wrote:
Telstar wrote:He knows that glibturds get a hard on with all things GOT, thus the stupid poster. It would appeal to them even more if he was snorting crystal meth in the poster.

Wrong again. As usual.

"According to YouGov Profiles, Game of Thrones fans are more likely to be male, urban, Democrats and are more likely to work in politics or government. They have higher than average annual incomes. Super fan Barack Obama, who fits the fan profile quite nicely, requested advanced access to season six."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brandindex/2016/04/21/game-of-thrones-the-politicians-favorite/#421fb782490e





Whatever. Who would doubt you luggage crotch. Now go back to what you do best, ass raping young boys in your neighborhood.

gatorfan



Telstar wrote:
gatorfan wrote:
Telstar wrote:He knows that glibturds get a hard on with all things GOT, thus the stupid poster. It would appeal to them even more if he was snorting crystal meth in the poster.

Wrong again. As usual.

"According to YouGov Profiles, Game of Thrones fans are more likely to be male, urban, Democrats and are more likely to work in politics or government. They have higher than average annual incomes. Super fan Barack Obama, who fits the fan profile quite nicely, requested advanced access to season six."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brandindex/2016/04/21/game-of-thrones-the-politicians-favorite/#421fb782490e





Whatever. Who would doubt you luggage crotch. Now go back to what you do best, ass raping young boys in your neighborhood.

This is why you are forever alone, your distinct inability to accept your failures. Are you still getting counseling to try and control your necrobestiality problem?

What a hoot, what we have here folks is a mommy basement dwelling, anonymous, keyboard fondling genuine legend in their own mind.

Isn't it time for your mommy to nurse you again?

Telstar

Telstar

gatorfan wrote:
Telstar wrote:
gatorfan wrote:
Telstar wrote:He knows that glibturds get a hard on with all things GOT, thus the stupid poster. It would appeal to them even more if he was snorting crystal meth in the poster.

Wrong again. As usual.

"According to YouGov Profiles, Game of Thrones fans are more likely to be male, urban, Democrats and are more likely to work in politics or government. They have higher than average annual incomes. Super fan Barack Obama, who fits the fan profile quite nicely, requested advanced access to season six."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brandindex/2016/04/21/game-of-thrones-the-politicians-favorite/#421fb782490e





Whatever. Who would doubt you luggage crotch. Now go back to what you do best, ass raping young boys in your neighborhood.

This is why you are forever alone, your distinct inability to accept your failures. Are you still getting counseling to try and control your necrobestiality problem?

What a hoot, what we have here folks is a mommy basement dwelling, anonymous, keyboard fondling genuine legend in their own mind.

Isn't it time for your mommy to nurse you again?




Whatever. All good as long as it keeps you away from the young boys that have the misfortune to live in your neighborhood. We will pray for you and all the innocent young victims that you ass rape luggage crock. Twisted Evil

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