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1 Third Kavanaugh accuser now on record on 9/26/2018, 11:58 am

Julie Swetnick, apparently a quite credible individual, has provided a sworn affidavit on penalty of perjury, and attorney Avenatti has demanded an immediate FBI investigation.   Short of that unlikely occurrence, Kavanaugh's nomination should be withdrawn forthwith.


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/26/michael-avenatti-identifies-kavanaugh-accuser-as-julie-swetnick.html

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Here's Swetnick's sworn affidavit in more readable form than included in the first link above:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/read-sworn-declaration-kavanaugh-accuser-julie-swetnick-n913336

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Some of you will immediately glom onto the fact that the affidavit doesn't specifically say she saw Kavanaugh raping someone via intercourse nor that he was one of the rapists when she was drugged, even though he was "present" at the time.

None of that matters. Either an FBI investigation, or he goes. Period. This kind of cloud over a Supreme Court jurist is untenable. Clarence Thomas was one too many.

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RealLindaL wrote:Some of you will immediately glom onto the fact that the affidavit doesn't specifically say she saw Kavanaugh raping someone via intercourse nor that he was one of the rapists when she was drugged, even though he was "present" at the time.

None of that matters.  Either an FBI investigation, or he goes.  Period.  This kind of cloud over a Supreme Court jurist is untenable.  Clarence Thomas was one too many.

At the very least this statement contradicts Kavanaugh's claim of non-drinking. It also has specific testimony about his behavior with women at these drinking parties.

He is a liar. We don't need ANOTHER liar in a position of power in DC. Period.

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Yet there's no corroboration to any specific act and nothing reported for 35 after.

Nicely timed tho. A steady drip drip drip at the last minute. Gosh... how convenient. Rolling Eyes

Again... not provable.

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PkrBum wrote:Yet there's no corroboration to any specific act and nothing reported for 35 after.

Nicely timed tho. A steady drip drip drip at the last minute. Gosh... how convenient. Rolling Eyes

Again... not provable.

So, in order to be "provable" there has to be a video of the activity and DNA samples and audio too? This was an era before cell phone photos. Today's statement was a sworn affidavit under penalty of perjury and would be career ending for this witness if proven false. Since when were witness statements like this been dismissed out of hand?

Senator Merkley is seeking an injunction to stop Kavanaugh vote designed to stop a final vote on BK, asserting an obstruction of his constitutional duty to advise and consent on nominees. (Politico)

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So the "virgin" liked gang rapes.

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When I was in college, one of my co-workers at my student worker job was a frat rat, and he bragged about exactly the kind of thing Swetnik is describing. They had a girl in a room and guys were lined up outside, taking turns. He was telling us his friends took pictures of him screwing her and giving a big "thumbs up" to the camera, which he thought was really clever. Then he said "I may have to burn the pictures, though. She's trying to claim we raped her but it was her idea, she just got tired after the first five or six guys."

I told him that not only was that NOT cool, if he ever told me about anything like that again, I'd slit his throat and bleed him out. The guy was bigger than me and worked out a lot but he still stayed away from me after that because he figured I meant it... and I probably did because I was a bit stupid and violence-prone at that age. I had an old girlfriend who'd been raped as a kid, and I saw how traumatized she was by it, so I had ZERO tolerance for any mistreatment of girls. My other co-workers also told him he was an asshole, and he was really taken aback by it... he figured we'd all be impressed or something. He ended up quitting pretty soon after that and we were all hoping it was because he got arrested.

I always regret not just punching the bastard in the face, even if I'd have had to do it at work.

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zsomething wrote:When I was in college, one of my co-workers at my student worker job was a frat rat, and he bragged about exactly the kind of thing Swetnik is describing.  They had a girl in a room and guys were lined up outside, taking turns.  He was telling us his friends took pictures of him screwing her and giving a big "thumbs up" to the camera, which he thought was really clever.  Then he said "I may have to burn the pictures, though.  She's trying to claim we raped her but it was her idea, she just got tired after the first five or six guys."

I told him that not only was that NOT cool, if he ever told me about anything like that again, I'd slit his throat and bleed him out.  The guy was bigger than me and worked out a lot but he still stayed away from me after that because he figured I meant it... and I probably did because I was a bit stupid and violence-prone at that age.  I had an old girlfriend who'd been raped as a kid, and I saw how traumatized she was by it, so I had ZERO tolerance for any mistreatment of girls.  My other co-workers also told him he was an asshole, and he was really taken aback by it... he figured we'd all be impressed or something.   He ended up quitting pretty soon after that and we were all hoping it was because he got arrested.

I always regret not just punching the bastard in the face, even if I'd have had to do it at work.  

Love you just for wishing you'd done it, Z.

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Wow!   That's some of that's some pretty serious allegations right there.  (and some of it's kind of fluff)

I can't help but wonder though why she didn't go ahead and name these other witnesses?  Or any of the other perpetrators and victims she speaks of other than Kavanaugh and Judge?  (okay ... maybe not other victims, I can see that)   I mean ... she indicates she clearly remembers Kavanaugh & Judge at these incidents, so surely she remembers others, right?   I mean ... if you're gonna come out & "tell all" .... well, "tell all" then?

A couple of other things.  I'm just reviewing this document objectively, not taking any sides at this point, but what's the point of listing her very low level security clearances?   Public Trust?  Secret?   C'mon?  Do you all know how low level and common those are?  .  She also mentions all the Federal agencies she's worked with (but doesn't say "for")  but not a word of in what capacity except that she has this MCSE certification of which I have no idea?  Is that supposed to be some really impressive thing or is it something pretty much most IT people have?  Whats' up with that?   I don't see how those things are even relevant really except maybe to try & puff up her credibility in the eyes of the public?   I mean ... I don't mean to dog the woman about whatever her jobs have been, I don't know who she is really ... but what's the point of putting those things in there at all?

Lastly ... I don't see even so much as a Notary seal on the document.  Where's the "under oath" part?

I said previously that Dr Blasey Ford's allegation seemed to have a "ring of truth" about it.  But this one?  Well .... let's just say I'm not feelin' it.  Yet.

RealLindaL wrote:Julie Swetnick, apparently a quite credible individual,l

She is?  How so?



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PkrBum wrote:Yet there's no corroboration to any specific act and nothing reported for 35 after.

Are you that dense??  You're completely ignoring all the reams and reams of gathered evidence as to the fact that these are the most under-reported crimes in our society, and the WHY of that fact, much less the fact right in your face that the accusers are ALL REQUESTING AN FBI INVESTIGATION SPECIFICALLY SO THAT THEIR ACCUSATIONS CAN BE CORROBORATED.

You are making a worse a**hole of yourself than ever, and that's saying a LOT.

Disgusting.  Evil or Very Mad

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othershoe1030 wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Yet there's no corroboration to any specific act and nothing reported for 35 after.

Nicely timed tho. A steady drip drip drip at the last minute. Gosh... how convenient. Rolling Eyes

Again... not provable.

So, in order to be "provable" there has to be a video of the activity and DNA samples and audio too? This was an era before cell phone photos. Today's statement was a sworn affidavit under penalty of perjury and would be career ending for this witness if proven false. Since when were witness statements like this been dismissed out of hand?

Senator Merkley is seeking an injunction to stop Kavanaugh vote designed to stop a final vote on BK, asserting an obstruction of his constitutional duty to advise and consent on nominees. (Politico)

I'd take a credible first hand witness to a specific event at a time and place.

I mean... what's with this lady? Was she the look out? She knew that there were gang rapes at parties that she repeatedly attended? Really? No calling the cops? No warning to other girls (classmates)? Really?

A delay to the confirmation was the political goal.

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RealLindaL wrote:

Love you just for wishing you'd done it, Z.

Thanks. Not hitting that guy's always been one of my big regrets... and I can't even remember the jerk's name. I remember exactly what he looked like -- tall very-sleepy-eyed dark-haired guy, said he was part Cherokee or something. He was always bragging about stuff, mostly drinking and women. And he was a huge homophobe. We had this co-worker who acted really gay (turns out he was, but he wasn't "out" at the time), and in our work we'd have to carry things up and down this little elevator a lot... and frat-guy would NOT get into the elevator with the gay guy. I finally got tired of it and said, "He's like five-five and maybe 80 pounds, he's a stick, what're you afraid of? You think he could force himself on you? I'll take the elevator with him, jeez." And I wasn't even all that broad-minded a person at the time, still had some stupid prejudices I got rid of later (partially because of that job), but even in my idiot-teen days it just seemed dumb to me, 'cuz the guy was harmless, didn't want to hurt anybody and couldn't if he had wanted to.

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RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Yet there's no corroboration to any specific act and nothing reported for 35 after.

Are you that dense??  You're completely ignoring all the reams and reams of gathered evidence as to the fact that these are the most under-reported crimes in our society, and the WHY of that fact, much less the fact right in your face that the accusers are ALL REQUESTING AN FBI INVESTIGATION SPECIFICALLY SO THAT THEIR ACCUSATIONS CAN BE CORROBORATED.

You are making a worse a**hole of yourself than ever, and that's saying a LOT.

Disgusting.  Evil or Very Mad

Six fbi background checks... SIX..!! And then this "sexual predator" didn't loose the beast for 35 years?

It's disgusting that the leftists are playing this political ploy. It harms the very real issue of sex abuse.

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RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Yet there's no corroboration to any specific act and nothing reported for 35 after.

Are you that dense??  You're completely ignoring all the reams and reams of gathered evidence as to the fact that these are the most under-reported crimes in our society, and the WHY of that fact, much less the fact right in your face that the accusers are ALL REQUESTING AN FBI INVESTIGATION SPECIFICALLY SO THAT THEIR ACCUSATIONS CAN BE CORROBORATED.

You are making a worse a**hole of yourself than ever, and that's saying a LOT.

Disgusting.  Evil or Very Mad

Evidence? Unsupported accusations, privately completed depositions, etc., are not "evidence". The FBI did a background check on him and he was clean. You do realize these "allegations" (aside from being obvious political theater) are not federal crimes so the FBI wouldn't investigate them anyway. I still wonder why these people didn't report these supposed actions to SOMEONE back in the day.......if they go in front of the committee they will have very tough and possibly embarrassing questions to answer about their convenient accusations at this point in time.

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PkrBum wrote:
Six fbi background checks... SIX..!! And then this "sexual predator" didn't loose the beast for 35 years?

It's disgusting that the leftists are playing this political ploy. It harms the very real issue of sex abuse.

Says the dweeb who used to defend Bill Cosby.

What ever happened to that guy?

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Sal wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
Six fbi background checks... SIX..!! And then this "sexual predator" didn't loose the beast for 35 years?

It's disgusting that the leftists are playing this political ploy. It harms the very real issue of sex abuse.

Says the dweeb who used to defend Bill Cosby.

What ever happened to that guy?

You're a stooge. I don't recall supporting Cosby. Certainly not after his modus operandi was established.

Link?

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Maybe we should ask Joe Biden what he thinks about it?

At the Clarence Thomas hearings regarding Anita Hill allegations:
“FBI explicitly does not, in this or any other case, reach a conclusion, period. Period,” said Biden at the time.

“The reason why we cannot rely on the FBI report—you would not like it if we did—because it is inconclusive. They say, ‘He said, she said, and they said. Period,” he added.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/09/25/flashback-that-time-joe-biden-said-fbi-reports-cant-be-relied-on-for-sexual-misconduct-cases-n2522589

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Alright ... I admittedly have not done the math myself, but read a comment on a news article where it was pointed out Ms Swetnick supposedly graduated high school in 1980 ... but two, three years later was still hanging out at high school parties where girls were being drugged and gang raped? And she an adult at that time, knowing of this, did nothing to stop or at least report it to the authorities? Is that correct?

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This is twilight zone lemmings rushing to the cliff. A big....and I mean big hearsay on hearsay.......brought at the last minute as the most patently absurd attempt to over turn a nomination in political desperation. Gang raping women at the country club....please.......and running a child porn ring out of pizza place at the direction of Hillary Clinton I thought was a new low.....nope same blade, just the other side. The judiciary should NOT be subjected to political influence like a third world dictatorship, and this will set back the judiciary for years as a new low has been established.

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Senator Merkley is seeking an injunction to stop Kavanaugh vote designed to stop a final vote on BK, asserting an obstruction of his constitutional duty to advise and consent on nominees. (Politico)


Now it has gotten absurd. A litigant must have standing, and the case must be ripe. The Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly of the restraint of the courts to enter into the political process. Any injunction attempt by the courts to stop a vote in Congress is not ripe and Merkley has no standing until after the vote, when the courts would have jurisdiction. I beginning to think that the only reason that a moron got to be president was because democrats are idiots, just a little bit up the brain train but barely able to figure out common sense solutions.

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2seaoat wrote:Senator Merkley is seeking an injunction to stop Kavanaugh vote designed to stop a final vote on BK, asserting an obstruction of his constitutional duty to advise and consent on nominees. (Politico)


Now it has gotten absurd.  A litigant must have standing, and the case must be ripe.  The Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly of the restraint of the courts to enter into the political process.  Any injunction attempt by the courts to stop a vote in Congress is not ripe and Merkley has no standing until after the vote, when the courts would have jurisdiction.  I beginning to think that the only reason that a moron got to be president was because democrats are idiots, just a little bit up the brain train but barely able to figure out common sense solutions.

Wow, you really are an asshole. A moron is in the WH because of the stupidity of REPUBLICAN VOTERS, with more than a little help from Russia and Republican operatives. Your party is nothing but criminals and thieves.

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RealLindaL wrote:Some of you will immediately glom onto the fact that the affidavit doesn't specifically say she saw Kavanaugh raping someone via intercourse nor that he was one of the rapists when she was drugged, even though he was "present" at the time.

None of that matters.  Either an FBI investigation, or he goes.  Period.  This kind of cloud over a Supreme Court jurist is untenable.  Clarence Thomas was one too many.

At the very least this statement contradicts Kavanaugh's claim of non-drinking. It also has specific testimony about his behavior with women at these drinking parties.

He is a liar. We don't need ANOTHER liar in a position of power in DC. Period.









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While you leftists would obviously depose the rightfully elected potus by literally any means necessary.

Pretty sure trump is going to start nuking you seditious commies after the election... lol.

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PkrBum wrote: ....  you seditious commies ...

C'mon 'Bum' ... don't hold back.  Why don't you tell us what you really think?

Laughing Laughing

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