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You should have to show a State issued ID to vote.

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EmeraldGhost wrote:You should have to show a State issued ID to vote.  

If you mean that voters should be issued a picture ID at the time of registration, I agree.

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Floridatexan wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:You should have to show a State issued ID to vote.  

If you mean that voters should be issued a picture ID at the time of registration, I agree.

That's a great idea except that nowadays people can register online, and no one can match a face with a pic.

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RealLindaL wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:You should have to show a State issued ID to vote.  

If you mean that voters should be issued a picture ID at the time of registration, I agree.

That's a great idea except that nowadays people can register online, and no one can match a face with a pic.  

If they can determine where you live and whether you have insurance... i think they can figure that out too.

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EmeraldGhost wrote:You should have to show a State issued ID to vote.  

Why? If you show up at the polls, you should be able to vote, period. Use "election ink" to keep people from voting twice. We went decades without any kind of ID, all you had to do was show up.

Voter ID is just another way to suppress the vote of minorities who might, God forbid, vote for someone who will represent their interests rather than those of their corporate masters.

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Deus X wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:You should have to show a State issued ID to vote.  

Why? If you show up at the polls, you should be able to vote, period. Use "election ink" to keep people from voting twice. We went decades without any kind of ID, all you had to do was show up.

Voter ID is just another way to suppress the vote of minorities who might, God forbid, vote for someone who will represent their interests rather than those of their corporate masters.

Wouldn't a DL or State ID Card just be simpler?   Esp now that the RealID Act has been in place for so many years now?

I mean, really .... c'mon - what US Citizen hasn't got a govt ID of some sort? ...  like. 0001% of the US Citizen population ... and those miniscule few probably don't vote anyway.  (yeah, yeah, I know ... you can prob go to Vox or some other libbie propaganda outfit and find a cherry-picked example of that one in a million US Citizen allegedly can't get govt ID of some sort)
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Truth is ... Demos & Repubs just make an issue of it to get votes.  The Demos make an issue of it because the just positively salivate at the idea of getting scads of immigrants in urban and suburban areas registered to vote. (legal and illegal alike - they fail to recognize any distinction, because Hey!  We're all "World Citizens", right? )   And the Repubs are into it because the party and their base are positively horrified at the prospect of that happening.

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If you mean that voters should be issued a picture ID at the time of registration, I agree.

This is exactly the solution. I voted for forty years and never once showed an id once I had my voter registration card. I walked in and they asked my name, they opened a book, they asked me if I still lived at that address, and then gave me a ballot. I NEVER took out an ID, but why?

You just have folks go door to door with an IPAD and a simple cloud based database which includes the photo you take with the IPAD. You print a voter registration card with the photo on it, and the photo goes to the precinct that voter will vote, and the person has a universal voter ID, which should NEVER be asked for unless the photo and the person at the polls do not look the same.

Sorry, the photo ID is just one more subjective discretionary thing a person in a polling place can do to take a citizen's voting right away in the tradition of literacy tests and poll taxes.

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EmeraldGhost wrote:
Wouldn't a DL or State ID Card just be simpler?   Esp now that the RealID Act has been in place for so many years now?

I mean, really .... c'mon - what US Citizen hasn't got a govt ID of some sort? ...  like. 0001% of the US Citizen population ... and those miniscule few probably don't vote anyway.  (yeah, yeah, I know ... you can prob go to Vox or some other libbie propaganda outfit and find a cherry-picked example of that one in a million US Citizen allegedly can't get govt ID of some sort)

Just because you CAN get a government ID, doesn't mean you should be FORCED to get one.

Of course, we could adopt the much simpler method of tattooing an identifying number on the inside of the wrist at birth.

Jesus, do you realize how crazy you sound? Next thing you'll propose is to have everyone stand at attention and salute every time a cop asks them a question.

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Deus X wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:
Wouldn't a DL or State ID Card just be simpler?   Esp now that the RealID Act has been in place for so many years now?

I mean, really .... c'mon - what US Citizen hasn't got a govt ID of some sort? ...  like. 0001% of the US Citizen population ... and those miniscule few probably don't vote anyway.  (yeah, yeah, I know ... you can prob go to Vox or some other libbie propaganda outfit and find a cherry-picked example of that one in a million US Citizen allegedly can't get govt ID of some sort)



....  Jesus, do you realize how crazy you sound? ...

Me?    Laughing    You mean me and the majority of people in about 17 States? (and that number is only going to increase .... wait and see. Whaddya wanna bet it passes in NC this November?)

You should try coming out of your leftist echo chamber once in awhile 'Deucie'.

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EmeraldGhost wrote:
Deus X wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:
Wouldn't a DL or State ID Card just be simpler?   Esp now that the RealID Act has been in place for so many years now?

I mean, really .... c'mon - what US Citizen hasn't got a govt ID of some sort? ...  like. 0001% of the US Citizen population ... and those miniscule few probably don't vote anyway.  (yeah, yeah, I know ... you can prob go to Vox or some other libbie propaganda outfit and find a cherry-picked example of that one in a million US Citizen allegedly can't get govt ID of some sort)



....  Jesus, do you realize how crazy you sound? ...

You mean me and the majority of people in about 17 States?  

I know this is going to come as a great shock to you since you, like most crypto-fascist reactionaries, are apparently living in the 18th century but there are now 50 states in the Union.

Do the math, sparky!

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Trump’s voter-fraud commission wants to know voting history, party ID and address of every voter in the U.S.

By Christopher Ingraham
June 29, 2017

The chair of President Trump's Election Integrity Commission has penned a letter to all 50 states requesting their full voter-roll data, including the name, address, date of birth, party affiliation, last four Social Security number digits and voting history back to 2006 of potentially every voter in the state.

In the letter, a copy of which was made public by the Connecticut secretary of state, the commission head Kris Kobach said that “any documents that are submitted to the full Commission will also be made available to the public.”

On Wednesday, the office of Vice President Pence released a statement saying “a letter will be sent today to the 50 states and District of Columbia on behalf of the Commission requesting publicly available data from state voter rolls and feedback on how to improve election integrity.”

States began reacting to the letter on Thursday afternoon. "I have no intention of honoring this request," said Governor Terry McAuliffe of Virginia in a statement. "Virginia conducts fair, honest, and democratic elections, and there is no evidence of significant voter fraud in Virginia."

Connecticut's Secretary of State, Denise Merrill, said she would "share publicly-available information with the Kobach Commission while ensuring that the privacy of voters is honored by withholding protected data." She added, however, that Kobach "has a lengthy record of illegally disenfranchising eligible voters in Kansas" and that "given Secretary Kobach's history we find it very difficult to have confidence in the work of this Commission."

Under federal law, each state must maintain a central file of registered voters. States collect different amounts of information on voters. While the files are technically public records, states usually charge fees to individuals or entities who want to access them. Political campaigns and parties typically use these files to compile their massive voter lists.

[How Trump’s nationwide voter data request could lead to voter suppression]

In May, Trump created a commission to investigate alleged acts of voter fraud after he claimed, without evidence, that 3 million to 5 million undocumented immigrants voted illegally in the 2016 election. The commission is chaired by Kobach, who is the Kansas secretary of state and a voter-fraud hard-liner.

Earlier this month, a federal judge fined Kobach $1,000 for “presenting misleading arguments in a voting-related lawsuit,” according to Politico.

Advocates for voting rights and civil liberties are also sounding alarms over the letter. “The concern is that this is going to be used to justify regressive and disenfranchising federal law,” Myrna Pérez, deputy director of the democracy program at New York University Law School's Brennan Center for Justice, said in an interview.

Vanita Gupta, chief executive of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights and former head of the Justice Department's civil rights division, said on Twitter that the letter is “laying the groundwork for voter suppression, plain & simple.”

The White House press office did not return a request for comment on this article. A spokesman for Kobach in the Kansas secretary of state's office referred an inquiry to an email address listed in the commission's letter. The commission did not return a request sent to that email address.

Trump and his allies have said the commission's work is necessary to prevent what they call widespread instances of voter fraud. But evidence for such fraud is exceedingly thin. Kobach has made it a central issue of his tenure in Kansas and has secured nine voter-fraud convictions. Most were older Republican voters, and at least one claims he was targeted for an “honest mistake.”

Academics who have studied the issue for decades say that voter fraud — particularly of the type that strict voter-identification laws championed by Kobach and others are intended to combat — is vanishingly rare and that voter-ID requirements are a burdensome solution to a practically nonexistent problem. A federal judge ruled that some of Kobach's proposed ID requirements constituted a “mass denial of a fundamental constitutional right.”

While civil-liberties advocates are concerned with what Kobach might do with what would amount to a nationwide voter file, privacy advocates worry about the implications of making such data available to the public, as the commission says it intends to do. It hasn't specified how it would make the data available.

“Why does a random member of the public . . . need to know when you last voted and what your political party is?” asked the Brennan Center's Perez. “I think that access to this data in the wrong hands could always leave the opportunity for mischief. In this particular instance, I'm worried about harassment as well.”

States are “stewards of [this] public information,” Perez said. “Once it leaves their hands in this way, there's no telling whose going to get it, and how, and what they're using it for.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/29/trumps-voter-fraud-commission-wants-to-know-the-voting-history-party-id-and-address-of-every-voter-in-america/?utm_term=.99b12e1c2308

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This was the real purpose of the voter fraud commission...getting the names, addresses and party affiliation of every voter in the country...one database to be purged at will.

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"Until we get this straightened out, every state should go to some sort of paper ballot system," Bill Clinton

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We vote on a voting machine with a small CPU where you vote electronically and a you place your vote it prints your vote on a stream of paper which you can affirm by visual verification, and they have a paper trail for every vote. However, I heard they had a hacker convention in Las Vegas and a sixteen year old was able to hack the tabulator computer and change totals. This means even if you have paper ballots the Russians MAY have had an actual impact on our elections. So Trump instead of addressing the vulnerability of American elections to foreign bad guys, he thinks somebody is going to change an election because they vote, and they never knew that one of their convictions was not a misdemeanor, rather a felony. Yep, the smell of Jim Crow, Poll Taxes, and Literacy test is in the air every time Trump acts or talks.

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