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By Adam Davidson April 14, 2018



The raid on the offices of President Trump’s personal lawyer makes clear that Trump’s battle with the special counsel, Robert Mueller, is entering its final chapter.
Photograph by Yana Paskova / Getty



https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/michael-cohen-and-the-end-stage-of-the-trump-presidency?mbid=nl_Daily%20041618&CNDID=14244234&spMailingID=13323455&spUserID=MTMzMTc5NTk4NDA0S0&spJobID=1381400090&spReportId=MTM4MTQwMDA5MAS2

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Long article...worth the read.

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How is this the "end stage"? Even if he is impeached in the House, he has to be convicted by a two-thirds majority in the Senate to be removed from office. Do the math.

Most likely he and his kids will end up disgraced and financially ruined but, unless he resigns ala Nixon, he'll finish out his term and I can't imagine him resigning.

Why do you think it's the "end stage"?

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Lol... end game is just getting a new definition from dems/liberals/progressives/socialists... what ever you're calling yourselves today. Leftist "journalism" folks... lol. Actually just plain old propaganda and tainted opinion considering the derivative conclusion... which is all that a leftist drone actually takes away from this crap.

"as I began to FEEL a familiar clarity about what will unfold next in the Trump Presidency"

"Even IF Trump pardons Cohen, the information the Feds have on him CAN BECOME the basis for charges against others in the Trump Organization."

"This is the week we know, WITH INCREASING CERTAINTY, that we are entering the last phase of the Trump Presidency."

"Collusion is an imprecise word, but it does SEEM CLOSE TO CERTAINTY that his son Donald, Jr., and several people who worked for him colluded with people CLOSE to the Kremlin; it is up to prosecutors and then the courts to FIGURE  OUT if this was illegal or merely deceitful. We may have a hard time finding out what President Trump himself knew and approved."

"I am unaware of anybody who has taken a serious look at Trump’s business who doesn’t believe that there is a high likelihood of rampant criminality."

"F.B.I. is REPORTEDLY looking into his daughter Ivanka’s role in the Trump hotel in Vancouver, for which she worked with a Malaysian family that has admitted to financial fraud. Back home, Donald, Jr., and Ivanka were investigated for financial crimes associated with the Trump hotel in SoHo—an investigation that was halted suspiciously."

"Sure, many people have a vague sense of Trump’s shadiness, but once the full details are better known and digested, a fundamentally different narrative about Trump will become commonplace. "

"The information in his office and hotel room will LIKELY make clear precisely how much the Trump family knew. What we already know is disturbing, and it is HARD TO IMAGINE that the information prosecutors will soon learn will do anything but worsen the picture."

" It SEEMS inevitable that much will be made public. We don’t know when. We don’t know the precise path the next few months will take. There will be resistance and denial and counterattacks. But it seems likely that, when we look back on this week, we will see it as a turning point. We are now in the end stages of the Trump Presidency."

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If Mueller proves Cohen was in Prague, then Trump will be removed from office. 

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Sal wrote:If Mueller proves Cohen was in Prague, then Trump will be removed from office. 




I'm starting to doubt Spanky will be removed even if Mueller proves Cohen resides up inside bone spur's bunghole. Laughing

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Sal wrote:If Mueller proves Cohen was in Prague, then Trump will be removed from office. 

Why do you think that? During the Clinton impeachment trial, the Senate was majority Republican, 55/45, and they STILL couldn't convict him.

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Deus X wrote:
Sal wrote:If Mueller proves Cohen was in Prague, then Trump will be removed from office. 

Why do you think that? During the Clinton impeachment trial, the Senate was majority Republican, 55/45, and they STILL couldn't convict him.




Clinton was a popular President. Bone spur got in with the EC even though 3 million more real Americans voted for his opponent. Most voters in shithole states are coming around to reality. I doubt Florida will make the same mistake in 2020 that they made in 2016.

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Clinton was a popular President. Bone spur got in with the EC even though 3 million more real Americans voted for his opponent. Most voters in shithole states are coming around to reality. I doubt Florida will make the same mistake in 2020 that they made in 2016.

Even in the unlikely event that control of the Senate flips in 2020, they STILL have to have a two-thirds majority to remove him from office.

I just don't see that happening, nor do I want it to happen. Having this asshole in the White House will be great for Democrats in 2018 and possibly 2020. It might result in the political death of the Republican party.

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First, there are not the votes to even impeach. Second, it is a pipe dream to think the senate will impeach. It will take a bombshell to change the same, or a holocaust at the mid term elections for Republicans. They certainly could still get their agenda with Pence, and not face further decline in 2020 but all of that is just grasping at straws. If the President gets our troops out of Korea, and does a nuclear deal like the Iranian deal......the President will be reelected in 2020. Fact.

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If Mueller can prove Cohen was in Prague, the case will be made beyond any shadow of doubt that there was a criminal conspiracy between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign to corrupt an American election.

That's the whole enchilada kiddos.

It can't happen until it can.

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2seaoat wrote:First, there are not the votes to even impeach.  Second, it is a pipe dream to think the senate will impeach.  It will take a bombshell to change the same, or a holocaust at the mid term elections for Republicans.  They certainly could still get their agenda with Pence, and not face further decline in 2020 but all of that is just grasping at straws.  If the President gets our troops out of Korea, and does a nuclear deal like the Iranian deal......the President will be reelected in 2020.  Fact.


Trump is a criminal. We can't continue with a criminal in the White House. Good God, I can't believe I just had to write that. You're a good man, Seaoat, but we both know you've been WRONG before. We've been sparring for 15 years. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Floridatexan wrote:  We can't continue with a criminal in the White House.  

Are you really this naive?

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I doubt anybody on this forum could possibly detest President Trump more than I do. You see all of you probably can live to see this bastard replaced, but I will die with this man being my President. I would give anything to see him removed from office by impeachment, or criminal prosecution, but the sad reality is that he will not be impeached, and there has been zero evidence of a direct Russian connection with Trump. I feel that he is a Russian puppet. I feel he has been compromised by money or threats, but to suggest that suddenly one person is going to create a criminal case against the President is like hoping that the Timberwolves are going to beat Houston......it is possible but unlikely. I also believe that Trump has ended the naive idea that in a democracy folks will not deceive and actually betray their country. Until campaign finance reform and disclosures we will never know who is pulling a politicians strings.

I think Former FBI director gave a huge tell when he compared Trump to a crime boss......duh.....that has been the allegations since his father was alive.....that the mob had their hooks in the trumps for decades. If we learned nothing else from the Sopranos is that criminal mob actions with the Russians for criminal enterprises make for good earners for the bosses of both organizations. The simple question is how did America let a Presidential candidate not show his tax returns, and nothing has been said when the Trump organization is leveraging the Presidency to get approvals on trump developments in Panama. I guess the godfather got his wish......Michael made it to the Presidency.

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2seaoat wrote: If we learned nothing else from the Sopranos...


I guess the godfather got his wish......Michael made it to the Presidency.

MY GOD! Do you understand the difference between entertainment and reality?

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I think we're looking at the hamstringing of the Trump residency (at first that was a typo, but I like it and so I'm keepin' it) rather than its end stage.  The end stage will be in 2020 when the country overwhelmingly votes that idiot manchild out of office, and the people who supported him will finally be forced to realize how much most of this country resents them for having foisted that idiot on us.

Trump will likely get impeached by then... but impeachment doesn't necessarily mean removal from office.  Clinton was impeached but served out his term.  Nixon resigned before he could be impeached; he'd likely have been removed from office, but, he took himself down, first.   Trump will never resign, because Trump is unable to admit, even to himself, that he's crooked and incompetent.  He's led a life in a money-bubble and has never been in a situation where he hasn't gotten away with the horrible stuff he does, because no one's ever held him accountable.

And, for the most part, the Republican party -- who have always been cult-minded conformists and are only getting worse as time goes on and their "news" outlets more aggressively brainwash their low-end-of-the-curve little minds -- have been enabling Trump, too.   Because he's all they have.  They don't like him, they made a bad choice picking him, but they need him.

Look at their situation and it's not hard to understand, really:  they're embarrassed.  In 2000 they elected an idiot who had to be installed by court order.   Dubya was a moron who tanked the economy and made the world even more unstable by invading Iraq, a country that had nothin' to do with nothin'... one of America's biggest mistakes.  He made America look not-all-that-bright.  And to make it even more embarrassing, Dubya did this following a successful Democratic president.  Bill Clinton, personally, is a sleazebag of the highest magnitude, but he got the economy booming, built up America overseas, gave incredible speeches... overall he was great for the country, despite being an asshole personally.  Dubya, in contrast, was a dumb guy who fouled everything up.   He's a better husband than Bill, for sure, you could trust him around interns, no problem, but in every way that really matters, he was a disaster.

Then Obama came in, fixed all Dubya's messes, boomed the economy and jobs market, had no real scandals that some fucking FOX-washed morons didn't have to invent, and was a good husband on top of it.  Republicans tried to demonize him because (A) it's what the little simpletons do, and (B) they had to:  a Democrat, and a black one on top of it, came in and showed them up in every possible way.  The Republican base looked like the dumb voters who make bad decisions, the Republican president and congress looked like the stupid ones who make lousy choices and weren't good for the economy... it was humiliating.   They needed the Democratic president to fail, too, and he didn't, despite their best efforts.  

They were desperate not to have that happen again... especially from a Democratic woman, and one named Clinton, who they'd been Limbaugh-trained to hate like Satan-Satan-Satan.  It's understandable, party-over-country-wise.   But, unable to overcome the baser instincts of the basest base in the game, they crawled over a pile of not-good-but-far-better candidates (I'm not looking at Ted Cruz there, but, almost everybody else) to elect the silliest, nastiest clown, because (A) he was on teevee and they like teevee, as long as it's dumb, silly, colorful, and makes loud noises, (B) he didn't make any secret of hating blacks and Mexicans and played to all their stereotypes about 'em, and (C) had that authoritarian thing that gets their nose open (probably daddy issues), and (D) came up with all kinds of fun nasty nicknames for the people they hate and since he's doing it, they don't have to try any harder -- they can just cheer.   Politics has become "team sports" now and Trump's good at making people feel good about hatin' the other team.   Sarah Palin also tapped into that.  It's become one of the core principles of the Republican party, and one of the few they actually keep -- they don't watch the budget, they don't shrink the government, they don't really give you more freedoms, that's all just lip service.  What the party's mostly about now is just hatin' Democrats.   I can get that -- some of the SJW people are overbearing whiners.  Not so much you should foul up the country just to spite them, but, I get the motivation.  They're irritants, you want to scratch them.

Problem is, their dumb bright-shiny-object-chasin' base picked an even worse loser than Dubya to follow an even better president than Bill Clinton, and so now they're embarrassed all over again, even worse.  It's become clear to anybody paying attention who the Stupid Person's Party is.  Not that the Democrats are so great -- they really aren't, there's a lot that's annoying about 'em -- but, comparatively?   Not even a contest.  Unless you're eating paste, believing bearded ghosts in nightgowns battle pointy-tailed devils for control of the world, and are deathly afraid of anyone with melanin, there's really no reason to be a part of the G.O.P. at this point.   But they're not gonna admit it 'cuz that'd mean daddy was wrong! Mad

So, they're going to cling to Trump all the way down, they're going to say all the stuff he did is just "fake news,"  they're going to believe silly shit like "Uranium One" and repeat it like a catechism, they're going to hoover that FOX TV-teat no matter how wrongheaded it gets, because they're a cult now.  If they believe horn-honkin'-clown-acts like "Pizzagate," then "the deep state's out to get our otherwise-wonderful president who everybody actually loves!" is easy to sell themselves.  The party of Reagan's now going to side with the Russians just because the Democrats don't like 'em.  Cult 45's going to sell the flag away, just out of reactionary spite.

And really, the only way out of this is voting.  They've got to be shown that most of the country rejects them.   It's gotta be hard, ugly, and overwhelming enough that they can't lie to themselves about where they stand anymore.  It's gotta be such a vote-down that it can't be ignored, a grab-'em-by-the-scruff-of-their-neck-and-rub-their-nose-in-the-carpet moment.   Impeachment-for-removal-from-office won't do that, because that'll just be put down as a "witch-hunt cabal" story.   I think Democrats know that, but maybe I give 'em too much credit.  We'll see.

The best scenario is really that Trump stays in office making a fool out of himself and continuing to wreck his party, but congress keeps the country afloat and we just bide our time 'til the American people throw him out on his fat ugly face so hard it leaves an orange spray-tan skidmark all the way to the curb of Pennsylvania Avenue.  Weaken him, lame-duck him, work around him, then show him the door without granting the party a second chance by giving 'em a replacement.   And then, when the Democrats get back in, they have to do a good job again, like they did the last two times, hopefully even better.  

I'm not just interested in getting rid of Trump.  I want that Republican party's collective neck exposed so we can ear-to-ear that sumbitch and watch it bleed out.  It's a lousy party, it's wrecked my state for decades, I've watched it wreck the country every time it's given a chance, and it needs to be finally done away with.  It's had plenty of shots and it keeps failing.  And the people who support it don't deserve a place at the table of ideas 'cuz they honestly aren't smart enough.  They're easily tricked, they believe crazy shit, their ideas provably do not work, and we can't afford to be nice about it anymore just 'cuz they don't want to feel dumb.   I know I'm mean about that, but, sorry, I got that way by watching what they do, over and over again, and living amongst 'em and knowing what kind of people they are.  They don't need to be making decisions that affect everyone else when I seldom run into any who haven't made a shambles of their own lives.  The less influence they have, the better.  If that's harsh, then it is.

The only good that Trump's really doing is wrecking their brand so people don't view them as a reasonable option anymore.  Then we can work on improving what's left... which isn't so great, either.  But you can't really do much effective landscaping until you clear out the dead wood.   And, a lot of people's denial aside, Trump is making it clear where all of that is...

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zsomething wrote:I think we're looking at the hamstringing of the Trump residency (at first that was a typo, but I like it and so I'm keepin' it) rather than its end stage.  The end stage will be in 2020 when the country overwhelmingly votes that idiot manchild out of office, and the people who supported him will finally be forced to realize how much most of this country resents them for having foisted that idiot on us.

Trump will likely get impeached by then... but impeachment doesn't necessarily mean removal from office.  Clinton was impeached but served out his term.  Nixon resigned before he could be impeached; he'd likely have been removed from office, but, he took himself down, first.   Trump will never resign, because Trump is unable to admit, even to himself, that he's crooked and incompetent.  He's led a life in a money-bubble and has never been in a situation where he hasn't gotten away with the horrible stuff he does, because no one's ever held him accountable.

And, for the most part, the Republican party -- who have always been cult-minded conformists and are only getting worse as time goes on and their "news" outlets more aggressively brainwash their low-end-of-the-curve little minds -- have been enabling Trump, too.   Because he's all they have.  They don't like him, they made a bad choice picking him, but they need him.

Look at their situation and it's not hard to understand, really:  they're embarrassed.  In 2000 they elected an idiot who had to be installed by court order.   Dubya was a moron who tanked the economy and made the world even more unstable by invading Iraq, a country that had nothin' to do with nothin'... one of America's biggest mistakes.  He made America look not-all-that-bright.  And to make it even more embarrassing, Dubya did this following a successful Democratic president.  Bill Clinton, personally, is a sleazebag of the highest magnitude, but he got the economy booming, built up America overseas, gave incredible speeches... overall he was great for the country, despite being an asshole personally.  Dubya, in contrast, was a dumb guy who fouled everything up.   He's a better husband than Bill, for sure, you could trust him around interns, no problem, but in every way that really matters, he was a disaster.

Then Obama came in, fixed all Dubya's messes, boomed the economy and jobs market, had no real scandals that some fucking FOX-washed morons didn't have to invent, and was a good husband on top of it.  Republicans tried to demonize him because (A) it's what the little simpletons do, and (B) they had to:  a Democrat, and a black one on top of it, came in and showed them up in every possible way.  The Republican base looked like the dumb voters who make bad decisions, the Republican president and congress looked like the stupid ones who make lousy choices and weren't good for the economy... it was humiliating.   They needed the Democratic president to fail, too, and he didn't, despite their best efforts.  

They were desperate not to have that happen again... especially from a Democratic woman, and one named Clinton, who they'd been Limbaugh-trained to hate like Satan-Satan-Satan.  It's understandable, party-over-country-wise.   But, unable to overcome the baser instincts of the basest base in the game, they crawled over a pile of not-good-but-far-better candidates (I'm not looking at Ted Cruz there, but, almost everybody else) to elect the silliest, nastiest clown, because (A) he was on teevee and they like teevee, as long as it's dumb, silly, colorful, and makes loud noises, (B) he didn't make any secret of hating blacks and Mexicans and played to all their stereotypes about 'em, and (C) had that authoritarian thing that gets their nose open (probably daddy issues), and (D) came up with all kinds of fun nasty nicknames for the people they hate and since he's doing it, they don't have to try any harder -- they can just cheer.   Politics has become "team sports" now and Trump's good at making people feel good about hatin' the other team.   Sarah Palin also tapped into that.  It's become one of the core principles of the Republican party, and one of the few they actually keep -- they don't watch the budget, they don't shrink the government, they don't really give you more freedoms, that's all just lip service.  What the party's mostly about now is just hatin' Democrats.   I can get that -- some of the SJW people are overbearing whiners.  Not so much you should foul up the country just to spite them, but, I get the motivation.  They're irritants, you want to scratch them.

Problem is, their dumb bright-shiny-object-chasin' base picked an even worse loser than Dubya to follow an even better president than Bill Clinton, and so now they're embarrassed all over again, even worse.  It's become clear to anybody paying attention who the Stupid Person's Party is.  Not that the Democrats are so great -- they really aren't, there's a lot that's annoying about 'em -- but, comparatively?   Not even a contest.  Unless you're eating paste, believing bearded ghosts in nightgowns battle pointy-tailed devils for control of the world, and are deathly afraid of anyone with melanin, there's really no reason to be a part of the G.O.P. at this point.   But they're not gonna admit it 'cuz that'd mean daddy was wrong! Mad

So, they're going to cling to Trump all the way down, they're going to say all the stuff he did is just "fake news,"  they're going to believe silly shit like "Uranium One" and repeat it like a catechism, they're going to hoover that FOX TV-teat no matter how wrongheaded it gets, because they're a cult now.  If they believe horn-honkin'-clown-acts like "Pizzagate," then "the deep state's out to get our otherwise-wonderful president who everybody actually loves!" is easy to sell themselves.  The party of Reagan's now going to side with the Russians just because the Democrats don't like 'em.  Cult 45's going to sell the flag away, just out of reactionary spite.

And really, the only way out of this is voting.  They've got to be shown that most of the country rejects them.   It's gotta be hard, ugly, and overwhelming enough that they can't lie to themselves about where they stand anymore.  It's gotta be such a vote-down that it can't be ignored, a grab-'em-by-the-scruff-of-their-neck-and-rub-their-nose-in-the-carpet moment.   Impeachment-for-removal-from-office won't do that, because that'll just be put down as a "witch-hunt cabal" story.   I think Democrats know that, but maybe I give 'em too much credit.  We'll see.

The best scenario is really that Trump stays in office making a fool out of himself and continuing to wreck his party, but congress keeps the country afloat and we just bide our time 'til the American people throw him out on his fat ugly face so hard it leaves an orange spray-tan skidmark all the way to the curb of Pennsylvania Avenue.  Weaken him, lame-duck him, work around him, then show him the door without granting the party a second chance by giving 'em a replacement.   And then, when the Democrats get back in, they have to do a good job again, like they did the last two times, hopefully even better.  

I'm not just interested in getting rid of Trump.  I want that Republican party's collective neck exposed so we can ear-to-ear that sumbitch and watch it bleed out.  It's a lousy party, it's wrecked my state for decades, I've watched it wreck the country every time it's given a chance, and it needs to be finally done away with.  It's had plenty of shots and it keeps failing.  And the people who support it don't deserve a place at the table of ideas 'cuz they honestly aren't smart enough.  They're easily tricked, they believe crazy shit, their ideas provably do not work, and we can't afford to be nice about it anymore just 'cuz they don't want to feel dumb.   I know I'm mean about that, but, sorry, I got that way by watching what they do, over and over again, and living amongst 'em and knowing what kind of people they are.  They don't need to be making decisions that affect everyone else when I seldom run into any who haven't made a shambles of their own lives.  The less influence they have, the better.  If that's harsh, then it is.

The only good that Trump's really doing is wrecking their brand so people don't view them as a reasonable option anymore.  Then we can work on improving what's left... which isn't so great, either.  But you can't really do much effective landscaping until you clear out the dead wood.   And, a lot of people's denial aside, Trump is making it clear where all of that is...

Feel better now?  Good for you!

So what's the solution? The Stupid Person's Party has the Presidency, both Houses of Congress and controls roughly 60% of State governments.
 https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/14/1598918/-Republicans-now-dominate-state-government-with-32-legislatures-and-33-governors

How could the "Smart Peoples Party" have let that happen? What's wrong with our country that this could happen? Other nations manage to have nice things, what's wrong with us?

Is it Democracy itself that's flawed or maybe the intersection of Capitalism and Democracy?

How do we fix it? Just dissing Republicans--even as fine a job as you've done above--isn't gonna get us anywhere. Somehow we have to get together in the future to get anything done.

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Deus X wrote:

Feel better now?  Good for you!

Oh yeah. Smile

So what's the solution? The Stupid Person's Party has the Presidency, both Houses of Congress and controls roughly 60% of State governments.
 https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/14/1598918/-Republicans-now-dominate-state-government-with-32-legislatures-and-33-governors

How could the "Smart Peoples Party" have let that happen?

Because there are more stupid people than there are smart ones. It's like George Carlin said - "Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize that half of them are stupider than that!"



What's wrong with our country that this could happen? Other nations manage to have nice things, what's wrong with us?

Is it Democracy itself that's flawed or maybe the intersection of Capitalism and Democracy?

Pretty much the intersection. And I'm not really sure it's fixable, because it require America to get a conscience, or to become more totalitarian... which is most definitely not a good thing.

What gets us here is that it's profitable to exploit people's stupidity, and that requires keeping them stupid so they keep giving out. People like Rush Limbaugh started it, and things like FOX News continue it. It's pure shite that just keeps people angry, confused, divided, and working against their own interests... but, it's profitable to the people who do it, so, they do it. That's the capitalism... and the freedom to air such tripe is the democracy.

And, that's why I'm not sure there's any solution. It'd be better if people didn't provide a market for that junk, but I'm not in favor of taking it off the air because that'd be against the freedom the country's founded on. Censorship's no good, even when the stuff that'd be cut off is poison. So we're stuck with it, since cutting it off would be worse. With the internet, stupid people are going to find support groups, anyway, so there'd really be no stopping it even if things became more totalitarian.

The only thing we can do is offer alternatives that are more attractive, and stop pretending the stupid people aren't stupid. I support their right to believe that hogwash, but I also support the right to brand 'em idiots for doing it. I would say we could defeat them in the war of ideas... but, really, we've already done that and it does no good, because they've got a cult mentality. They're gonna believe absurdities no matter how much sense you talk to them. That's kept the South in Republican hands for decades despite having zero actual reasons to support it.

How do we fix it? Just dissing Republicans--even as fine a job as you've done above--isn't gonna get us anywhere. Somehow we have to get together in the future to get anything done.

Like I said, we can just keep trying to get the message out, but, considering what we're dealing with, I don't know how much good it'll do. Democrats definitely need to work on messaging and appeal, as well as doing a better job delivering on some things, but there's so much struggle within the party I'm not sure how well that'll work, either. I get people not liking Hillary -- I don't think she's that bad, but there are legit grievances -- and I also get people not liking Bernie (I don't think anybody's ever been more completely full of shit and ignorant about real-life economics than that guy, even though his basic goals are good... in all honestly, I loathe the Commie-coddling old bastard, although I'd still have voted for him over a Republican, no question). So I'm not sure what'll make people meet in the middle when they're getting entrenched within the party. To my thinking, we should focus on annihilating the Republican party first, then settle the sectarian struggles in the party once they've been put down. But, it's hard to convince people of that when they like squabbling over stuff like "can we have free college or just make it cheaper" more than they do "hey, let's keep the guy who likes Nazis out of office."

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zsomething wrote:...the Commie-coddling old bastard

Yikes! Speechless, slack-jawed and agape.

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Deus X wrote:
zsomething wrote:...the Commie-coddling old bastard

Yikes!  Speechless, slack-jawed and agape.

There was footage of Bernie praising Castro. Plus the Republicans were sitting on documentations of meetings Bernie attended where songs about murdering all the capitalists were sung. They had a treasure trove of hit-material to unleash on that one-trick-pony if they got the chance. Hillary wasn't a great candidate, but Bernie was a worse one. Like I said, he had some worthy ideas, overall, but had zero realistic plans on how to implement them. So, nope, I'm not a Bernie fan.

Elizabeth Warren has similar goals, but much better knowledge of how they could be done. If we're going to go that far left - which isn't really something I'd advise because the country's more centrist than that - then I'd have more faith in her.

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zsomething wrote:
Elizabeth Warren has similar goals, but much better knowledge of how they could be done.  If we're going to go that far left - which isn't really something I'd advise because the country's more centrist than that - then I'd have more faith in her.  

Elizabeth Warren is just ahead of the curve. Eventually, between AI and robotics, we're going to have to pay people NOT to work. Finland and Canada, among other countries, are already experimenting with Universal Basic Income (UBI), and Finland isn't even monetarily sovereign--it's part of the EU. Alaska has had a version of it since the '80s. There's a ton of stuff on the internet about it, just google Universal Basic Income.





























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Deus X wrote:
Feel better now?  Good for you!

So what's the solution? The Stupid Person's Party has the Presidency, both Houses of Congress and controls roughly 60% of State governments.
 https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/14/1598918/-Republicans-now-dominate-state-government-with-32-legislatures-and-33-governors

How could the "Smart Peoples Party" have let that happen? What's wrong with our country that this could happen? Other nations manage to have nice things, what's wrong with us?

Is it Democracy itself that's flawed or maybe the intersection of Capitalism and Democracy?

How do we fix it? Just dissing Republicans--even as fine a job as you've done above--isn't gonna get us anywhere. Somehow we have to get together in the future to get anything done.


"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite."

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EmeraldGhost wrote:
Deus X wrote:
Feel better now?  Good for you!

So what's the solution? The Stupid Person's Party has the Presidency, both Houses of Congress and controls roughly 60% of State governments.
 https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/14/1598918/-Republicans-now-dominate-state-government-with-32-legislatures-and-33-governors

How could the "Smart Peoples Party" have let that happen? What's wrong with our country that this could happen? Other nations manage to have nice things, what's wrong with us?

Is it Democracy itself that's flawed or maybe the intersection of Capitalism and Democracy?

How do we fix it? Just dissing Republicans--even as fine a job as you've done above--isn't gonna get us anywhere. Somehow we have to get together in the future to get anything done.


"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite."





Right now I'll settle for placing republicans where they belong. As hosts of their own reality shows where they can fire people at will or talking heads on some Fox News Pravda bullshit hour.

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Telstar wrote:

Right now I'll settle for placing republicans where they belong. As hosts of their own reality shows where they can fire people at will or talking heads on some Fox News Pravda bullshit hour.


You're just not paying attention 'Telly.'  

The Trumpublic is pretty much being run like a teevee reality show ... with real world consequences!!!

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