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Southern Heritage vs. Northern Heritage...

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All this talk about "Southern Heritage" has me wondering...

Does anyone here know exactly what the differences are between southern and northern heritage?

Is it biscuits vs. toast?  Country ham vs. Taylor ham?  Grits vs. Cream of Wheat?

Seriously, can anyone explain these differences in "heritage"?  
(slavery aside. we know who's who on that issue)

I've beginning to realize southern heritage is all bullshit, and there is really only one heritage, thats the American heritage.

What say ye PDF braintrust?   Wink

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panhandler wrote:All this talk about "Southern Heritage" has me wondering...

Does anyone here know exactly what the differences are between southern and northern heritage?

Is it biscuits vs. toast?  Country ham vs. Taylor ham?  Grits vs. Cream of Wheat?

Seriously, can anyone explain these differences in "heritage"?  
(slavery aside. we know who's who on that issue)

I've beginning to realize southern heritage is all bullshit, and there is really only one heritage, thats the American heritage.

What say ye PDF braintrust?   Wink

It was toast or biscuits, hash browns and not cream of wheat and we also had country ham. SOS on toast, pork chops with only fat on the bones, hardly any meat. Navy beans cooked for hours with ham or ham bone. As far as I can remember there was no yankee heritage we were all American's. Maybe one thing that stood out were most manufacturing businesses closed for the 1st two weeks of November for deer season which were 3 times the size as southern deer. We did not fish in the Gulf but lakes and caught bluegill, bass, trout, smelt runs, etc. But again unless I missed had no nothern heritage. Possible I missed it since my mother, two older sisters and older brother were born in Tn and migrated to the North during WWII.

zsomething



Oh, there's a difference. Some of it's good, some of it's bad.

Overall, I love the South. I'm not proud of a lot of our history, and I'm embarrassed that we've got so many truly stupid, nasty people... but, I love our climate, our landscape, our heritage of literature and music (pretty much all American music has its roots down here... and almost all of it's from Black people). We do have a laid-back homeyness that's good. There's a lot of good about the South... you just have to sift through some really ugly muck on the way to finding it.

But as for statues being "heritage"... nah. Those statues need to come down, and that flag needs to go into a museum. That's not our "heritage" -- that's a mistake we made that a lot of people are too insecure to admit is a mistake. I don't know why they want reminders of our worst moments. It's like having a really good family full of artists and writers and great cooks and just really creative people, and when it comes time to build a statue to one of 'em, everybody goes, "Ooo, let's make it a statue of Grandpa Jedediah, who had carnal relations with more pigs and sheep than anybody in Piddleshit County!" I mean, it makes no sense.

Those statues of Lee and co. are just there to intimidate black people. This thread on Twitter explains it pretty well. I don't know why we'd want them when we could have more statues of Robert Johnson, Howlin' Wolf, Eudora Welty, William Faulkner, Tennesee Williams, Jim Henson, Oprah, Elvis, B.B. King, James Meredith, Newt Knight, Fannie Lou Hamer, Richard Wright, Muddy Waters... hell, there's a lot of people the South could be more proud of than Robert E. Lee. And I don't even hate Robert E. Lee -- he was a conflicted man, and he was a brilliant general, but he fought on the wrong cause, and he got thousands of Southerners killed for nothing. I can understand not despising him completely, because he was complex... but, he doesn't need a statue, nor to be revered. The South needs to let go of that war already. The way Germany did with their big mistake.

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zsomething wrote:Oh, there's a difference.  Some of it's good, some of it's bad.

Overall, I love the South.  I'm not proud of a lot of our history, and I'm embarrassed that we've got so many truly stupid, nasty people... but, I love our climate, our landscape, our heritage of literature and music (pretty much all American music has its roots down here... and almost all of it's from Black people).  We do have a laid-back homeyness that's good.  There's a lot of good about the South... you just have to sift through some really ugly muck on the way to finding it.

But as for statues being "heritage"... nah.  Those statues need to come down, and that flag needs to go into a museum.  That's not our "heritage" -- that's a mistake we made that a lot of people are too insecure to admit is a mistake.  I don't know why they want reminders of our worst moments.   It's like having a really good family full of artists and writers and great cooks and just really creative people, and when it comes time to build a statue to one of 'em, everybody goes, "Ooo, let's make it a statue of Grandpa Jedediah, who had carnal relations with more pigs and sheep than anybody in Piddleshit County!"   I mean, it makes no sense.  

Those statues of Lee and co. are just there to intimidate black people.  This thread on Twitter explains it pretty well.   I don't know why we'd want them when we could have more statues of Robert Johnson, Howlin' Wolf, Eudora Welty, William Faulkner, Tennesee Williams, Jim Henson, Oprah, Elvis, B.B. King, James Meredith, Newt Knight, Fannie Lou Hamer, Richard Wright, Muddy Waters... hell, there's a lot of people the South could be more proud of than Robert E. Lee.  And I don't even hate Robert E. Lee -- he was a conflicted man, and he was a brilliant general, but he fought on the wrong cause, and he got thousands of Southerners killed for nothing.  I can understand not despising him completely, because he was complex... but, he doesn't need a statue, nor to be revered.  The South needs to let go of that war already.  The way Germany did with their big mistake.

Thank you Z. Once again... Well said!

asciighost



I'm a 3rd generation northern who escaped the socialist heritage of the north. Evil or Very Mad

Fun fact: Switzerland is the only other nation to ever describe itself as a confederacy. But if you tell some people that, it triggers them. bounce  Use it wisely.

Even though the south was against "Federal government" this is where the most/biggest military bases are. Military=federal government

Even though the south was segregated. Milwaukee is was,still,will continue to be the most segregated city in America.

The people here in the south which have melinated skin are much better citizens (through fear of God) than those in the north who blame all their problems on everything except themselves.

In the cities where blacks are the majority, but whites are the minority (Selma) the majority does not treat the minority as such.

The women run the show in the south, because the men over generations lost the knowledge how to do things. Slavery gave many a reason not to be productive, so now many men here are feeling that generations later. Up north family business will be passed from generation to generation, allowing for "privilege" into a well paying job, as well as lots of knowledge on the job via apprentice style transfer of company.

PkrBum

PkrBum

More identity politics... how surprising. Rolling Eyes

asciighost



PkrBum wrote:More identity politics... how surprising.  Rolling Eyes

Collective politics are better eh? I mean, who would build the roads without our welcoming collective effort of paying taxes?

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zsomething wrote:I don't even hate Robert E. Lee -- he was a conflicted man, and he was a brilliant general...

Lee wasn't a "brilliant general", he completely misread the circumstances. The south didn't have to win the war, all they had to do was NOT LOSE the war, but there was no glory in a defensive war.

Robert E. Lee almost single-handedly LOST the Civil War. He should be reviled not glorified in the South.

Robert E. Lee is widely regarded as the Civil War’s greatest soldier. Terms like “genius” and “invincible” abound in the literature of the war. This has not been a unanimous opinion, but the minority voices have never tarnished the general’s luster.

Edward Bonekemper’s How Robert E. Lee Lost the Civil War is a wide-ranging negative analysis, beginning with the early field command in West Virginia where Bonekemper sees two of Lee’s faults that persisted throughout his career: failure to take charge of the battlefield and overly complex and ineffective battle orders. Appointed to command the Army of Northern Virginia, in the “slaughter on the Peninsula,” Lee manifested another characteristic, a penchant for costly frontal attacks that produced “losses that the outmanned Confederates simply could not absorb.” Lee, Bonekemper asserts, simply did not understand Civil War ordnance and his leadership “squandered the Confederacy’s chances of winning the war.”

Because of Lee’s headlong offensive strategy and tactics, Lee’s battles, won or lost, were failures. His masterpiece at Chancellorsville was really a “victory that wasn’t” because “the Confederates decimated themselves in frontal attacks on the Union’s defenders.”

Bonekemper plainly states the premises: “Even without two huge armies guarding the portals, a defensive strategy would have exploited the South’s advantages: its great size, its difficult mountains, forests and swamps, and the practical inaccessibility of much of its territory…. These could have inhibited Northern movements and allowed the Confederacy to pursue a long war, preserving its other, more limited, resources, especially its manpower. In time the North might have become weary of its inability to end the war and stop the losses.”

He continues, “Lee sought from first to last to fight an offensive war–that is, a war of battles and marches against the armies of the North. This offensive war, though it produced many spectacular clashes and campaigns…, ultimately failed because Lee’s methods and his strategy were insufficient to overcome the South’s weakness in arms and manpower.”

http://www.historynet.com/book-review-how-robert-e-lee-lost-the-civil-war-edward-h-bonekemper-iii-and-robert-e-lees-civil-war-bevin-alexander-cwt.htm

And who in recent history learned that lesson so well? Hmm-m-m, let me think...

bigdog



Southern Heritage is Black heritage but nobody down here likes to admit it. We all love black music. Elvis was just as much a black singer as Nat King Cole was. Maybe more so. We all go to church on Sunday morning and eat fried chicken on Sunday afternoon. We all talk with a mixed up drawl that is half black and half white and we all get mad when women are treated badly. We don't forget our mamas. We are the most patriotic people in America and the most fierce fighters during a war. That's part of our Celtic origins. We open doors for women out of respect and for the most part, we do what they tell us to do because we know our mamas were a lot smarter than we were. Yeah, there is a definite Southern heritage that doesn't exist up north. I'm not ashamed to be a Southerner but I am ashamed of how we vote down here because it's downright stupid. voting against things that are good for us is just dumb.

PkrBum

PkrBum

Southern voting is largely for limited govt and lower taxes. I'm sure that seems "dumb" to you... but the South values individual rights and not an enormous central govt. I doubt I could explain it in a way that leftists can even understand anymore.  They don't teach it in govt schools these days.

But don't worry... no one will have any clue about individual rights in a few more generations.

“When an opponent declares, ‘I will not come over to your side,’ I calmly say, ‘Your child belongs to us already. … What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.’” Hitler 1933

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bigdog wrote:Southern Heritage is Black heritage but nobody down here likes to admit it. We all love black music. Elvis was just as much a black singer as Nat King Cole was. Maybe more so.  We all go to church on Sunday morning and eat fried chicken on Sunday afternoon. We all talk with a mixed up drawl that is half black and half white and we all get mad when women are treated badly. We don't forget our mamas. We are the most patriotic people in America and the most fierce fighters during a war. That's part of our Celtic origins. We open doors for women out of respect and for the most part, we do what they tell us to do because we know our mamas were a lot smarter than we were. Yeah, there is a definite Southern heritage that doesn't exist up north. I'm not ashamed to be a Southerner but I am ashamed of how we vote down here because it's downright stupid. voting against things that are good for us is just dumb.

Great! More imbecility from ignorant cracker trash. Do you actually believe all that bullshit? I swear to god, there's a direct correlation between the consumption of grits as a child and diminished capacity in adults.

bigdog



First of all, I don't think Southern voting has anything to do with less government. I think it's about abortion and race and not much else.

Deux, are you denying that rock and roll and the blues aren't related? Because if you are you disagree with nearly every music critic out there. If you were from here you'd know that fried chicken on Sunday is not a myth. Do men open doors for women up north? I've been there and I haven't seen it. It is different in this part of the country and always has been. It's got its good parts and its very bad parts. But one thing it isn't is New York City.

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bigdog wrote:First of all, I don't think Southern voting has anything to do with less government. I think it's about abortion and race and not much else.

Deux, are you denying that rock and roll and the blues aren't related? Because if you are you disagree with nearly every music critic out there. If you were from here you'd know that fried chicken on Sunday is not a myth. Do men open doors for women up north? I've been there and I haven't seen it. It is different in this part of the country and always has been. It's got its good parts and its very bad parts. But one thing it isn't is New York City.

In my NYC experience (20 years) It is not uncommon for men to open doors for women.
NYC is not the total North experience. NYC in unique to itself. There is much more to the North than NYC. They can get real countryfied in other parts.

You got me on the chicken! Laughing

asciighost



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_socialist_mayors_in_the_United_States

The most recent was Milwaukee, from 1948-1960.

2seaoat



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_socialist_mayors_in_the_United_States

The most recent was Milwaukee, from 1948-1960.

I had my first BB ribs as a child on a roof in Milwaukee as we were visiting some of my father's friends. Germans were plentiful in Milwaukee in the fifties, and electing a socialist was considered middle of the road.

I think the biggest detriment to the south is the lack of diversity, and having first generation immigrants. My grandmother in Birmingham referred to the "Italians" next door. Their family had been in America since 1880s, but in the scotch irish mono culture.....they were Italians.......poverty, lack of education, and lack of diversity.

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

zsomething wrote: ...
Overall, I love the South.  I'm not proud of a lot of our history, and I'm embarrassed that we've got so many truly stupid, nasty people...

myths, stereotypes, etc etc.

I grew up a proud country boy & Son of the South.   I've since lived all over the USA, spent a little time foreign, and found people are pretty much the same wherever ya go.   From my observations the number of "truly stupid, nasty people" per capita is about the same everywhere.

Oh ... and Southerners have no monopoly on "hospitality" either. I've known some downright inhospitable Southerners and some very hospitable people elsewhere ... even in Manhattan.

Telstar

Telstar

EmeraldGhost wrote:
zsomething wrote: ...
Overall, I love the South.  I'm not proud of a lot of our history, and I'm embarrassed that we've got so many truly stupid, nasty people...

myths, stereotypes, etc etc.

I grew up a proud country boy & Son of the South.   I've since lived all over the USA, spent a little time foreign, and found people are pretty much the same wherever ya go.   From my observations the number of "truly stupid, nasty people" per capita is about the same everywhere.

Oh ... and Southerners have no monopoly on "hospitality" either.   I've known some downright inhospitable Southerners and some very hospitable people elsewhere ... even in Manhattan.






I saw Daniels when he was at his peak 35 years ago, before he became a dancing monkey at Sean Hannity/ Fox Snews Pravda, Red White and Blue hillbilly tours. Does he still perform Uneasy Rider at concerts? Hard to see that song going over well with the Hannity/Fox crowd.

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