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51 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:00 am

Telstar wrote:According to the Post, after an FBI investigation, state and local officials in Illinois confiscated four weapons he owned and revoked his firearm license. Reinking volunteered to give up his guns, police said. But when the authorities arrived to confiscate the weapons, Reinking’s father was there and asked to keep the weapons, according to the Post. After he showed them his firearms license and assured them he would keep the weapons from his son, the police agreed to let him keep them. Later, the father acknowledged he returned the guns to his son. One of those guns was the AR-15 Reinking allegedly used in the shooting.

In the fall, Reinking moved to the Nashville area and started working in construction. Police said that around three weeks ago he was fired from a job, but he started another on April 16. He had not shown up for work since then.

Police said they believe he may have a pistol that is missing from his apartment.



https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/what-we-know-waffle-house-shooting-suspect-travis-reinking.html

Turns out this shooter was a "sovereign citizen". Who wants to bet his father is, too? I knew a kid like this. Can you imagine how hard it is to get a job...keep a job?

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52 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:29 am

The father should be culpable. Similar to the mother in ga i think that kept unsecured guns in the home with her mentally ill son. I know she was killed first... but part of being a responsible gun owner is control of your guns and an awareness of potential harm being done. This seems to be glossed over similar to the way felons possessing guns is. There are focal issues inside of the big leftist push for more gun controls. Unless those things are taken seriously then gun control is just a leftist political tactic.

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53 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:42 am

PkrBum wrote:The father should be culpable. Similar to the mother in ga i think that kept unsecured guns in the home with her mentally ill son. I know she was killed first... but part of being a responsible gun owner is control of your guns and an awareness of potential harm being done. This seems to be glossed over similar to the way felons possessing guns is. There are focal issues inside of the big leftist push for more gun controls. Unless those things are taken seriously then gun control is just a leftist political tactic.

Yes, there are "focal issues"...like banning weapons that are intended for conducting war and can do massive harm...like keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. And, yes, the father should bear responsibility, but so should the police.

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54 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:03 am

Floridatexan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:The father should be culpable. Similar to the mother in ga i think that kept unsecured guns in the home with her mentally ill son. I know she was killed first... but part of being a responsible gun owner is control of your guns and an awareness of potential harm being done. This seems to be glossed over similar to the way felons possessing guns is. There are focal issues inside of the big leftist push for more gun controls. Unless those things are taken seriously then gun control is just a leftist political tactic.

Yes, there are "focal issues"...like banning weapons that are intended for conducting war and can do massive harm...like keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.  And, yes, the father should bear responsibility, but so should the police.

They average deer rifle is much more lethal than your "assault weapons". That something looks scary doesn't shit.

It's just a political ploy.

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55 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:44 pm

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56 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:48 pm


Nope, it's a sporting rifle like any other semi-auto rifle with a magazine (one trigger pull, one bullet). Since most anti-gun magpies like to embellish things, uninformed people think they are something else. Personally I don't see the need for them or max capacity magazines but i'm not going to call them what they are not just to make a political statement.

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57 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:02 pm


https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/

ALL GUNS CAN kill, but they do not kill equally.

Compare the damage an AR-15 and a 9mm handgun can do to the human body: “One looks like a grenade went off in there,” says Peter Rhee, a trauma surgeon at the University of Arizona. “The other looks like a bad knife cut.”

The AR-15 is America’s most popular rifle. It has also been the weapon of choice in mass shootings from Sandy Hook to Aurora to San Bernardino. In Orlando this past week, the shooter used a Sig Sauer MCX, an AR-15 style rifle originally developed for special ops, to kill 49 people in the Pulse nightclub. The carnage sparked new calls to reinstate a ban on assault rifles like the AR-15, which were designed as weapons of war.

It’s possible to argue about everything when it comes to the politics of guns—including about the definition of “assault rifle” itself—but it’s harder to argue about physics. So let's consider the physics of an AR-15.

A bullet with more energy can do more damage. Its total kinetic energy is equal to one-half the mass of the bullet times its velocity squared. The bullet from a handgun is—as absurd as it may sound—slow compared to that from an AR-15. It can be stopped by the thick bone of the upper leg. It might pass through the body, only to become lodged in skin, which is surprisingly elastic.

The bullet from an AR-15 does an entirely different kind of violence to the human body. It’s relatively small, but it leaves the muzzle at three times the speed of a handgun bullet. It has so much energy that it can disintegrate three inches of leg bone. “It would just turn it to dust,” says Donald Jenkins, a trauma surgeon at University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio. If it hits the liver, “the liver looks like a jello mold that’s been dropped on the floor.” And the exit wound can be a nasty, jagged hole the size of an orange.

These high-velocity bullets can damage flesh inches away from their path, either because they fragment or because they cause something called cavitation. When you trail your fingers through water, the water ripples and curls. When a high-velocity bullet pierces the body, human tissues ripples as well—but much more violently. The bullet from an AR-15 might miss the femoral artery in the leg, but cavitation may burst the artery anyway, causing death by blood loss. A swath of stretched and torn tissue around the wound may die. That’s why, says Rhee, a handgun wound might require only one surgery but an AR-15 bullet wound might require three to ten.

Then, multiply the damage from a single bullet by the ease of shooting an AR-15, which doesn’t kick. “The gun barely moves. You can sit there boom boom boom and reel off shots as fast as you can move your finger,” says Ernest Moore, a trauma surgeon at Denver Health and editor of the Journal of Trauma and Acute Surgery, which just published an issue dedicated to gun violence.

Handguns kill plenty of people too, of course, and they’re responsible for the vast majority of America’s gun deaths. But a single bullet from a handgun is not likely to be as deadly as one from an AR-15.

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58 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:14 am

gatorfan wrote:

Nope, it's a sporting rifle like any other semi-auto rifle with a magazine (one trigger pull, one bullet). Since most anti-gun magpies like to embellish things, uninformed people think they are something else. Personally I don't see the need for them or max capacity magazines but i'm not going to call them what they are not just to make a political statement.

So its for rabbit hunting. OK my bad.

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59 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:45 am

Anybody hunting with an AR-15 is an asshole of the highest magnitude. The only exception I might make is if you're hunting pigs, which run in big herds and don't tend to be killed for eating, anyway, just to contain a menace. But AR-15 bullets aren't good for hunting because they tear up meat too badly, and there's nothing "sporting" about them.

Also, anybody who claims "a deer rifle is more lethal" doesn't understand the fucking issue. Deer rifles don't have the same capacity and rate of fire. And when you're talking about the damage the bullet does, an AR-15 round does so much damage that the point is pretty well moot. The "regular deer rifle is worse" argument is so stupid that anyone using it is too dumb to take part in the conversation and should spare anyone else from the burden of having to interact with their idiotic ass.

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60 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:21 am

It's you that doesn't know your guns. Even the old .30 cal carbine (m1) with modern soft projectiles is a more lethal weapon. They also make magazined 30 30, 30 06, .44, even the 7mm. Btw... an ar is just a .223 rifle made to look scary. Granted... it's a very fast bullet and there are shells that maximize damage (as in nearly every caliber)... it's however a very small bullet that most states dont allow for use on larger game.

Beyond all that... violent crime is declining and mass murders are rare. A few common sense fixes and a little bureaucratic competence would improve that further. The unlawful are going to break the law... big duh.

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61 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:06 pm

Maryland GOP governor signs gun-violence legislation into law

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) on Tuesday signed a series of bills aimed at addressing gun violence into law.

The bills include a ban on “bump stocks” and a so-called red flag law, which makes it easier for law enforcement to take guns away from individuals deemed to be dangerous, according to HuffPost.

Hogan praised the legislation package as a series of “common-sense, bipartisan measures that will keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and those with criminal backgrounds,” the news outlet reported.

The package also included increased restrictions on gun purchases for domestic abusers and $5 million in funding for gun violence prevention programs.

The state has had a ban on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines since 2013, according to HuffPost.

After the Parkland, Fla., school shooting in February, Hogan came out against President Trump’s plan to arm teachers and vowed to fund school safety measures in the state.

The governor, who is up for reelection this year, again called for action on gun violence after a March school shooting in Maryland.

Hogan’s actions follow similar measures in Oregon, Vermont and Ohio amid the renewed national conversation on gun violence.



http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/384718-maryland-gop-governor-signs-major-gun-violence-legislation-into-law

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62 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:20 pm

Telstar wrote:Maryland GOP governor signs gun-violence legislation into law

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) on Tuesday signed a series of bills aimed at addressing gun violence into law.

The bills include a ban on “bump stocks” and a so-called red flag law, which makes it easier for law enforcement to take guns away from individuals deemed to be dangerous, according to HuffPost.

Hogan praised the legislation package as a series of “common-sense, bipartisan measures that will keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and those with criminal backgrounds,” the news outlet reported.

The package also included increased restrictions on gun purchases for domestic abusers and $5 million in funding for gun violence prevention programs.

The state has had a ban on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines since 2013, according to HuffPost.

After the Parkland, Fla., school shooting in February, Hogan came out against President Trump’s plan to arm teachers and vowed to fund school safety measures in the state.

The governor, who is up for reelection this year, again called for action on gun violence after a March school shooting in Maryland.

Hogan’s actions follow similar measures in Oregon, Vermont and Ohio amid the renewed national conversation on gun violence.

cheers cheers cheers

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63 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue May 01, 2018 12:26 pm

"In Afghanistan, from the start of the war in 2001 to August 2016, there have been 2,384 American casualties. In Chicago, since 2009 to August 2016, there have been 3,686 homicides."

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64 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue May 01, 2018 1:56 pm

They say that more guns means more protection but not when one of their own candy coated snowflakes is in the house. Thank you shit hole states for voting this cup cake just a KFC bucket of chicken away from the oval office. Twisted Evil



Parkland students criticise NRA for gun ban at Pence event

The National Rifle Association (NRA) has drawn the ire of gun-control advocates over a weapons ban at a forum attended by Vice-President Mike Pence.

Survivors of the Parkland, Florida school shooting have criticised the powerful gun lobby for the weapons ban, saying schools deserve the same.

The NRA has long been against gun restrictions of any kind, but cites Mr Pence's safety for the weapons ban.

Temporary gun bans are often imposed at events protected by the Secret Service.

Mr Pence will speak at the NRA's annual meeting in Dallas, Texas, on Friday.

President Donald Trump is also expected to make an appearance at the convention, the White House said, which would mark his fourth time speaking to the gun rights group. He is the only president to have done so while in office.

"Due to the attendance of the Vice-President of the United States, the US Secret Service will be responsible for event security at the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum," the NRA said in a blog post about the event.

"As a result, firearms and firearm accessories, knives or weapons of any kind will be prohibited in the forum prior to and during his attendance."

While the NRA said the policy was due to US Secret Service protocol, survivors of the deadly Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in February pointed out what they said was hypocrisy.

Cameron Kasky, one of the student founders of the March for Our Lives movement in the wake of the Parkland shooting, shared the NRA's post on Twitter, calling the group a "hilarious parody".


Matt Deitsch, another student leader for the movement chimed, saying "it sounds like the NRA wants to protect people who help them sell guns, not kids".


Fred Guttenberg, whose 14-year-old daughter Jaime Guttenberg was one of 17 killed in the 14 Feb massacre, also spoke out about the apparent double standard.

He pointed out that the gun rights group has advocated for arming teachers in school to promote safety while banning NRA members from doing the same at the event.

Parkland students are not the only ones up in arms about the NRA event's gun ban for Mr Pence. Some NRA members were also critical online of the gun rights group's decision.

"I'm not saying Pence shouldn't have security," wrote one commenter on Texas CHL, a forum for firearm-related discussions.

"I'm saying that by having him speak at the largest gathering of 2A supporters, but not allowing good guys to carry guns makes our entire argument weak," he added, referring to the second amendment (the right to own guns written in the US Constitution).

The same post went on to say that Mr Pence could have given his speech remotely, adding that "now the left will be saying that even the Republicans don't trust good guys with a gun and they will be correct".

Some forum users, however, insisted the ban on weapons for Mr Pence was different.

"Come on guys- the President and Vice-President aren't "regular guys"... and should not be expected to do what we do," said one user.

"Expecting them to speak at a large gathering of armed, UNVETTED people with no checks on their background or mental state is literally the dumbest thing I have read on this forum in a while."

An estimated 80,000 people are expected to attend the meeting, which will feature "15 acres" of firearms, weapons and hunting accessories, according to the event website.

None of these weapons will be allowed inside during Mr Pence's visit, however.

When Mr Trump spoke at an NRA event in Atlanta last year, a similar weapons ban was imposed.

A spokesman for the NRA told the Washington Post that any "individuals determined to be carrying firearms will not be allowed past a predetermined outer perimeter checkpoint, regardless of whether they possess a ticket" for Mr Pence's event.




http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43952652

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65 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue May 01, 2018 2:47 pm

Telstar wrote:They say that more guns means more protection but not when one of their own candy coated snowflakes is in the house. Thank you shit hole states for voting this cup cake just a KFC bucket of chicken away from the oval office. Twisted Evil



Parkland students criticise NRA for gun ban at Pence event

The National Rifle Association (NRA) has drawn the ire of gun-control advocates over a weapons ban at a forum attended by Vice-President Mike Pence.

Survivors of the Parkland, Florida school shooting have criticised the powerful gun lobby for the weapons ban, saying schools deserve the same.

The NRA has long been against gun restrictions of any kind, but cites Mr Pence's safety for the weapons ban.

Temporary gun bans are often imposed at events protected by the Secret Service.

Mr Pence will speak at the NRA's annual meeting in Dallas, Texas, on Friday.

President Donald Trump is also expected to make an appearance at the convention, the White House said, which would mark his fourth time speaking to the gun rights group. He is the only president to have done so while in office.

"Due to the attendance of the Vice-President of the United States, the US Secret Service will be responsible for event security at the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum," the NRA said in a blog post about the event.

"As a result, firearms and firearm accessories, knives or weapons of any kind will be prohibited in the forum prior to and during his attendance."

While the NRA said the policy was due to US Secret Service protocol, survivors of the deadly Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in February pointed out what they said was hypocrisy.

Cameron Kasky, one of the student founders of the March for Our Lives movement in the wake of the Parkland shooting, shared the NRA's post on Twitter, calling the group a "hilarious parody".


Matt Deitsch, another student leader for the movement chimed, saying "it sounds like the NRA wants to protect people who help them sell guns, not kids".


Fred Guttenberg, whose 14-year-old daughter Jaime Guttenberg was one of 17 killed in the 14 Feb massacre, also spoke out about the apparent double standard.

He pointed out that the gun rights group has advocated for arming teachers in school to promote safety while banning NRA members from doing the same at the event.

Parkland students are not the only ones up in arms about the NRA event's gun ban for Mr Pence. Some NRA members were also critical online of the gun rights group's decision.

"I'm not saying Pence shouldn't have security," wrote one commenter on Texas CHL, a forum for firearm-related discussions.

"I'm saying that by having him speak at the largest gathering of 2A supporters, but not allowing good guys to carry guns makes our entire argument weak," he added, referring to the second amendment (the right to own guns written in the US Constitution).

The same post went on to say that Mr Pence could have given his speech remotely, adding that "now the left will be saying that even the Republicans don't trust good guys with a gun and they will be correct".

Some forum users, however, insisted the ban on weapons for Mr Pence was different.

"Come on guys- the President and Vice-President aren't "regular guys"... and should not be expected to do what we do," said one user.

"Expecting them to speak at a large gathering of armed, UNVETTED people with no checks on their background or mental state is literally the dumbest thing I have read on this forum in a while."

An estimated 80,000 people are expected to attend the meeting, which will feature "15 acres" of firearms, weapons and hunting accessories, according to the event website.

None of these weapons will be allowed inside during Mr Pence's visit, however.

When Mr Trump spoke at an NRA event in Atlanta last year, a similar weapons ban was imposed.

A spokesman for the NRA told the Washington Post that any "individuals determined to be carrying firearms will not be allowed past a predetermined outer perimeter checkpoint, regardless of whether they possess a ticket" for Mr Pence's event.




http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43952652




The No Rifles Allowed just announced that Bone Spur himself will appear at their cult meeting. Why Not? After all they paid plenty to put these two cream puffs where they are using the money grifted from useful idiot NRA members. Let's hope that the city of Dallas does a good job at security. Remember what happened that time when Rafiel Ted Cruz's daddy was lurking around. Dallas has a long history of dropping the ball when it comes to security.

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66 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Fri May 18, 2018 11:48 pm

New Evidence Shows the Vegas Shooter Was Probably a Far-Right Extremist, but No One Will Say It


Despite the seemingly overwhelming evidence that the 2017 mass murder on the Las Vegas Strip may have been motivated by extreme-right-wing ideology, law enforcement officials still say they have no idea what caused Stephen Paddock to commit one of the deadliest mass shootings of all time.

After losing a court battle to keep them private, the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department on Wednesday released a trove of documents from the investigation into the Oct. 1, 2017, shooting that left 58 people dead in Las Vegas.

The 1,200 pages of police reports, eyewitness accounts and interviews reveal that Paddock shared some of the same narratives espoused by the right-wing nuts who believe that the government is coming to confiscate their guns and implement martial law.

According to the Associated Press, one man told investigators that Paddock believed in the conspiracy theory that the government camps set up by the Federal Emergency Management Agency after Hurricane Katrina were “a dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin’ down doors and ... confiscating guns.”

“Somebody has to wake up the American public and get them to arm themselves. Sometimes sacrifices have to be made,” Paddock allegedly told the man.

The idea that FEMA camps would lead to martial law is a popular conspiracy among far-right groups on the internet and paramilitary militia organizations like the Three Percenters and anti-government groups like the Patriot movement.

Another woman said she overheard a conversation between Paddock and another person in a restaurant about the 1990s standoffs at Waco, Texas, and Ruby Ridge in Idaho. These two events are touchstone events in right-wing, anti-government circles and the white supremacy movement.



https://www.theroot.com/new-evidence-shows-the-vegas-shooter-was-probably-a-far-1826153702

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67 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sat May 19, 2018 7:13 am

Telstar wrote:New Evidence Shows the Vegas Shooter Was Probably a Far-Right Extremist, but No One Will Say It

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Personally, I'm still entertaining the conspiracy theory Paddock was a sometime operative for some ABC agency & was involved in a gun sting or cowboying it and engaging in some illegal gun sales for himself ... and things went wrong somewhere along the line.

But no one will say it.

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68 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sat May 19, 2018 7:58 am

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Telstar wrote:New Evidence Shows the Vegas Shooter Was Probably a Far-Right Extremist, but No One Will Say It

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Personally, I'm still entertaining the conspiracy theory Paddock was a sometime operative for some ABC agency & was involved in a gun sting or cowboying it and engaging in some illegal gun sales for himself ... and things went wrong somewhere along the line.

But no one will say it.







Didn't say if he voted for Gary's Johnson.

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69 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sat May 19, 2018 8:07 am

Telstar wrote:[


Didn't say if he voted for Gary's Johnson.

If we'd all voted for Gary Johnson ... we wouldn't have all this crap going on today that we do. It'd all be peace, prosperity, unicorns, and rainbows, doncha' know !!!





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70 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sat May 19, 2018 8:13 am

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Telstar wrote:[


Didn't say if he voted for Gary's Johnson.

If we'd all voted for Gary Johnson ... we wouldn't have all this crap going on today that we do.  It'd all be peace, prosperity, unicorns, and rainbows, doncha' know !!!







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71 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sat May 19, 2018 9:01 am

Telstar wrote:











My current "sweetheart" ...

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72 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sat May 19, 2018 9:13 am

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73 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sat May 19, 2018 9:18 am

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75 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sat May 19, 2018 9:24 am

Dueling music videos, eh? Well, I s'pose the only question at this point is .... whether the kid on the porch is me or 'Tellie' .... Laughing

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