Never Forget and Never Again

RealLindaL wrote:Good holy grief.  

But we need more guns in this country!!  Let's just get more guns!!  

RealLindaL wrote:Obviously another seriously mentally ill person --- and reportedly armed with an ASSAULT WEAPON, which should never have been allowed to enter the general market.

"When will they ever learn?"

PkrBum wrote:Too bad a that no citizen was legally carrying a concealed gun.

RealLindaL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Too bad a that no citizen was legally carrying a concealed gun.

TOO BAD THE ASSAULT WEAPON WAS AVAILABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

PkrBum wrote:I wonder how many were already felons prohibited from possessing a gun? Much less carrying it in public.

Probably got them from holder and Obama.

EmeraldGhost wrote:

PkrBum wrote:I wonder how many were already felons prohibited from possessing a gun? Much less carrying it in public.

Probably got them from holder and Obama.

None.   You obviously don't know much about this event.  'But that's understandable ... the whole nation doesn't really.

The vast of the majority of the people that got locked up & jammed up in this were middle-class mom&pop club people who nothing to do with the brawl in the parking lot.   Blue collar and small business owners with families.   This was a regularly scheduled State motorcycle association meeting ... the Council of Clubs.   Only about twenty five or so or so of those there were with 1% three patch clubs.

Good thing it wasnt' something like the regularly scheduled meeting of African-American riding clubs .... it'd have been national news 24/7/365 and protests in the streets.

You should read up on it if you're a fan of our Constitutionally protected rights and liberties ... and not a fan of corrupt public officials and their good-ole-boy political networks..

PkrBum wrote:

EmeraldGhost wrote:

PkrBum wrote:I wonder how many were already felons prohibited from possessing a gun? Much less carrying it in public.

Probably got them from holder and Obama.

None.   You obviously don't know much about this event.  'But that's understandable ... the whole nation doesn't really.

The vast of the majority of the people that got locked up & jammed up in this were middle-class mom&pop club people who nothing to do with the brawl in the parking lot.   Blue collar and small business owners with families.   This was a regularly scheduled State motorcycle association meeting ... the Council of Clubs.   Only about twenty five or so or so of those there were with 1% three patch clubs.

Good thing it wasnt' something like the regularly scheduled meeting of African-American riding clubs .... it'd have been national news 24/7/365 and protests in the streets.

You should read up on it if you're a fan of our Constitutionally protected rights and liberties ... and not a fan of corrupt public officials and their good-ole-boy political networks..

Wrong... there were hundreds of weapons confiscated after the melee and numerous felons in possession.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/vehicle-forfeiture-documents-reveal-new-details-about-deadly-biker-shootout/article_0491c81d-7009-52f1-9120-d9cb08b1609e.html

Police in Waco, Texas, have sharply revised downward the number of weapons seized after a deadly brawl in a shopping center parking lot that left nine people dead, 18 wounded and at least 177 facing criminal charges of engaging in an organized criminal activity.

Police said earlier this week they expected to recover 1,000 weapons, but now put the number at about 320.

The constant harping on weapons found on the scene is clearly part of a public relations campaign to make citizens think that any amount of police firepower on the crowd of bikers was justified. But even after taking into account that law enforcement is counting things like pocket knives and wallet chains as weapons, the police have done nothing so far to prove publicly that possessing even the more potent weapons was a crime, or that those arrested were seen brandishing or using them.

EmeraldGhost wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

EmeraldGhost wrote:

PkrBum wrote:I wonder how many were already felons prohibited from possessing a gun? Much less carrying it in public.

Probably got them from holder and Obama.

None.   You obviously don't know much about this event.  'But that's understandable ... the whole nation doesn't really.

The vast of the majority of the people that got locked up & jammed up in this were middle-class mom&pop club people who nothing to do with the brawl in the parking lot.   Blue collar and small business owners with families.   This was a regularly scheduled State motorcycle association meeting ... the Council of Clubs.   Only about twenty five or so or so of those there were with 1% three patch clubs.

Good thing it wasnt' something like the regularly scheduled meeting of African-American riding clubs .... it'd have been national news 24/7/365 and protests in the streets.

You should read up on it if you're a fan of our Constitutionally protected rights and liberties ... and not a fan of corrupt public officials and their good-ole-boy political networks..

Wrong... there were hundreds of weapons confiscated after the melee and numerous felons in possession.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/vehicle-forfeiture-documents-reveal-new-details-about-deadly-biker-shootout/article_0491c81d-7009-52f1-9120-d9cb08b1609e.html

Oh, wow, Pkr !!!   So they siezed hundreds of "weapons", huh?   So how come nobody was charged with a weapons violation?

Police in Waco, Texas, have sharply revised downward the number of weapons seized after a deadly brawl in a shopping center parking lot that left nine people dead, 18 wounded and at least 177 facing criminal charges of engaging in an organized criminal activity.

Police said earlier this week they expected to recover 1,000 weapons, but now put the number at about 320.

That number has since been revised further downward.  And many of those "weapons" were not firearms ... rather things like pocket kinves, wallet chains, etc (do you ever carry a folding knife around in your pocket 'pkr' ?  
I do.   And I have a short aluminum baseball bat that stay under the rear seat of my pickup all the time.   And I always have various tools in my saddlebags (when I have 'em on) and tools in my truck that could be used as a weapon.   And I occasionally even concealed carry when I ride if it's a longer trip.   Did you know many (not all) of the Twin Peaks firearms seizures actually came from vehicles in the parking lot?  (this particular bar and grill was legal for concealed carry, btw)

http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/18/what-really-happened-in-the-waco-motorcy

The constant harping on weapons found on the scene is clearly part of a public relations campaign to make citizens think that any amount of police firepower on the crowd of bikers was justified. But even after taking into account that law enforcement is counting things like pocket knives and wallet chains as weapons, the police have done nothing so far to prove publicly that possessing even the more potent weapons was a crime, or that those arrested were seen brandishing or using them.

Some members of the Bandidos and the upstart 1% Cossacks got into it in the parking lot right outside the restaurant.   There were only 25 or so of them.  Everybody else belonged to various mom & pop clubs and mostly sitting inside the restaurant or milling around outside .... got arrested too.  The vast majority of these people  were essentially arrested for wearing motorcycle jackets or t-shirts.  

Do you even know what these 170 or so people were actually charged with "Pkr" ????  .... not even one weapons violation so far as I've heard.   They were all charged with a catch-all conspiracy type charge called "Engaging in Organized Criminal Activity" and everybody got a 1-million dollar bond ... even if they were just members of some mom & pop club unrelated to the parking lot fight & were just sitting in there enjoying their wings and a pitcher of beer. waiting for the CofC meeting to start.   

It's been three years now .. they dismissed charges on multiple defendants out-of-hand, after a one, two, and even longer delay on some of them.   And they've only managed to put on one trial (a mistrial) in nearly three years ... despite numerous speedy-trial requests by defendants.

City of Waco and McClennan County (abetted by some in the State of Texas) are dragging this out as long as they can  because they have since become aware of how many millions they are going to be sued for when this is all over.   And the (now former) DA Reyna .... crooked as a snake .... look him up.

Bottom line is ... 170+ people got arrested for being in the vicinity of a parking lot brawl between a couple of dozen people at a regularly scheduled motorcycle association meeting ... and all charged with a catch-all charge of felony "Engaging in Organized Criminal Activity" with zero individualized probable cause outlining what each person was supposed to have individually done.   Then they were  given blanket million dollar bonds by a local Justice of the Peace.  Then held for months and months and months awaiting the authorities to sort it all out .... many of them losing their livelihoods during that time and having to pay the costs of defense, electronic ankle monitoring, etc etc.   And in three years they haven't convicted anybody (and nobody's plead-out) delaying the trials despite numerous speedy-trial motions by defense attorneys.  

Try this out for a parallel, Pkr.    Supposing there was some Black Lives Matter or some other such liberal protest event going on ... an event with proper permits ...  and a few Antifa or other radical groups show up & start causing some havoc on the fringes of the event ... say in a nearby parking lot.    How would this have gone down if police came in and arrested everybody at he event with dark skin (wearing motorcycle related gear in the case of Waco incident ... that was the criteria for who would be arrested)     Do you lock up everybody at the event who happens to have dark skin?  What if the local DA shows up at the scene after the fact and starts directing police which restaurant patrons to arrest and which not to?   Then suppose everybody's arrest warrant reads exactly the same and none of them list anything specific the individual is suppose to have done.    Then they haul them down to a local Justice of the Peace who lays million dollar bonds on each and every one regardless of individual circumstances.  How would that go down in the media and courts in this country do you think?    

Or how about this, a pro-2nd Amendment event at a restaurant with various groups attending to coordinate their political strategy  ...  there's an altercation and shooting in the parking lot & police come in and  arrest people based upon what symbols of group affiliation they have on their clothing ... say, an NRA pin.   It's like arresting everyone at a football team wearing fan gear because a few fans got in a brawl underneath the stands.

I'm not saying there were zero bad actors at the Twin Peaks event ... there were a dozen or two .... but the vast majority of those arrested were perfectly innocent of doing anything wrong and not members of any 1% MC.

(I'm kind of writing on the fly here this morning as I'm out of town and have some things to do .... otherwise I would explain more about this legal travesty. But I suggest you do your own research on it.   My legal prediction is there's gonna be a bunch of rich bikers before this is all said and done.   On the one hand I hope so for many of them, but at the same time I hope the property taxes on my Waco house don't go up when the City of Waco and/or McClennan County go bankrupt.    From the time I've spent out there since I bought that house, the place ain't nicknamed Whacko, TX for nothing.   I still look around town hoping to see "The Nuge" when I'm out there ... haven't seen him yet.  He's got a house in town and a ranch about 10 miles out of Waco)

EmeraldGhost wrote:

Truth is ....  most who were aggressors in this melee were shot.  About half by other bikers and about half by police.   Nine dead as I recall.