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27 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:47 pm

WATCH: Parkland survivor David Hogg co-opts NRA propaganda video to call Trump ‘the b*tch’ of the gun lobby


In a video whose style employs scare tactics and lighting similar to those put out by the National Rifle Association, Parkland survivor David Hogg calls out the president and the GOP for acquiescing to the gun lobby.

“What if our politicians weren’t the b*tch of the NRA?” Hogg asked before rolling a video of President Donald Trump telling fellow Republicans they’re “all afraid of the NRA.”

“What if we all voted and said this is not OK?” the Marjory Stoneman Douglas student asked in the video meant as a promotion for the March 24 event “March For Our Lives.”

Watch below:


https://www.rawstory.com/2018/03/watch-parkland-student-david-hogg-co-opts-nra-propaganda-video-call-trump-gun-lobby/

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28 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:52 am

Once a 'proud NRA sellout,' Putnam won't say if he'd use term again

Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam began his gubernatorial campaign by branding himself an “NRA sellout,” and after a Florida school shooting that left 17 dead last week, will not say if he would use the controversial language again.

Putnam, who is running in a heated Republican primary, closed the door late Tuesday on a POLITICO reporter who asked if he would again use the messaging, which showed up in digital ads promoting his campaign, but has now been scrubbed from his website.

The questions came Tuesday after the last of four roundtable meetings convened by Gov. Rick Scott in the wake of the shooting, which happened at Parkland’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. The shooting has rocked the Capitol, and spurred Scott and legislative leaders to begin work on a package of gun reforms.

When first asked by the reporter about the “NRA Sellout” campaign messaging, Putnam said there is no comparison between law-abiding gun owners who have firearm collections or hunt and schools shooters.

“It is just flat wrong to equate those law-abiding citizens with the monster who perpetrated what happened in Parkland,” he told a POLITICO reporter, who did not ask if there was a comparison.

When asked a follow-up question about whether he would use the “NRA sellout” language again, he disappeared with a staffer into a side door leading to his Capitol office.

The digital ads using that language asked people to give their email addresses to "sign up" if they were a "proud #NRASellout," a tool his campaign used to build its internal email lists. The technique of using digital ads to build email lists is a common campaign strategy. They are later used to blast out campaign messages or raise money.



https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2018/02/20/once-a-proud-nra-sellout-putnam-wont-say-if-hed-use-term-again-266329

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29 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:49 pm

This Just in from Mississippi the Queen of Shithole States...


A 9-year-old boy shot his older sister to death over a video game controller, sheriff says

A 9-year-old boy retrieved a gun from his parents' bedroom and shot his 13-year-old sister to death, authorities said, after the two got into an argument over a video game controller.

The incident occurred over the weekend in rural Monroe County, Mississippi, as the children's mother was preparing lunch in the kitchen, the country sheriff said.
"He wanted the controller, and I guess he knew where to find the gun," Sheriff Cecil Cantrell told CNN.
The boy grabbed a handgun, which was kept in a nightstand next to the bed, and shot the sister in the back of the head, the sheriff said.
"This is the first time I've ever dealt with any child that was shot like that," Cantrell said. "And I hope I never deal with it again."
The girl was taken to Le Bonheur Children's Hospital in Memphis, where she was pronounced dead Sunday.
The case is still under investigation and authorities have not filed charges.
"We are talking to the district attorney," Cantrell said.



https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/19/us/boy-shot-sister-over-video-game-trnd/index.html

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30 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:54 am

Good holy grief.

But we need more guns in this country!! Let's just get more guns!!

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31 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:37 am

RealLindaL wrote:Good holy grief.  

But we need more guns in this country!!  Let's just get more guns!!  




BENGUNSI, BENGUNSI, BENGINZI! Crying or Very sad

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32 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:01 am

Here we go again.


Parkland teens reacted in horror to another school shooting — this time in St. Mary’s County, Maryland.

Many of the Florida students have become outspoken gun safety advocates after a gunman killed 17 of their classmates and teachers Feb. 14 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, and they renewed their call for legislative action after a shooting Tuesday morning at Great Mills High School.



https://www.rawstory.com/2018/03/hands-parkland-teens-call-lawmakers-maryland-school-shooting/

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33 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:25 pm

Maryland high school shooting: Two students injured, suspected gunman dead after incident at Great Mills High School


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/k-12/bs-md-st-marys-shooting-20180320-story.html

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34 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:09 am

4 killed at Tennessee Waffle House as police search for seminude suspect


(CNN)Nashville police are asking residents to lock their doors and stay alert after a seminude gunman killed four people at an area Waffle House.

"Keep your doors locked, keep your eyes open. If you see this individual -- if you see a nude guy walking around this morning -- call the police department immediately," Metro Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron said.



https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/22/us/tennessee-waffle-house-shooting/index.html


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35 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:25 pm

Obviously another seriously mentally ill person --- and reportedly armed with an ASSAULT WEAPON, which should never have been allowed to enter the general market.

"When will they ever learn?"

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36 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:33 pm

"The carnage stopped only because of the heroics of a customer who heard the gunshots and hid near the restaurant's bathrooms.

Police said the customer monitored the gunman's moves from afar and jumped into action when he saw an opportunity.

"He saw the gunman looking at his rifle. At that point, the shots had stopped. So he decided to rush the gunman, actually wrestled that assault rifle away, tossed it over the counter. At that point, the gunman then fled," Aaron said."

Too bad a that no citizen was legally carrying a concealed gun.

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37 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:22 pm

RealLindaL wrote:Obviously another seriously mentally ill person --- and reportedly armed with an ASSAULT WEAPON, which should never have been allowed to enter the general market.

"When will they ever learn?"



Maybe when the brains of their own loved ones are splattered over halls and walls but I doubt even then. To the blood drinking NRA scum there is always some excuse for guns and lust for death.

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38 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:38 pm

Speaking of "Never Forget, Never Again" ... where has the ACLU (and the MSM) been all this time on this one?   I guess they should have made sure there was an African American riding club in attendance?

Over 150 people arrested en masse using boilerplate arrest warrants with no individualized probable cause; blanket million dollar bonds for each & every; only one trial in three years (and that one ended up in  a mistrial) despite dozens of speedy-trial requests from defendants; etc etc

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/judges-summon-twin-peaks-bikers-for-case-updates/article_e30fadb8-016f-55e7-8da7-acd04b6f5a09.html

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39 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:30 pm

I wonder how many were already felons prohibited from possessing a gun? Much less carrying it in public.

Probably got them from holder and Obama.

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40 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:10 pm

PkrBum wrote:Too bad a that no citizen was legally carrying a concealed gun.

TOO BAD THE ASSAULT WEAPON WAS AVAILABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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41 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:34 pm

RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Too bad a that no citizen was legally carrying a concealed gun.

TOO BAD THE ASSAULT WEAPON WAS AVAILABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

An "assault weapon" isn't legal for the average citizen... even tho y'all are trying to "newspeak" the meaning.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/22/waffle-house-shooting-suspect-previously-arrested-outside-white-house/540394002/

NASHVILLE — "The 29-year-old Illinois man accused of carrying out a fatal shooting Sunday morning at a Tennessee Waffle House previously had weapons removed from his possession after a 2017 arrest near the White House."

Why does your nanny state keep failing you? Not enough laws? Gun free zone signs not big enough?

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42 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:25 am

PkrBum wrote:I wonder how many were already felons prohibited from possessing a gun? Much less carrying it in public.

Probably got them from holder and Obama.

None. You obviously don't know much about this event. 'But that's understandable ... the whole nation doesn't really.

The vast of the majority of the people that got locked up & jammed up in this were middle-class mom&pop club people who nothing to do with the brawl in the parking lot. Blue collar and small business owners with families. This was a regularly scheduled State motorcycle association meeting ... the Council of Clubs. Only about twenty five or so or so of those there were with 1% three patch clubs.

Good thing it wasnt' something like the regularly scheduled meeting of African-American riding clubs .... it'd have been national news 24/7/365 and protests in the streets.

You should read up on it if you're a fan of our Constitutionally protected rights and liberties ... and not a fan of corrupt public officials and their good-ole-boy political networks..

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43 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:46 am

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PkrBum wrote:I wonder how many were already felons prohibited from possessing a gun? Much less carrying it in public.

Probably got them from holder and Obama.

None.   You obviously don't know much about this event.  'But that's understandable ... the whole nation doesn't really.

The vast of the majority of the people that got locked up & jammed up in this were middle-class mom&pop club people who nothing to do with the brawl in the parking lot.   Blue collar and small business owners with families.   This was a regularly scheduled State motorcycle association meeting ... the Council of Clubs.   Only about twenty five or so or so of those there were with 1% three patch clubs.

Good thing it wasnt' something like the regularly scheduled meeting of African-American riding clubs .... it'd have been national news 24/7/365 and protests in the streets.

You should read up on it if you're a fan of our Constitutionally protected rights and liberties ... and not a fan of corrupt public officials and their good-ole-boy political networks..

Wrong... there were hundreds of weapons confiscated after the melee and numerous felons in possession.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/vehicle-forfeiture-documents-reveal-new-details-about-deadly-biker-shootout/article_0491c81d-7009-52f1-9120-d9cb08b1609e.html

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44 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:06 am

PkrBum wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:
PkrBum wrote:I wonder how many were already felons prohibited from possessing a gun? Much less carrying it in public.

Probably got them from holder and Obama.

None.   You obviously don't know much about this event.  'But that's understandable ... the whole nation doesn't really.

The vast of the majority of the people that got locked up & jammed up in this were middle-class mom&pop club people who nothing to do with the brawl in the parking lot.   Blue collar and small business owners with families.   This was a regularly scheduled State motorcycle association meeting ... the Council of Clubs.   Only about twenty five or so or so of those there were with 1% three patch clubs.

Good thing it wasnt' something like the regularly scheduled meeting of African-American riding clubs .... it'd have been national news 24/7/365 and protests in the streets.

You should read up on it if you're a fan of our Constitutionally protected rights and liberties ... and not a fan of corrupt public officials and their good-ole-boy political networks..

Wrong... there were hundreds of weapons confiscated after the melee and numerous felons in possession.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/vehicle-forfeiture-documents-reveal-new-details-about-deadly-biker-shootout/article_0491c81d-7009-52f1-9120-d9cb08b1609e.html

Oh, wow, Pkr !!!   So they siezed hundreds of "weapons", huh?   So how come nobody was charged with a weapons violation?

Police in Waco, Texas, have sharply revised downward the number of weapons seized after a deadly brawl in a shopping center parking lot that left nine people dead, 18 wounded and at least 177 facing criminal charges of engaging in an organized criminal activity.

Police said earlier this week they expected to recover 1,000 weapons, but now put the number at about 320.

That number has since been revised further downward.  And many of those "weapons" were not firearms ... rather things like pocket kinves, wallet chains, etc (do you ever carry a folding knife around in your pocket 'pkr' ?
I do. And I have a short aluminum baseball bat that stay under the rear seat of my pickup all the time. And I always have various tools in my saddlebags (when I have 'em on) and tools in my truck that could be used as a weapon. And I occasionally even concealed carry when I ride if it's a longer trip.
  Did you know many (not all) of the Twin Peaks firearms seizures actually came from vehicles in the parking lot? (this particular bar and grill was legal for concealed carry, btw)

http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/18/what-really-happened-in-the-waco-motorcy

The constant harping on weapons found on the scene is clearly part of a public relations campaign to make citizens think that any amount of police firepower on the crowd of bikers was justified. But even after taking into account that law enforcement is counting things like pocket knives and wallet chains as weapons, the police have done nothing so far to prove publicly that possessing even the more potent weapons was a crime, or that those arrested were seen brandishing or using them.

Some members of the Bandidos and the upstart 1% Cossacks got into it in the parking lot right outside the restaurant.   There were only 25 or so of them.  Everybody else belonged to various mom & pop clubs and mostly sitting inside the restaurant or milling around outside .... got arrested too.  The vast majority of these people  were essentially arrested for wearing motorcycle jackets or t-shirts.  

Do you even know what these 170 or so people were actually charged with "Pkr" ????  .... not even one weapons violation so far as I've heard.   They were all charged with a catch-all conspiracy type charge called "Engaging in Organized Criminal Activity" and everybody got a 1-million dollar bond ... even if they were just members of some mom & pop club unrelated to the parking lot fight & were just sitting in there enjoying their wings and a pitcher of beer. waiting for the CofC meeting to start.   

It's been three years now .. they dismissed charges on multiple defendants out-of-hand, after a one, two, and even longer delay on some of them.   And they've only managed to put on one trial (a mistrial) in nearly three years ... despite numerous speedy-trial requests by defendants.

City of Waco and McClennan County (abetted by some in the State of Texas) are dragging this out as long as they can  because they have since become aware of how many millions they are going to be sued for when this is all over.   And the (now former) DA Reyna .... crooked as a snake .... look him up.

Bottom line is ... 170+ people got arrested for being in the vicinity of a parking lot brawl between a couple of dozen people at a regularly scheduled motorcycle association meeting ... and all charged with a catch-all charge of felony "Engaging in Organized Criminal Activity" with zero individualized probable cause outlining what each person was supposed to have individually done.   Then they were  given blanket million dollar bonds by a local Justice of the Peace.  Then held for months and months and months awaiting the authorities to sort it all out .... many of them losing their livelihoods during that time and having to pay the costs of defense, electronic ankle monitoring, etc etc.   And in three years they haven't convicted anybody (and nobody's plead-out) delaying the trials despite numerous speedy-trial motions by defense attorneys.  

Try this out for a parallel, Pkr.    Supposing there was some Black Lives Matter or some other such liberal protest event going on ... an event with proper permits ...  and a few Antifa or other radical groups show up & start causing some havoc on the fringes of the event ... say in a nearby parking lot.    How would this have gone down if police came in and arrested everybody at he event with dark skin (wearing motorcycle related gear in the case of Waco incident ... that was the criteria for who would be arrested)     Do you lock up everybody at the event who happens to have dark skin?  What if the local DA shows up at the scene after the fact and starts directing police which restaurant patrons to arrest and which not to?   Then suppose everybody's arrest warrant reads exactly the same and none of them list anything specific the individual is suppose to have done.    Then they haul them down to a local Justice of the Peace who lays million dollar bonds on each and every one regardless of individual circumstances.  How would that go down in the media and courts in this country do you think?    

Or how about this, a pro-2nd Amendment event at a restaurant with various groups attending to coordinate their political strategy  ...  there's an altercation and shooting in the parking lot & police come in and  arrest people based upon what symbols of group affiliation they have on their clothing ... say, an NRA pin.   It's like arresting everyone at a football team wearing fan gear because a few fans got in a brawl underneath the stands.

I'm not saying there were zero bad actors at the Twin Peaks event ... there were a dozen or two .... but the vast majority of those arrested were perfectly innocent of doing anything wrong and not members of any 1% MC.

(I'm kind of writing on the fly here this morning as I'm out of town and have some things to do .... otherwise I would explain more about this legal travesty. But I suggest you do your own research on it.   My legal prediction is there's gonna be a bunch of rich bikers before this is all said and done.   On the one hand I hope so for many of them, but at the same time I hope the property taxes on my Waco house don't go up when the City of Waco and/or McClennan County go bankrupt.    From the time I've spent out there since I bought that house, the place ain't nicknamed Whacko, TX for nothing.   I still look around town hoping to see "The Nuge" when I'm out there ... haven't seen him yet.  He's got a house in town and a ranch about 10 miles out of Waco)

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45 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:25 am

You seem to think that I'm defending the mass abuse of power via govt. I'm not.

My point all along has been the possession and use of guns illegally. That's it.

If not for that fact there would've only been peaceable assembly.

Instead of sweeping gun controls why not focus on the real problem? The vast majority of gun crime takes place in known areas by people already prohibited from possessing a weapon. Then of course... we have the bureaucratic incompetence that fails to enforce or even recognize wingnuts. See: the waffle house and Florida shooter and many others. So the govt fails and the answer is more laws and more authority. It's not logical... it leads to abuse.

And I haven't even started on all of the seazure and confiscation... obscene.

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46 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:42 am

According to the Post, after an FBI investigation, state and local officials in Illinois confiscated four weapons he owned and revoked his firearm license. Reinking volunteered to give up his guns, police said. But when the authorities arrived to confiscate the weapons, Reinking’s father was there and asked to keep the weapons, according to the Post. After he showed them his firearms license and assured them he would keep the weapons from his son, the police agreed to let him keep them. Later, the father acknowledged he returned the guns to his son. One of those guns was the AR-15 Reinking allegedly used in the shooting.

In the fall, Reinking moved to the Nashville area and started working in construction. Police said that around three weeks ago he was fired from a job, but he started another on April 16. He had not shown up for work since then.

Police said they believe he may have a pistol that is missing from his apartment.



https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/what-we-know-waffle-house-shooting-suspect-travis-reinking.html

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47 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:49 am

EmeraldGhost wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:
PkrBum wrote:I wonder how many were already felons prohibited from possessing a gun? Much less carrying it in public.

Probably got them from holder and Obama.

None.   You obviously don't know much about this event.  'But that's understandable ... the whole nation doesn't really.

The vast of the majority of the people that got locked up & jammed up in this were middle-class mom&pop club people who nothing to do with the brawl in the parking lot.   Blue collar and small business owners with families.   This was a regularly scheduled State motorcycle association meeting ... the Council of Clubs.   Only about twenty five or so or so of those there were with 1% three patch clubs.

Good thing it wasnt' something like the regularly scheduled meeting of African-American riding clubs .... it'd have been national news 24/7/365 and protests in the streets.

You should read up on it if you're a fan of our Constitutionally protected rights and liberties ... and not a fan of corrupt public officials and their good-ole-boy political networks..

Wrong... there were hundreds of weapons confiscated after the melee and numerous felons in possession.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/vehicle-forfeiture-documents-reveal-new-details-about-deadly-biker-shootout/article_0491c81d-7009-52f1-9120-d9cb08b1609e.html

Oh, wow, Pkr !!!   So they siezed hundreds of "weapons", huh?   So how come nobody was charged with a weapons violation?

Police in Waco, Texas, have sharply revised downward the number of weapons seized after a deadly brawl in a shopping center parking lot that left nine people dead, 18 wounded and at least 177 facing criminal charges of engaging in an organized criminal activity.

Police said earlier this week they expected to recover 1,000 weapons, but now put the number at about 320.

That number has since been revised further downward.  And many of those "weapons" were not firearms ... rather things like pocket kinves, wallet chains, etc (do you ever carry a folding knife around in your pocket 'pkr' ?  
I do.   And I have a short aluminum baseball bat that stay under the rear seat of my pickup all the time.   And I always have various tools in my saddlebags (when I have 'em on) and tools in my truck that could be used as a weapon.   And I occasionally even concealed carry when I ride if it's a longer trip.
  Did you know many (not all) of the Twin Peaks firearms seizures actually came from vehicles in the parking lot?  (this particular bar and grill was legal for concealed carry, btw)

http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/18/what-really-happened-in-the-waco-motorcy

The constant harping on weapons found on the scene is clearly part of a public relations campaign to make citizens think that any amount of police firepower on the crowd of bikers was justified. But even after taking into account that law enforcement is counting things like pocket knives and wallet chains as weapons, the police have done nothing so far to prove publicly that possessing even the more potent weapons was a crime, or that those arrested were seen brandishing or using them.

Some members of the Bandidos and the upstart 1% Cossacks got into it in the parking lot right outside the restaurant.   There were only 25 or so of them.  Everybody else belonged to various mom & pop clubs and mostly sitting inside the restaurant or milling around outside .... got arrested too.  The vast majority of these people  were essentially arrested for wearing motorcycle jackets or t-shirts.  

Do you even know what these 170 or so people were actually charged with "Pkr" ????  .... not even one weapons violation so far as I've heard.   They were all charged with a catch-all conspiracy type charge called "Engaging in Organized Criminal Activity" and everybody got a 1-million dollar bond ... even if they were just members of some mom & pop club unrelated to the parking lot fight & were just sitting in there enjoying their wings and a pitcher of beer. waiting for the CofC meeting to start.   

It's been three years now .. they dismissed charges on multiple defendants out-of-hand, after a one, two, and even longer delay on some of them.   And they've only managed to put on one trial (a mistrial) in nearly three years ... despite numerous speedy-trial requests by defendants.

City of Waco and McClennan County (abetted by some in the State of Texas) are dragging this out as long as they can  because they have since become aware of how many millions they are going to be sued for when this is all over.   And the (now former) DA Reyna .... crooked as a snake .... look him up.

Bottom line is ... 170+ people got arrested for being in the vicinity of a parking lot brawl between a couple of dozen people at a regularly scheduled motorcycle association meeting ... and all charged with a catch-all charge of felony "Engaging in Organized Criminal Activity" with zero individualized probable cause outlining what each person was supposed to have individually done.   Then they were  given blanket million dollar bonds by a local Justice of the Peace.  Then held for months and months and months awaiting the authorities to sort it all out .... many of them losing their livelihoods during that time and having to pay the costs of defense, electronic ankle monitoring, etc etc.   And in three years they haven't convicted anybody (and nobody's plead-out) delaying the trials despite numerous speedy-trial motions by defense attorneys.  

Try this out for a parallel, Pkr.    Supposing there was some Black Lives Matter or some other such liberal protest event going on ... an event with proper permits ...  and a few Antifa or other radical groups show up & start causing some havoc on the fringes of the event ... say in a nearby parking lot.    How would this have gone down if police came in and arrested everybody at he event with dark skin (wearing motorcycle related gear in the case of Waco incident ... that was the criteria for who would be arrested)     Do you lock up everybody at the event who happens to have dark skin?  What if the local DA shows up at the scene after the fact and starts directing police which restaurant patrons to arrest and which not to?   Then suppose everybody's arrest warrant reads exactly the same and none of them list anything specific the individual is suppose to have done.    Then they haul them down to a local Justice of the Peace who lays million dollar bonds on each and every one regardless of individual circumstances.  How would that go down in the media and courts in this country do you think?    

Or how about this, a pro-2nd Amendment event at a restaurant with various groups attending to coordinate their political strategy  ...  there's an altercation and shooting in the parking lot & police come in and  arrest people based upon what symbols of group affiliation they have on their clothing ... say, an NRA pin.   It's like arresting everyone at a football team wearing fan gear because a few fans got in a brawl underneath the stands.

I'm not saying there were zero bad actors at the Twin Peaks event ... there were a dozen or two .... but the vast majority of those arrested were perfectly innocent of doing anything wrong and not members of any 1% MC.

(I'm kind of writing on the fly here this morning as I'm out of town and have some things to do .... otherwise I would explain more about this legal travesty. But I suggest you do your own research on it.   My legal prediction is there's gonna be a bunch of rich bikers before this is all said and done.   On the one hand I hope so for many of them, but at the same time I hope the property taxes on my Waco house don't go up when the City of Waco and/or McClennan County go bankrupt.    From the time I've spent out there since I bought that house, the place ain't nicknamed Whacko, TX for nothing.   I still look around town hoping to see "The Nuge" when I'm out there ... haven't seen him yet.  He's got a house in town and a ranch about 10 miles out of Waco)

I passed through there many times when I lived in Texas. We always called it "Wacawaca". Maybe Nugent is one of the reasons. All I remember is the great Mexican restaurant on the highway.

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48 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:07 pm

Forgot to mention about the Waco incident .... a couple of weeks after they had these 170+ people locked up in jail on million dollar bonds for "Engaging in Organized Criminal Activity" ... they went around the jailhouse offering the defendants reduced bonds in return for signing a document not to sue.  None signed.   Bond reduction hearings took many months to schedule and hold ... in the meantime most of them sat in jail before getting their bonds reduced to an appropriate amount.

Justice of the Peace W.H. "Pete Peterson" (a former State Police sergeant with an associates degree in Criminal Justice he obtained in the 1970"s and  with zero training as a lawyer) in setting the bonds all at a million dollars stated the purpose of such high bonds was to "send a message."   "Sending a message" is not the purpose of setting the amount of a bond.  If one knows the ins and outs of how & why bonds are set .... "sending a message" is decidedly not supposed to be a factor.   The purpose of a bond is to ensure one's appearance at future proceedings ... not to "send a message" or punish a defendant.

You'll notice also ... almost three years later ... none have been convicted, and none have signed plea agreements.   Yet it still going on.   They've managed to hold exactly one trial since this thing occurred and that ended up in a mistrial.  They even chose the President of the Dallas Bandidos chapter who was actively involved, on video, for the first trial and couldn't even convict him.  He's claiming self-defense ... that he was attacked by one of the Cossacks and was just defending himself..   Now if you can't convict a man who was in the middle of a bikg ier fight and who also happens to be the President of the outlaw Bandidos MC, what does that say about the prospects of convicting the others?

Truth is .... most who were aggressors in this melee were shot.  About half by other bikers and about half by police.   Nine dead as I recall.

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49 Re: Never Forget and Never Again on Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:28 am

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Truth is ....  most who were aggressors in this melee were shot.  About half by other bikers and about half by police.   Nine dead as I recall.


Excellent point backed up by solid empirical facts. Rolling Eyes

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