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226Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/3/2019, 9:08 pm

Deus X

Deus X

227Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/4/2019, 12:42 am

RealLindaL


bigdog wrote:Good God. You want to make an argument out of anything. 

And I'm sure you haven't just noticed this, as most of the rest of us doubtless have.

Plays right into Russian hands.

228Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/4/2019, 12:45 am

RealLindaL


bigdog wrote:he hates the Republicans too, because they are corporatists and therefore are in favor of immigration too.

Say what?

For cheap labor, I presume he means.

229Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/4/2019, 1:15 am

Telstar

Telstar

230Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/4/2019, 1:22 am

RealLindaL


bigdog wrote:In his manifesto the guy says he doesn't want immigration into Texas because he's afraid that Texas would become a strong Democratic stronghold if enough people come in from Mexico.  He also says he had these ideas long before Trump


Maybe, but Trump and company made it OK for these creatures to come out from the dark places where they'd been hiding.

231Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/4/2019, 2:36 am

Telstar

Telstar
RealLindaL wrote:
bigdog wrote:In his manifesto the guy says he doesn't want immigration into Texas because he's afraid that Texas would become a strong Democratic stronghold if enough people come in from Mexico.  He also says he had these ideas long before Trump

Maybe, but Trump and company made it OK for these creatures to come out from the dark places where they'd been hiding.




More innocent American blood on the hands of Trump, the GOP and the National Russian Army.

232Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/4/2019, 8:34 am

Sal

Sal
trump-apologist wrote:He also says he had these ideas long before Trump, and that he hates the Republicans too, because they are corporatists and therefore are in favor of immigration too.

233Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/4/2019, 8:45 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Another mass shooting in Dayton:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/3/1876538/-Mass-Shooting-in-Dayton-OH-Tonight

234Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/4/2019, 5:16 pm

Telstar

Telstar
Floridatexan wrote:
Another mass shooting in Dayton:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/3/1876538/-Mass-Shooting-in-Dayton-OH-Tonight






235Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/4/2019, 10:07 pm

Telstar

Telstar
The Dayton shooter was armed with a mask, bulletproof vest and hearing protection, police chief said


A gunman who wore a mask, bulletproof vest and hearing protection was killed by police within 30 seconds of opening fire on Sunday in a popular nightlife district in downtown Dayton, Ohio, authorities said.

Police Chief Richard Biehl released a timeline of the early-morning shooting that left nine people dead, including the gunman's sister.
Biehl said the shooter opened fire with a .223-caliber high-capacity rifle with 100-round drum magazines. Officers patrolling the Oregon District as the bars were closing shortly after 1 a.m. heard the gunfire and saw a large crowd running away, the police chief said.



https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/dayton-ohio-active-shooter/index.html

236Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/5/2019, 12:13 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
Floridatexan wrote:
Another mass shooting in Dayton:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/3/1876538/-Mass-Shooting-in-Dayton-OH-Tonight

Of course his political beliefs get no main stream media attention.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/

237Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/5/2019, 12:37 pm

Telstar

Telstar
PkrBum wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Another mass shooting in Dayton:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/3/1876538/-Mass-Shooting-in-Dayton-OH-Tonight

Of course his political beliefs get no main stream media attention.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/




So I guess that makes it all better for drug abusing tennis queens. Twisted Evil

238Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/5/2019, 1:21 pm

zsomething


When "leftist" leaders start trying to stir their base into xenophobia and violence -- instead of doing the exact opposite -- then people can try to turn the political beliefs of criminals into something relevant.

Until that happens, they can shut their simpering pill-holes and keep praising themselves for being able to sit up for two hours power-lifting cards while they try to start fist-fights on the internet.

Meanwhile, Trump dodges his own culpability and shows he truly doesn't give a fuck about the shootings by not even bothering to get the name of the town where the killing happened correct. "Toledo." Sheesh.

239Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/5/2019, 1:38 pm

Telstar

Telstar
zsomething wrote:When "leftist" leaders start trying to stir their base into xenophobia and violence -- instead of doing the exact opposite -- then people can try to turn the political beliefs of criminals into something relevant.

Until that happens, they can shut their simpering pill-holes and keep praising themselves for being able to sit up for two hours power-lifting cards while they try to start fist-fights on the internet.

Meanwhile, Trump dodges his own culpability and shows he truly doesn't give a fuck about the shootings by not even bothering to get the name of the town where the killing happened correct.   "Toledo."  Sheesh.





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240Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/5/2019, 1:50 pm

bigdog


In all honesty, what both of these shooters have in common is that they are young, they love and have a knowledge of guns, and neither of them are moderates. One is an insane far right white nationalist and the other is a leftist who disdains everything moderate. The Dayton shooter's most popular post was:

"Millennials have a message for the Joe Biden generation: "Hurry Up and Die."
Connor Betts

Insane people tend to have extreme political views.
Right wingers just have a cheerleader right now to inspire them and I can't think of any liberal leaders who fit into that category right now. Maybe in the past but not right now.

We really don't know if Connor Betts political views were relevant to the shooting in Dayton though, since he didn't leave a political message like the El Paso shooter. From some of his high school classmates, it just seems like he may have been a violent nutcase even back then.
There's no doubt the El Paso shooting was political.

Just trying to put a little honesty into the discussion.

241Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/5/2019, 1:57 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
"In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy."

242Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/5/2019, 2:05 pm

Telstar

Telstar
PkrBum wrote:"In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy."



243Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/5/2019, 2:58 pm

Sal

Sal
PkrBum wrote:"In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy."

Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Captur21

"Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart and devours the soul."

244Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/5/2019, 3:09 pm

Telstar

Telstar
Sal wrote:
PkrBum wrote:"In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy."

Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Captur21

"Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart and devours the soul."




And it could have killed the Central Park 5.

245Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/6/2019, 8:08 pm

Telstar

Telstar

246Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/6/2019, 8:42 pm

PkrBum

PkrBum
Sal wrote:
PkrBum wrote:"In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy."

"Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart and devours the soul."

It's impressive how much you can ignore to parrot the leftist narrative.

I never thght that useful idiot would be a virtue signal... but there you are.

247Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/6/2019, 8:48 pm

Telstar

Telstar
PkrBum wrote:
Sal wrote:
PkrBum wrote:"In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy."

"Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart and devours the soul."

It's impressive how much you can ignore to parrot the leftist narrative.

I never thght that useful idiot would be a virtue signal... but there you are.



Abusing drugs does all that too. Rolling Eyes

248Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 8/6/2019, 9:02 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan
PkrBum wrote:
Sal wrote:
PkrBum wrote:"In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy."

"Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart and devours the soul."

It's impressive how much you can ignore to parrot the leftist narrative.

I never thght that useful idiot would be a virtue signal... but there you are.

Same useless bull over and over again. You need new material. How do you stand yourself?

249Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 9/18/2019, 4:37 pm

Telstar

Telstar
A special Back to School warning from Sandy Hook Promise. Brings us back to the very first post on this thread back in Dec 2017. The last two examples are heartbreaking. Pray for your own children, you know the republicans won't.



250Never Forget and Never Again - Page 10 Empty Re: Never Forget and Never Again on 9/27/2019, 12:08 pm

zsomething


I hate to pile on while conservatives are already having a lousy day, but... naaaaaah, actually I love piling on, after all they're putting the country through. Here goes:

https://www.wgbh.org/news/national-news/2019/09/27/nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016-new-senate-report-reveals

The National Rifle Association acted as a "foreign asset" for Russia in the period leading up to the 2016 election, according to a new investigation unveiled Friday by Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon.

Drawing on contemporaneous emails and private interviews, an 18-month probe by the Senate Finance Committee's Democratic staff found that the NRA underwrote political access for Russian nationals Maria Butina and Alexander Torshin more than previously known — even though the two had declared their ties to the Kremlin.

The report, available here, also describes how closely the gun rights group was involved with organizing a 2015 visit by some of its leaders to Moscow.

Then-NRA vice president Pete Brownell, who would later become NRA president, was enticed to visit Russia with the promise of personal business opportunities — and the NRA covered a portion of the trip's costs.

The conclusions of the Senate investigation could have legal implications for the NRA, Wyden says.

Tax-exempt organizations are barred from using funds for the personal benefit of its officials, or for actions significantly outside their stated missions. The revelations in the Senate report raise questions about whether the NRA could face civil penalties or the loss of its tax-exempt status.

Attorneys general in the state of New York and the District of Columbia are also conducting separate probes into alleged wrongdoing at the gun rights organization. These probes have a broader scope than the Senate report, which focuses on Russia.

Kremlin links were clear

The 77-page Senate report centers on Butina — a convicted Russian agent now in federal prison — and Torshin, a former Russian government official who is now sanctioned by the United States.

The report indicates that top NRA officials were aware of Butina and Torshin's links with the Kremlin even as they sought to work more closely together under the banner of gun rights.

In an email later circulated to two senior NRA staff members, Butina wrote that a purpose of the 2015 Moscow trip was that "many powerful figures in the Kremlin are counting on Torshin to prove his American connections" by showing he could bring prominent NRA officials to Russia.

At another point, Butina suggested to participants on the 2015 NRA trip to Russia that she might be able to set up a meeting between them and President Vladimir Putin, referring to him as "Russia's highest leader."

NRA facilitated political access

Despite these declarations about their ties to the Russian government, NRA officials paid for and facilitated Torshin and Butina's introduction into American political organizations.

Butina and Torshin received access to Republican party officials at NRA events.

It was a explicit interest expressed by Butina: in one 2015 email to an NRA employee, Butina wrote, "is there a list of U.S. governors or members of Congress that might be present at some time during the [NRA] annual meeting?"

The employee responded with a list.

The NRA also helped them forge connections with other groups such as the Council for National Policy, the National Prayer Breakfast, the National Sporting Goods Wholesalers Association and Safari Club International.

And it continues. The NRA are some un-American treasonous scum, y'all. And they wouldn't dare to be if they didn't know that the party they're tied to was in the same bed.

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