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https://www.leafly.com/news/politics/surrender-your-guns-police-tell-hawaiian-medical-marijuana-patients wrote:The Honolulu Police Department has sent letters to local medical marijuana patients ordering them to “voluntarily surrender” their firearms because of their MMJ status.

The letters, signed by Honolulu Police Chief Susan Ballard, inform patients that they have 30 days upon receipt of the letter to transfer ownership or turn in their firearms and ammunition to the Honolulu Police.

The existence of the notices, first reported early today by Russ Belville at The Marijuana Agenda podcast, was confirmed to Leafly News this afternoon by the Honolulu Police Department.

The startling order comes just three months after the state’s first medical marijuana dispensary opened in Hawaii’s capital city.

Here is the full text of one of the letters:



The clash between state marijuana laws and federal firearms law—which prohibits all cannabis patients and consumers from purchasing firearms—is a growing point of legal contention in the 29 states with medical marijuana laws.

The Honolulu letters, however, may represent the first time a law enforcement agency has proactively sought out state-registered medical marijuana patients and ordered them to surrender their guns.

Federal law clearly prohibits anyone who consumes cannabis—for any reason, and regardless of state legality—from purchasing a firearm. On the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) Form 1140-0020, which must be completed by firearm purchasers, applicants are asked if they are “an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance.”

In case it’s unclear to the applicant, the ATF includes this warning in bold type:
Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.

Many state laws allow patients to medicate with cannabis, but the federal prohibition on cannabis consumption crosses that legality when it comes to firearms. The supremacy of federal law on this point was upheld last year by the 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals.

“It may be argued that medical marijuana users are less likely to commit violent crimes, as they often suffer from debilitating illnesses, for which marijuana may be an effective palliative,” the federal ruling stated. “But those hypotheses are not sufficient to overcome Congress’s reasonable conclusion that the use of such drugs raises the risk of irrational or unpredictable behavior with which gun use should not be associated.”

State Law Applies
The Honolulu Police Department cites state law, not federal law, as the basis for the order. “Under the provisions of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, Section 134-7(a), you are disqualified from firearms ownership,” says the letter.
Curiously, HRS 134-7(a) makes no specific mention of a person’s medical marijuana status. It’s a blanket statement about federal law:
134-7(a) No person who is a fugitive from justice or is a person prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition under federal law shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition therefor.

Until now, the clash between firearm ownership and patient status has been largely avoided through a de facto “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. Firearms purchasers are forced to either lie on the ATF form (a federal offense), or tell themselves they’re technically honest—the ATF form asks, “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana,” and those who quit cannabis yesterday technically were but no longer are unlawful users of marijuana.

A number of states issue medical cannabis patient cards or authorizations but do not keep a searchable database of patient names. In some medical cannabis states, like Arizona, firearm purchasers are not required to register with the state.

Hawaii, though, maintains an electronic database of both firearm purchasers, who must complete both the federal ATF and a state permit application, and medical marijuana patients. That allowed the Honolulu police to cross-check and compile a list of MMJ patients in the state’s firearms registry
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They can pound on sand. The medical pot is a miracle. I would suggest any person over the age of sixty five to get a prescription. The key is low THC and higher levels of the cbd. I use one to one gummies which I cut in half. It has no impact on my cognitive functions, and the relief from background and digestive pain has been amazing. My bone mets are hardly noticeable.

This is pure politics. Hawaii like Florida depends on Tourists. With medical pot and the growing recreational pot, people will go out to eat and will not buy hard liquor, and maybe have a little wine, but when I was healthy, my wife would have two tang and tonics with dinner, and I would have three over an hour meal which at my weight of 230 my bac never got over .08. Our bill just for the alcohol was often close to forty dollars. I would never slam down hard liquor again after discovering medical pot even if my liver was not compromised. So Big pharm, the restaurant associations, and the alcohol industry are trying to keep their expensive and dangerous monopoly.

The best part is with each day the stats are showing a huge societal benefit. I have written my congressman about the need to have hospitals as dispensary locations without banking restrictions, and other federal interference in a controlled hospital environment. People sent home without a bottle of opiates is a victory on the war on opiates. More people are dying from opiates and heroin than autos. It is time to tar and feather the bastards who pretend prohibition is about safety. It is about government picking winners.

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2seaoat wrote: ....   My bone mets are hardly noticeable.

If you don't mind my asking, do you get PET scans for bone mets? If so, how often?

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Fricking nazis

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That's really dumb. If it was recreational use, ehhhhh, debatable. Still dumb, since they don't take your guns for buying Jack Daniels, which is a far meaner-drunk than weed. I don't do any drugs or drink and am not a big fan of intoxicants-as-recreation, so I don't really have a dog in that fight, but I have, on occasion, had to put down a drunk who was trying to do me violence, and most of the people who've threatened to shoot me have been drinkers. The most harm potheads have done when they were toked up was bore me with ridiculous plans for starting small businesses. Weed's a mellow-outer, booze is a fuck-you-bring-me-somebody-to-hate-er. If I was gonna take somebody's guns over using a substance, I'd way-quicker go after the whiskey folks.

But medical marijuana? That's a prescribed thing. It's used under a doctor's monitoring. There are a lot of medicines that have some side effects, but they don't take your guns over 'em. It's ridiculous. Nobody should be penalized for being sick. Unless it's a mental illness where it's a public danger, but that's not the case here. Hawaii's way out of bounds on this one.

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PkrBum wrote:Fricking nazis


"I believe in a world where gay married couples are free to protect their marijuana fields with fully automatic machine guns." --- Austin Petersen  

"... and where we have a hybrid public/private sector single-payer Medicare-for-all health care delivery system somewhat like that of Australia."  --- EmeraldGhost


I was reading recently that marijuana is legal in North Korea and use of it actually quite common ... even within the military.   No sh*t, that's not just something from The Onion, it's true.   At the same time possession of porn will get ya executed over there!  I s'pose those poor people probably really need the weed just to keep from offing themselves as crazy weird and oppressive as that country is.

But back to US marijuana laws ... the problem I see in States that have fully legalized pot is that there will be a tendency toward increasing corporatization of the market.. and government increasingly protecting large-scale growers/retailers through burdensome licensing/regulatory schemes until the small growers/retailers will be mostly shut-out.   This is already happening in Colorado so I've read where small growers/retailers are increasingly being bought out by multi-million dollar outfits.  I envision the Walmart-ization of marijuana in the future for these States, and I guess that's not really bad for the consumer, per se .... but in another way it's also kind of sad I think.

For Chrisakes .... it's just a plant that gets people mildly intoxicated for a few hours, and to which one can't overdose and can't become physically addicted. If States are gonna legalize it I wish they'd just do it without all the regulatory hullabaloo.  I really think people should be able to sell it at stands by the side of the road like they do tomatoes ... so long as they are licensed, collect a reasonable State sales tax, and don't sell to under 18.    I think it would be interesting to see some State government structure their regulations to keep it small scale by limiting each licensee to growing/selling say ... 50 pounds a year max.   Make violation of sales tax, over-21, or production limits result in permanent lifetime revocation of license.  That way regular people could supplement their income by having a small grow on the side ... or even run a small business that could support a family. Yet nobody would be getting filthy rich off of it either. They could promote such legislation as being good for small family businesses and family farms.    That's what I'd do "if I were king of the forest!"







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I like all of that... good post.

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And in other marijuana news today ....

looks like Canada is all set to legalize recreational marijuana nationwide to be effective next summer or maybe sooner.  The entire numbers of billions of dollars the Canadian marijuana market will be worth is almost as big as that of California's marijuana market.    Constellation Brands, a US company which owns a half dozen or so beer, wine, and liquor brands sold in the US, is reportedly buying a 10% stake in Canada's largest marijuana company.  (I guess that doesn't violate US financial/banking laws for them to make money off legal pot in Canada ... only if they invest in legal US pot?)

Also ... Cory Gardner, Republican Senator from Colorado, was convinced by the leadership to not submit an amendment to the tax bill that would allow US marijuana producers in legal states to deduct/depreciate business expenses like equipment on their Federal income tax returns.  Apparently the leadership didn't think it a good idea for Republican Senators to be put on the spot by having to vote for or against the amendment.

Aint' it a crazy world we live in? Rolling Eyes




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Very interesting info about Canada legalizing Marijuana.
Taking our camper up to Jasper in Alberta next summer.

HMMMM........

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PkrBum wrote:I like all of that... good post.

I second that

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2seaoat wrote: It has no impact on my cognitive functions...

Bullshit! Your writing is improved 100%. You are actually able to compose complete sentences with subjects and verbs, with normal punctuation and shit.

If you'd been paying attention for the last fifty fucking years, you'd already know all this shit. Weed is the most benign intoxicant around and it's ubiquitous yet CONSERVATIVES like you have fought its legalization for decades. Now, all of a sudden, IT'S A MIRACLE DRUG!

Gimme a break!

P.S. It's "pound sand" not "pound ON sand". You gotta get out more and out of your privileged bubble.

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More "guns n' weed" news:  Apparently registered medical marijuana users in Pennsylvania are having some issues with guns.    

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/01/medical_marijuana_patients_mus.html wrote:As Pennsylvania prepares for a 2018 launch of its medical marijuana program, conflicts between the state law and federal regulations has raised one more thorny issue: whether people using medical marijuana can buy a gun.

The short answer is: They can't.

Because federal law does not recognize individual states' medical marijuana programs, people enrolled in those programs are, from a federal perspective "an 'unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance'; and, therefore, prohibited by federal law from the purchase or acquisition, possession or control of a firearm," according to the Pennsylvania State Police.

In fact, the firearms transaction form that buyers are required to complete specifies  that "the use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside."  

Further, the state police have said, the federal prohibition also means that registered patients forfeit their ability to possess, apply for, or renew a state license to carry firearms and makes it "unlawful for you to keep possession of any firearms which you owned or had in your possession prior to obtaining a Medical Marijuana Card."  ....

So ... if ya got a bottle full of prescription opiates, ssri's, ADD meds, or other such drugs in your pocket, you're good to go with buying/possessing a firearm?   But one doobie and you're  a dangerous person!



http://www.pennlive.com/news/2018/01/medical_marijuana_patients_mus.html wrote:....  The good news for gun owners in Pennsylvania who are enrolled in the medical marijuana program is that while they won't be able to purchase new firearms, it is unlikely that the state will begin a program to confiscate existing firearms. The Pennsylvania State Police are not considering enacting a program requiring people to turn in existing firearms or ordering them to do so. Nor has this occurred in other states with similar programs, Fox said.

You'll note it doesn't say they can't ... just that they aren't "considering" it ... at this time.








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I have had pet scans, but when locating bone mets with endocrine cancer they use octreotide scans which light up endocrine tumors.

Pound on sand. Pound sand. yep.

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2seaoat wrote:I have had pet scans, but when locating bone mets with endocrine cancer they use octreotide scans which light up endocrine tumors.


Well, I admit I have no clue as to what an "ocretotide" scan might be, but wife had a bone scan and some CT's done the past few days (end of the insurance year ... figured we'd get them done while we're still under catastrophic with no deductibles/co-pays)

Not sure how the PET scans figure in, she had one of those a few months ago. She's had bone mets only .... no organ involvement.

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A pet scan is superior to a regular dye cat scan as they use a sugar mixture which adheres to tumors better than the dye when identifying tumors. I have bone mets on my tail bone, spine at the shoulder blades, collar bone, and ribs. I am getting an injection for the same each month, and that with the medical pot has my tailbone feeling good enough to sit and play poker again.

I am sorry hearing about her bone mets. As they progress, I would suggest she sign up for the Florida medical pot. It has been effective on the bone met pain, but not so much on the liver pain. Bone mets sadly mean that the cancer has spread through the body. I hope she has a cancer they can treat.

I believe the injection is xgiva (sp), but I get it once a month and it is suppose to stop bone fractures once the cancer weakens the bone. My receptionist at the office broke her radius bone in her wrist opening a jar of pickles. She had bone mets all through her body with an ankle fracture, and a three inch lung tumor. Bone mets suck.

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EmeraldGhost wrote:.....
For Chrisakes .... it's just a plant that gets people mildly intoxicated for a few hours, and to which one can't overdose and can't become physically addicted. If States are gonna legalize it I wish they'd just do it without all the regulatory hullabaloo.  I really think people should be able to sell it at stands by the side of the road like they do tomatoes ... so long as they are licensed, collect a reasonable State sales tax, and don't sell to under 18.    I think it would be interesting to see some State government structure their regulations to keep it small scale by limiting each licensee to growing/selling say ... 50 pounds a year max.   Make violation of sales tax, over-21, or production limits result in permanent lifetime revocation of license.  That way regular people could supplement their income by having a small grow on the side ... or even run a small business that could support a family.  Yet nobody would be getting filthy rich off of it either. They could promote such legislation as being good for small family businesses and family farms.    That's what I'd do "if I were king of the forest!"


Link:
California pot dispensaries and consumers face sobering reality

Link:
California pot advocates say tax rates too high

California is doing it all wrong.  (and why am I not surprised?)

35% tax, complicated burdensome regulatory structure, more state/city/county agencies & bureaucrats, inoperable government computer system, backlogged applications, etc  

This is exactly what I was talking about in my previous post (above.)  I really don't think it should be regulated at all.  Okay ... maybe edibles to some small degree.  And as to sales tax, well, just regular sales tax should be fine IMO.

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